Saban on his QB getting paid...

[Gaimcock]

Mercy.

Ya know, just kinda thinking "outside the box" here, but it does appear as of the virus has killed a heckuva a lot more than a few million people on this planet.

The College Football League appears as if its within an initial embryo form inside its mother's womb (and I imagine the Canadians are already concerned in regards to our use of their brand's initials). The question is, who is this actual "mother"?? Its father's name is Greed, is its mother named Rapacious??

What a sometimes seemingly F'd up world we live in.

And of course, JMHOFWIW.

 

[TopHook]

You don't. You cap what the player receives and the rest flows over into a charity fund or something similar.

Non revenue sports.

 

[coolcock2001]

How about this. Create a professional minor league (where all the really talented players will go) and have a purely amateur, student-athlete competition in college (unlikely to see future NFL players). Would fans accept that? It's what needs to be done to "fix" the situation. I would watch two guys from Chemistry class try to tackle each other if it their helmet said Carolina, but many would not be nearly as interested if it wasn't a NFL minor league (in everything except player pay)

 

[Bad seed]

I think the real root of the complaint is that some, not all, are jealous because an 18 year old can make more off nothing but who he is in a year than they may make in a decade or a lifetime.

Not even close. Most against this fear it will simply turn college football recruiting into a bidding war. Y'all couldn't just leave well enough alone and let crooked boosters take care of this.

 

[GarnetBeamer]

I can see where I’m your definition that ends college football, but for the masses that may not the the case. I care to venture that most will keep donating and keep rocking along as long as their schools logo is on the helmet and jersey. You also only get to decide what college football means for you. And In that regard college football might end for you but not for everyone else.


No I don’t watch the nfl because I have no connection to the team. I will pull for college football as long as my school still has a team with its logo. I also will support that adventure.


I think the real root of the complaint is that some, not all, are jealous because an 18 year old can make more off nothing but who he is in a year than they may make in a decade or a lifetime.

You need to define "school still has a team with a logo." I take it that as long as there a team sporting our logo, you'll support them, even if none of the kids actually attend USC. Again, that's fine. It's just not college football.

 

[wbbesq]

This was inevitable, though, right?

While I'm not a huge proponent of the NCAA, they did serve some useful function. They at least on some level realized the necessity of preserving amateur status and the student-athlete role.

We haven't had "STUDENT" athletes in a very long time.

Likely 75% of all those playing Major College football would never have been admitted to their respective Colleges if they were NOT athletes.....

Lets not kid ourselves we have ever really had "student" athletes in likely the last 40 years plus.....that is just a term we used to kid ourselves about who we had actually admitted, and why they were admitted....and it wasn't to be a "student".

 

[bucketdad]

Lol if this destroys big name teams from within.

 

[GarnetBeamer]

How about this. Create a professional minor league (where all the really talented players will go) and have a purely amateur, student-athlete competition in college (unlikely to see future NFL players). Would fans accept that? It's what needs to be done to "fix" the situation. I would watch two guys from Chemistry class try to tackle each other if it their helmet said Carolina, but many would not be nearly as interested if it wasn't a NFL minor league (in everything except player pay)

The NFL could certainly start a developmental league like the NBA. I'd be fine with that.

 

[Bad seed]

How about this. Create a professional minor league (where all the really talented players will go) and have a purely amateur, student-athlete competition in college (unlikely to see future NFL players). Would fans accept that? It's what needs to be done to "fix" the situation. I would watch two guys from Chemistry class try to tackle each other if it their helmet said Carolina, but many would not be nearly as interested if it wasn't a NFL minor league (in everything except player pay)

I have said if before, and will again...that type of minor league football with a handful of teams would be financially viable and fun to watch.

 

[iohbird]

If I was King of college sports I would have a contract available after commitment to force an athlete to refuse NIL and play for scholarship only. If caught accepting NIL, you're off the team and pay the scholarship back. If you transfer before graduation, the scholarship would also have to be repaid. I would play other like-minded schools and let the professionals at the NIL schools play each other.

 

[GarnetBeamer]

Lol if this destroys big name teams from within.

destroy? it's only gonna make the Alabamas of the world into even bigger monsters than they are. this is the death of smaller and less relevant programs. G5 coaches are already lamenting what this will do to them.

 

[coolcock2001]

We haven't had "STUDENT" athletes in a very long time.

Likely 75% of all those playing Major College football would never have been admitted to their respective Colleges if they were NOT athletes.....

Lets not kid ourselves we have ever really had "student" athletes in likely the last 40 years plus.....that is just a term we used to kid ourselves about who we had actually admitted, and why they were admitted....and it wasn't to be a "student".

Admissions folks say every year that the university as a whole gets x number of "special admits" and most go to non-football players. Someone with more knowledge can unpack that further for you, but it's not as many football players needing help to get in as you would think

 

[iohbird]

Admissions folks say every year that the university as a whole gets x number of "special admits" and most go to non-football players. Someone with more knowledge can unpack that further for you, but it's not as many football players needing help to get in as you would think

I would certainly hope that more non-football students get these since there are over 8,000 admissions non-football compared to less than 100 football admits each year.

 

[Boom4life]

You need to define "school still has a team with a logo." I take it that as long as there a team sporting our logo, you'll support them, even if none of the kids actually attend USC. Again, that's fine. It's just not college football.

You don’t get to define what is and what isn’t college football. You can have the opinion that’s it’s not college football but as long as it’s called college football it’s just that.

 

[winloseortie]

This was inevitable, though, right?

While I'm not a huge proponent of the NCAA, they did serve some useful function. They at least on some level realized the necessity of preserving amateur status and the student-athlete role.

Hmmm......no.
They wanted all the money or as little as possible to the player. And in their greed they lost all control of the golden goose

 

[coolcock2001]

I would certainly hope that more non-football students get these since there are over 8,000 admissions non-football compared to less than 100 football admits each year.

My point stands. Football doesn't use as many special admits as many people think. This came up during Spurrier era when a couple guys he offered didn't get in, I remember.

(Yes, that was a sorry situation -- the university shouldn't put the coach in that position. He needs to know what will fly when he gives his word to someone they have an offer)

 

[GarnetBeamer]

Hmmm......no.
They wanted all the money or as little as possible to the player. And in their greed they lost all control of the golden goose

Well, you're right about the greed aspect. Everyone is greedy and culpable here. The NCAA, athletic departments, ESPN, coaches, and now players. If, along the way, SOMEONE could have shown some restraint, maybe the game could have been saved.

Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction.

 

[alaskagamecock]

destroy? it's only gonna make the Alabamas of the world into even bigger monsters than they are. this is the death of smaller and less relevant programs. G5 coaches are already lamenting what this will do to them.

Yep, the big boys of college football will be fielding a starting 22 soon with each starter making 6 figures, just watch. The best of the best will go to one of 4 schools or so where the deals are waiting and in place for them once they sign with that school.

 

[GarnetBeamer]

Yep, the big boys of college football will be fielding a starting 22 soon with each making 6 figures, just watch. The best if the best will go to one of 4-5 schools where the deals are waiting and in place for them.

And, they'll be able to concentrate that talent over time. Think of all the players at Bama who are really, really, really, really good, but not quite NFL caliber. Once college football is deregulated, there will likely be no limit on how long you can play. The NFL guys will move on and then Bama can have the pick of keeping the best of the rest to stay around a bit longer.

Oh, and with deregulation comes the following scenario: "Hey, Kid, you're tearing it up there at South Carolina, but you could making a lot more money here at Bama."

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Admissions folks say every year that the university as a whole gets x number of "special admits" and most go to non-football players. Someone with more knowledge can unpack that further for you, but it's not as many football players needing help to get in as you would think

I don't care about "special admits". I'm talking about competing with regular students to get into the university. The average is around a 1300 SAT. Once you get below 1120, very few get in. How many football players do you think have a 1120 SAT?

 

[DeBoer31]

They deserve to get paid, and I'm glad to see it.

That said -- gonna laugh like hell when one of Saban's players tells him "I'm taking it easy today, got a commercial shoot later"

which is exactly why college football will die.

 

[coolcock2001]

which is exactly why college football will die.

But it can rise again if we will still watch it without the NFL dudes!

 

[DeBoer31]

It should have been designed to let the kids choose: free education OR make money via NIL.

It's absolutely immoral that a kid making nearly 7 figures from NIL will also get a free college education to boot.

agree...and to me what is more immoral is that usually only about 5-6 out of all of college football should legit be paid based on their overwhelming skills and feats on the field.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned much that I've seen... is how will this affect ticket sales? People usually pay for tickets/jerseys and support their university and proxy the players by showing up in droves to Saturday games....but if someone chooses to support a player or two in particular via social media (or even support 20 from "your" team in some minor way) then they may decide to keep that money for season tickets, concessions, etc and watch it on TV.

 

[DeBoer31]

Do you say the same thing about geniuses that get free rides academically and create companies while in school. Plenty at mit do that.

This is the source of the problem. Apples to Oranges.
There are zero to one P5 football player considered freakish athletically and can match that with play on the field...maybe one per year.
If the MIT kid creates something....of course it's his to control and profit from. If a scholarship football player creates something in the same way....same result.
Scholly football players have created nothing. They're just spokes in a wheel....and like so many other things recently are ruining something that was once very beautiful to most. They haven't created anything. Aren't doing anything special. H#ll .....the fans should be paid back by this logic. Go ahead and set a reparations system up for all the tickets, jerseys, t shirts, etc that I've spent money on that the university made. It's not fair. Stomp foot.
The fans created college football what it is now....the fans, students, universities, media outlets and players. Might as well re-distribute some money back to media outlets, Sports Illustrated, Johnny Carson, Bob Hope, etc.

 

[alaskagamecock]

And, they'll be able to concentrate that talent over time. Think of all the players at Bama who are really, really, really, really good, but not quite NFL caliber. Once college football is deregulated, there will likely be no limit on how long you can play. The NFL guys will move on and then Bama can have the pick of keeping the best of the rest to stay around a bit longer.

Oh, and with deregulation comes the following scenario: "Hey, Kid, you're tearing it up there at South Carolina, but you could making a lot more money here at Bama."

You're exactly right, it's going to be impossible to break into the big boy circle once they get the full NIL structure in place.

 

[rogue cock]

This will happen and I’m ok with that.

You are okay with colleges losing all their federal funding, including the student's scholarships?

Somehow I doubt the colleges will accept that....they'd be more likely to cut football and men's basketball.

 

[MookieBlaylock9]

Just because we don't want the sport to change is not a reason to make it against the rules for a kid to sign autographs and make money. It's that simple. We'll see if there are any ways that this is regulated or monitored.

 

[CtownNat1ve]

The NCAA. The school. Anybody with money that wouldn't let them do what players are doing now.

sure. like all the guys locked up for dealing weed? lol.

 

[bucketdad]

destroy? it's only gonna make the Alabamas of the world into even bigger monsters than they are. this is the death of smaller and less relevant programs. G5 coaches are already lamenting what this will do to them.

I get that. I agree the bigs will get bigger. No what I am referring to is infighting within a team. It's not like most kids nowadays are taught to embrace the rich. I seriously doubt all of a sudden everything will be sunshine and rainbows between the haves and the have nots and everyone will be happy for the high earners reporting to work just like they do.

 

[Boom4life]

I get that. I agree the bigs will get bigger. No what I am referring to is infighting within a team. It's not like most kids nowadays are taught to embrace the rich. I seriously doubt all of a sudden everything will be sunshine and rainbows between the haves and the have nots and everyone will be happy for the high earners reporting to work just like they do.

In fighting is not going to be an issue. Kids are brought up receiving different amounts of attention. The star high school an gets all the attention and the lineman nothing. Same think in college football the heisman front runner gets all the talk and interviews. They are use to it. Several players have already been quoted as saying such.

 

[king ward]

You are okay with colleges losing all their federal funding, including the student's scholarships?

Somehow I doubt the colleges will accept that....they'd be more likely to cut football and men's basketball.

This would be on the table if certain eventualities manifest themselves. If it came to that, I wouldn't shed a tear, either.

 

[bucketdad]

In fighting is not going to be an issue. Kids are brought up receiving different amounts of attention. The star high school an gets all the attention and the lineman nothing. Same think in college football the heisman front runner gets all the talk and interviews. They are use to it. Several players have already been quoted as saying such.

Perhaps. We'll see. I dont know how it will play out. Saying it will be fine doesnt necessary mean it will be.
That's why my "lol" was followed by "if".

 

[rogue cock]

This would be on the table if certain eventualities manifest themselves. If it came to that, I wouldn't shed a tear, either.

It would happen under the circumstances that the two other posters were discussing.

 

[Boom4life]

You are okay with colleges losing all their federal funding, including the student's scholarships?

Somehow I doubt the colleges will accept that....they'd be more likely to cut football and men's basketball.

Without football in the two universities in this state none of the other sports exists. The money for those sports have to come from somewhere and none of them make money. I don’t see that changing in a different sports favor. If football goes down they all go down.

 

[rogue cock]

Without football in the two universities in this state none of the other sports exists. The money for those sports have to come from somewhere and none of them make money. I don’t see that changing in a different sports favor. If football goes down they all go down.

Really, Lots of colleges still have quite a few sports without football making a profit and many more even without a football team.

 

[king ward]

Really, Lots of colleges still have quite a few sports without football making a profit and many more even without a football team.

I would think those are primarily big endowment private schools which are happy to fund sports as part of the "college experience". However, they only do it because they can afford to do it and they can only afford to do it because their alumni and other donors agree with the philosophy - the alumni because they are products of that template.

 

[king ward]

We haven't had "STUDENT" athletes in a very long time.

Likely 75% of all those playing Major College football would never have been admitted to their respective Colleges if they were NOT athletes.....

Lets not kid ourselves we have ever really had "student" athletes in likely the last 40 years plus.....that is just a term we used to kid ourselves about who we had actually admitted, and why they were admitted....and it wasn't to be a "student".

I could be convinced if you would produce an authoritative matrix to confirm those assertions.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

destroy? it's only gonna make the Alabamas of the world into even bigger monsters than they are. this is the death of smaller and less relevant programs. G5 coaches are already lamenting what this will do to them.

This is going to receive serious pushback, but it is not that far a stretch to say we could fit in this category, regardless of conference affiliation.

 

[rogue cock]

I would think those are primarily big endowment private schools which are happy to fund sports as part of the "college experience". However, they only do it because they can afford to do it and they can only afford to do it because their alumni and other donors agree with the philosophy - the alumni because they are products of that template.

Not really. All of the Pioneer League schools, the Southern Conference schools, MAC schools, Sunbelt Conference schools, etc. I would guess most outside the Power 5 conferences don't make money or make very little. Outside of the FCS schools, I would doubt any make money off their sports overall.

 

[king ward]

Not really. All of the Pioneer League schools, the Southern Conference schools, MAC schools, Sunbelt Conference schools, etc. I would guess most outside the Power 5 conferences don't make money or make very little. Outside of the FCS schools, I would doubt any make money off their sports overall.

Well, that last statement is speculative. And "very little" or even breaking even would make a huge amount of difference because that would mean no depletion for sports elsewhere at a school. Evidently an appreciable number of schools field teams and pay for them somehow differently than the "big" sports schools in order to promote a certain collegiate culture, and I'm inclined to believe that most of them have no great interest in being highly competitive.