Seems like coaching rather than street ball. The professor is teaching in the laboratory.
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Coach didn't get where he is,without knowing the game. The thing that separates the bad from the mediocre from the good to the great is their level of ability to get kids to buy into what they teach and their ability to make adjustments on gameday. What we have will be determined by that. Anybody who remembers the Princeton teams from the 80's remembers what a nightmare they were to play in the tourney. Many a blue blood either lost or got all they could handle. Those Princeton players bought into what they were doing and ran it to perfection. Talent has a big role to play but you can have a good team without having a roster full of lottery picks.
Shot clock really blunted the effectiveness of some beautiful offense.
Shot clock is good idea. My father once told me that one of the ACC North Carolina schools would take the lead against South Carolina and would try to hold on to the ball the entire half. He said that halftime score would be something like 8-6.
Not arguing against the shot clock, but it really means that a team only has to bear down on defense for so long.
A shot clock is one thing as long as the time is not so short that nothing has time to develop.
My grandfather talked about that game when he was alive, said Dean Smith was a master of the 4 corners before I started watching
I can not remember which team he said it was, but it was one of the ACC schools from North Carolina. I was also under the impression that holding the ball for long periods of time against South Carolina had multiple times.
He also told me that South Carolina was playing at North Carolina State and one of the fans got into one of the South Carolina players face and the player punched the fan in the face. This ended up going to court and the court found the player not guilty.
Actually, most of them did that, even Clemson. Dean Smith was the worst though, with his 4 corners offense, designed not to score but just to hold the ball and run the clock.
Dean, not Fran. Spellcheck. Dean was amazing. He went to the 4 corners to win the game. When the shot clock was adopted, he adjusted and still won.
They scored a bunch off that offense, and drew a lot of fouls in the process. Phil Ford was lethal in that offense.
I have no idea how anyone enjoyed watching that offense.
I remember him telling me there was another game that the final score was either 4-2 or 6-4 because of the 4 corners
Untrue. The lowest scoring ACC game occurred in the 1968 conference tournament. UNC was not even a participant. NC State's 12–10 victory over Duke in the semifinals was the lowest-scoring game in ACC Tournament history.
I know what you said. That game was also the lowest scoring game in league history.
No, they didn't score "a bunch" out of that offense. It was not designed to score. It was designed to run clock. They didn't even use it unless they were ahead, except when it was a very close game and they wanted to run the the clock out at the end of the first half for the last shot much like is done today with the 30 second clock, only they would do it with a couple of minutes left. They couldn't run this offense if they were behind. If they were behind they needed to score points to catch up, not hold the ball. When they did score out of that offense it was usually after they had held the ball for a while and then someone got free for an open layup, but this was just to pad the lead. They didn't take a lot of chances on bad shots.
It was tactical. That they didn't run it when behind is obvious. It was designed to force trailing teams to play man to man with the floor spread in order to facilitate layups and/or fouls. Since you take issue with "a bunch", I'll say they scored frequently while in this offense. Because they were "running clock", the other team was forced to commit themselves to tighter defense, which led to scoring opportunities.
Yes, I think we are saying the same thing maybe from a little different angle. I can agree with that.
It was well-schemed. Where to go after passing the ball (Ford, usually) to get it back, how to balance the floor after backcuts, etc. I attended a 4-day clinic put on by Coach Smith and his staff about 40 years ago. Each day had one topic (Day 1 - T game, Day 2 - fast break, Day 3 - spread or 4 corners, Day 4 a scramble defense). The 2 hr morning session was in a classroom setting diagraming it all out and Q & A. The 2 hr early afternoon session was on the court with former players demonstrating the day’s topic, the 2 hour late afternoon session was in the video room showing cutouts. A week well spent.
It blew up on them in a big way the year they went to it too early vs. Marquette (Butch Lee and those - 1977) in the national championship game. It cost them that game. But it won them way more than it lost.
