Shawn Elliot - Give him the credit he deserves

[CompCock]

Shawn came to Carolina in early 2010. Since then the offensive production improved dramatically as did the wins. He was a major factor in that success. His OLines were productive, just remember we went up against SEC defenses. Stop the bad mouthing of the man, he wasn't the issue, Jr and his lack of attention to recruiting as well as Sr deserve a lot of the blame.
Year Rushing/ Passing/ Total Yards/ Points/
Game Game Game Game Wins Losses Bowl Comment
2015 154.7 207.5 362.2 21.9 3 9
2014 161.0 282.4 443.4 32.6 7 6 Independence - W Defense w/o Lawing
2013 198.5 253.8 452.3 34.1 11 2 Capital One - W
2012 138.5 238.1 376.6 31.5 11 2 Outback - W
2011 192.1 181.5 373.6 30.1 11 2 Capital One - W
2010 238.4 154.4 392.8 30.9 9 5 Peach - L Elliot Joins Staff
2009 226.2 121.2 347.4 20.6 7 6 Papa Johns - L
2008 94.1 222.5 316.6 20.8 7 6 Outback - L
2007 113.7 258.2 371.9 26.1 6 6
2006 144.3 250.7 395.0 26.6 8 5 Liberty - W
2005 95.2 220.8 316.0 23.7 7 5 Independence - L Spurrier Becomes HC
2004 168.7 200.2 368.9 22.1 6 5
2003 161.4 193.7 355.1 22.3 5 7
2002 167.0 151.8 318.8 18.8 5 7
2001 186.6 174.0 360.6 25.8 9 3 Outback - W
2000 157.0 210.9 367.9 23.6 8 4 Outback - W
1999 89.7 138.9 228.6 7.9 0 11 Holtz Becomes HC

 

[Mox94]

And how many rushing yards did we have against the Citadel?

 

[jonesz21]

Take away the Connor shaw running for his life yds

 

[TheReelEss]

Take away the Connor shaw running for his life yds

How many times since 2010 did someone besides a RB lead the rushing stats? How many times did we line up in a jumbo set along with a 350 lb tackle and get stuffed on 3rd or 4th and 1? We couldn't even run on Citadel if they knew it was coming.

 

[jonesz21]

How many times since 2010 did someone besides a RB lead the rushing stats? How many times did we line up in a jumbo set along with a 350 lb tackle and get stuffed on 3rd or 4th and 1? We couldn't even run on Citadel if they knew it was coming.

Elliott honestly wasnt good enough to coach at Clemson. Yes he was a great cheerleader. But we have enough of them and most look ten times better than Elliott lol

 

[Atlanta Cock]

I'm not an SE guy. I think he's a Southern Conference position coach. Just because he's a passionate, life-long Gamecock doesn't do a whole lot for me. I am too. I eat and sleep SC. Are y'all willing to pay me $1MM+ just because I love the Gamecocks?

 

[melvin08]

I'm not an SE guy. I think he's a Southern Conference position coach. Just because he's a passionate, life-long Gamecock doesn't do a whole lot for me. I am too. I eat and sleep SC. Are y'all willing to pay me $1MM+ just because I love the Gamecocks?

I LOVE EM TOO

 

[DeBoer31]

I have stated this numerous times...and really isn't my opinion - it is fact. If you look at who was able to locate, and bring in legit SEC offensive OL - they along with Shaw and Lattimore being great players made that 5 year run where we had a nice running game possible. The coach was Eric Wolford.

Compare the OL that have been brought in AFTER that Wolford recruiting year. There is your answer about SE. hint- this year and most of last year's group were not recruited by Wolford. I don't think that OL group ever got the credit deserved for Lattimore and Shaw's success b/c both of them are so legit and great players. That OL helped make them great.

I like SE fine...but we need something more at the OL to be successful in the SEC. Great guy, good coach. But we need to move on.

 

[MVPisMAD]

I have stated this numerous times...and really isn't my opinion - it is fact. If you look at who was able to locate, and bring in legit SEC offensive OL - they along with Shaw and Lattimore being great players made that 5 year run where we had a nice running game possible. The coach was Eric Wolford.

Compare the OL that have been brought in AFTER that Wolford recruiting year. There is your answer about SE. hint- this year and most of last year's group were not recruited by Wolford. I don't think that OL group ever got the credit deserved for Lattimore and Shaw's success b/c both of them are so legit and great players. That OL helped make them great.

I like SE fine...but we need something more at the OL to be successful in the SEC. Great guy, good coach. But we need to move on.

It is a fact but, I fail to provide anything but an opinion. At least the op gave numbers

 

[rogue cock]

Shell will be drafted this year, we had Cann and Robertson drafted last year. With 3 future NFL OL, he couldn't get them to get a push on the DL to pick up short yardage last year. How much more talent to you need to show he can not coach an OL. Three NFL OL on one team should be able to dominate most defensive lines. Ours could not and that should tell you all you need to know.

 

[Game!]

I love his enthusiasm. Even with great to above average players sprinkled in, it seemed QBs got pressured a lot more than not.

 

[tngamecock#]

Elliott honestly wasnt good enough to coach at Clemson. Yes he was a great cheerleader. But we have enough of them and most look ten times better than Elliott lol

Or maybe it was a by product of those soft ass practices cause SOS wouldn't let them hit. Elliott's lines at App State came off the ball and hit people......I doubt he taught our 350 lb lineman to stand straight up on a running play. But hey, I could be wrong.

 

[andypants]

I'm not an SE guy. I think he's a Southern Conference position coach. Just because he's a passionate, life-long Gamecock doesn't do a whole lot for me. I am too. I eat and sleep SC. Are y'all willing to pay me $1MM+ just because I love the Gamecocks?

I will send you a $1worth of MM's

 

[jonesz21]

Or maybe it was a by product of those soft ass practices cause SOS wouldn't let them hit. Elliott's lines at App State came off the ball and hit people......I doubt he taught our 350 lb lineman to stand straight up on a running play. But hey, I could be wrong.

I hope boom brings physical practice with him

 

[craneoperatr1_a_aol.com]

I hope boom brings physical practice with him

Not too physical, that's what happened at fla he had to many injuries because of the physical practices . hopefully he brings in a grade A strength and conditioning.

 

[Gamecock Lifer]

Shawn came to Carolina in early 2010. Since then the offensive production improved dramatically as did the wins. He was a major factor in that success. His OLines were productive, just remember we went up against SEC defenses. Stop the bad mouthing of the man, he wasn't the issue, Jr and his lack of attention to recruiting as well as Sr deserve a lot of the blame.
Year Rushing/ Passing/ Total Yards/ Points/
Game Game Game Game Wins Losses Bowl Comment
2015 154.7 207.5 362.2 21.9 3 9
2014 161.0 282.4 443.4 32.6 7 6 Independence - W Defense w/o Lawing
2013 198.5 253.8 452.3 34.1 11 2 Capital One - W
2012 138.5 238.1 376.6 31.5 11 2 Outback - W
2011 192.1 181.5 373.6 30.1 11 2 Capital One - W
2010 238.4 154.4 392.8 30.9 9 5 Peach - L Elliot Joins Staff
2009 226.2 121.2 347.4 20.6 7 6 Papa Johns - L
2008 94.1 222.5 316.6 20.8 7 6 Outback - L
2007 113.7 258.2 371.9 26.1 6 6
2006 144.3 250.7 395.0 26.6 8 5 Liberty - W
2005 95.2 220.8 316.0 23.7 7 5 Independence - L Spurrier Becomes HC
2004 168.7 200.2 368.9 22.1 6 5
2003 161.4 193.7 355.1 22.3 5 7
2002 167.0 151.8 318.8 18.8 5 7
2001 186.6 174.0 360.6 25.8 9 3 Outback - W
2000 157.0 210.9 367.9 23.6 8 4 Outback - W
1999 89.7 138.9 228.6 7.9 0 11 Holtz Becomes HC

I honestly do not see where these stats bear out what you are saying. His OLs were generally very average in run blocking and mostly TERRIBLE at pass blocking. He has traditionally recruited mostly FCS level talent to fill his OL slots, and focused on a bunch of undersized guys who need two years to fill into an SEC sized body after they get in campus... Some of the highly talented recruits he did get did not pan out... Cann is about our most successful acquisition along the OL under Elliott. He came in highly touted, played like a beast every year he was here, kept getting better was well drafted and playing in the league now. Other guys like Shell, Rogers... A couple other guys who transferred out... Have never lived up to potential. Shell isn't a total bust- but he was never shown proper technique on how to seal an edge, he never improved on what he lacked in pass blocking experience, he was slower than advertised and as far as I can tell nothing SE did helped him. I am not impressed... Couple that with the undeniable DISASTER that was his stint as interim HC, and it is a real head scratcher as to why we retained him as OL coach especially when you consider the fact that all he seems to know is the read option and we are moving to a fast paced spread offense under Roper!? I do not get it.

 

[spinedaddy]

Camp, I appreciate the time you invested looking up the stats, but I will respectfully disagree with you. Based on the eye test, our offensive line play has been terrible under Elliott. The technique taught was bad. There has been some very talented players come thru, evidenced by the nfl draft. But I think yout stats may not reflect a true barometer in the success of our OL. What would validate or disprove your argument is if you include the number of attempts per game, also take out the stats from non-power 5 games.
We also had the benefit of having two of our most prolific offensive weapons in gamecock history with Shaw and Lattimore. These two players alone made a subpar OL look better than they were.
I've never been an Elliott fan, but I appreciate his love and enthusiasm for USC. I've always felt we would have benefitted if he would have gotten the App St HC a few years back

 

[Tigerof66]

Or maybe it was a by product of those soft ass practices cause SOS wouldn't let them hit. Elliott's lines at App State came off the ball and hit people......I doubt he taught our 350 lb lineman to stand straight up on a running play. But hey, I could be wrong.

How much has S&C had to do with this the last 3 or 4 years??

 

[Tigerof66]

Not too physical, that's what happened at fla he had to many injuries because of the physical practices . hopefully he brings in a grade A strength and conditioning.

Looks like Dillman from Bama

 

[67gamecock]

Shell will be drafted this year, we had Cann and Robertson drafted last year. With 3 future NFL OL, he couldn't get them to get a push on the DL to pick up short yardage last year. How much more talent to you need to show he can not coach an OL. Three NFL OL on one team should be able to dominate most defensive lines. Ours could not and that should tell you all you need to know.

Could not or would not? That's the real question imo. Couldn't move The Citadel's DL out of the way? Sad, bad and makes me mad.

 

[SizzlinCock]

I know this is false information. Telling me we only threw for 154 a game in 2010 when Garcia passed for over 3000 yards? Yeah right.

 

[Wiles2]

I honestly do not see where these stats bear out what you are saying. His OLs were generally very average in run blocking and mostly TERRIBLE at pass blocking. He has traditionally recruited mostly FCS level talent to fill his OL slots, and focused on a bunch of undersized guys who need two years to fill into an SEC sized body after they get in campus... Some of the highly talented recruits he did get did not pan out... Cann is about our most successful acquisition along the OL under Elliott. He came in highly touted, played like a beast every year he was here, kept getting better was well drafted and playing in the league now. Other guys like Shell, Rogers... A couple other guys who transferred out... Have never lived up to potential. Shell isn't a total bust- but he was never shown proper technique on how to seal an edge, he never improved on what he lacked in pass blocking experience, he was slower than advertised and as far as I can tell nothing SE did helped him. I am not impressed... Couple that with the undeniable DISASTER that was his stint as interim HC, and it is a real head scratcher as to why we retained him as OL coach especially when you consider the fact that all he seems to know is the read option and we are moving to a fast paced spread offense under Roper!? I do not get it.

Totally agree...Really wonder if the offer to retain him was a pre-arranged hat tip from Tanner & Co? Muschamp agrees to offer him the position with the idea that there's maybe a 50-50 shot he sticks around.

He certainly did step in under some pretty difficult circumstances and did a nice job in terms of player/team morale as well as overall image of the school. It certainly could have gotten ugly with potential player mutiny, etc. given the mid-season exit and losses.

 

[gamecockblack]

And how many rushing yards did we have against the Citadel?

Ouch! Don't remind us of that debacle. I think some of the players quit before the game even started.

 

[TheReelEss]

RB and QB guy perfectly suited to it. Lattimore is no longer with us (nor is Mike Davis) and it looks like 5 little girls playing against men. They're big, but not very athletic looking. Every year they look less impressive. And the excuse I hear on the radio is they're going up against the best DLines in the country. (And some of the worst). There are injuries. Blah, blah, BLAH!!! By the end of the season, there are injuries on EVERY team. No more excuses. Build a good, athletic, well-coached line!

 

[TheReelEss]

Totally agree...Really wonder if the offer to retain him was a pre-arranged hat tip from Tanner & Co? Muschamp agrees to offer him the position with the idea that there's maybe a 50-50 shot he sticks around.

He certainly did step in under some pretty difficult circumstances and did a nice job in terms of player/team morale as well as overall image of the school. It certainly could have gotten ugly with potential player mutiny, etc. given the mid-season exit and losses.

Probably a move to retain the most good recruits.