I know it's been circulating, but now I suppose it's getting to where it's fact.
This post was edited on 1/20 12:48 PM by Chris Clark
This post was edited on 1/20 12:48 PM by Chris Clark
Spurrier targeting Jon Hoke to lead the defense
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I fully expect to see more attrition from this years recruiting class because of articles just like this.
It would be worth the chance of losing a couple recruits, if it meant us getting a proven, excellent D Coordinator, who actually knows how to prepare & run a defense.
I don't see this hurting us. If anything, it may get a couple of flips TO USC, not from. Ward is a great coach and I think he's going to be excellent as a position coach but I think we need someone new to give this defense more discipline and stability.
And let's face it: Most of the talented recruits want to get to the NFL...this move increases their chances at that, not decreases them.
And for those of you who DON'T know:
Recruiting is about WHO YOU KNOW AT THE NEXT LEVEL and what you can do for these kids to get them to the NFL...
I'm pretty sure Hoke has more NFL contacts than Ward...
And let's face it: Most of the talented recruits want to get to the NFL...this move increases their chances at that, not decreases them.
And for those of you who DON'T know:
Recruiting is about WHO YOU KNOW AT THE NEXT LEVEL and what you can do for these kids to get them to the NFL...
I'm pretty sure Hoke has more NFL contacts than Ward...
GCC published a detailed report for subscribers on Saturday regarding Hoke/coaching changes. Lots of detail in there, if you want to join up and check it out.
The short version is yes, as we've said, certainly a guy Spurrier is targeting for down the road.
Hoke/coaching moves
The short version is yes, as we've said, certainly a guy Spurrier is targeting for down the road.
Hoke/coaching moves
So, Hoke went from Gainsville to Houston to Chicago with the NFL. And, now he has the opportunity to either stay in Chicago or potentially move to Denver, but there is the lure of Columbia, SC and dealing with rebuilding a college defense, recruiting, grades, etc that is supposed to get him back into the SEC fray and working for his old boss.
Excuse me while I step away from my computer and laugh my ass off ...
Excuse me while I step away from my computer and laugh my ass off ...
There's nothing certain that he will get an opportunity in Chicago or Denver right now. He has the Kubiak ties from Houston yes, but Kubiak actually let go Hoke and DC Richard Smith and DL coach Jethro Franklin in Houston. So I wouldn't say there's a guarantee that he's following Kubiak.
Now, Hoke's dream was to coach in the NFL and he's turned Spurrier down before. So maybe that happens again. But perhaps he decides it's time to jump back in since he's done the NFL for quite a while, and maybe he doesn't get an opportunity he wants. We'll see. It's something to track at a minimum.
Again, we gave a detailed update on the site back on Saturday for subscribers.
Hoke would be an excellent hire. He was the defensive back coach for the Houston Texans and was retained on staff after a head coaching change. He then went to Chicago and was retained on staff after a head coaching change there as well. To me, that says he is a guy that knows what he is doing. Plus, he's worked with Spurrier and Spurrier supposedly wanted to bring him here in 2004. He may not have the name recognition of a Muschamp, but we need someone like this to run our defense in the worst way. Bringing him aboard with our current infusion of talent might mean our defense could be somewhat respectable next year.
Who says he has the "opportunity" to stay in Chicago or move to Denver? The fact is there's a new head coach at each place and no one knows what "opportunities" are out there for him. SOS is simply letting him know we want him here. If he says no, so be it. If the position he wants in Chicago or Denver isn't offered, then who knows...
The best college players are trying to get to the NFL not applying for a job in the workforce.
Having "contacts" .." knowing people at the next level" is totally useless.
Talent is what the NFL is looking for....not how many contacts or who someone knows...that makes no sense
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If this happens, I can't wait to hear what Heath Cline has to say. Back when the Muschamp drama was unfolding, Heath told a story how SOS wanted to hire Bud Foster in 99, after Bob Stoops had left for Oklahoma. However, Spurrier was impatient and hired John Hoke, ever since then SOS has vowed to not make the mistake of rushing into staff changes.
If SOS regretted hiring Hoke that much, why does he want him now? It seems, if true, SOS is simply reaching from someone familiar. If that's the case, he might as well bring back Ellis Johnson.
If SOS regretted hiring Hoke that much, why does he want him now? It seems, if true, SOS is simply reaching from someone familiar. If that's the case, he might as well bring back Ellis Johnson.
I believe this is about the third time John Hoke's name has come up while Spurrier has been at USC? A proven NFL coach can only help with athletes that have aspirations to play in ' the league'.
Go get him coach!
Go get him coach!
I'd support any of you at this point. My god, our tacking and pass rush has gone down drastically in the last few seasons. Recall how Wisconsin threw us around? Be nice to actually stop the run and run on others.
Am I missing something? How great has the Chicago defense been, especially the secondary? Why not Chavis, who will be thorn in our sides from now on?
LOL...you misread what I said.
College Recruiters who have contacts in the NFL and have experience in the NFL have the EAR of NFL SCOUTS. They are also respected for their eye for talent.
People in the NBA trust what Saban has to say about his defensive players...and Saban has lots of NFL contacts. If a player wants to get drafted or needs a camp invite, who do you think has the most juice to make that happen? Saban or Ward? Hoke or Ward?
Even KIFFIN has more juice than Ward.
The NFL has a political component that isn't publicized...that's why some AGENTS are better than others.
Same with College Coaches...you have some who are GREAT coaches but have little to no juice with the NFL side of things. That SHOULD be important to 5* athletes who view college as a STEPPING STONE to the NFL.
But believe what you want...
College Recruiters who have contacts in the NFL and have experience in the NFL have the EAR of NFL SCOUTS. They are also respected for their eye for talent.
People in the NBA trust what Saban has to say about his defensive players...and Saban has lots of NFL contacts. If a player wants to get drafted or needs a camp invite, who do you think has the most juice to make that happen? Saban or Ward? Hoke or Ward?
Even KIFFIN has more juice than Ward.
The NFL has a political component that isn't publicized...that's why some AGENTS are better than others.
Same with College Coaches...you have some who are GREAT coaches but have little to no juice with the NFL side of things. That SHOULD be important to 5* athletes who view college as a STEPPING STONE to the NFL.
But believe what you want...
It's funny how many of you mocked UGA for doing something similar (hiring Schottenheimer from the NFL) but seem to be OK with it here.
Jon Hoke was the most hated man in Gainesville from 199 through 2001 because he inherited a mess on defense (losing 9 starters, ncluding two 1st rounders, two 2d rounders and a third rounder. Like at SC, no one at Florida would ever criticize Spurrier for that 9-4 season in 1999, so Hoke was the designated scapegoat, and it stayed with him to the end.
Every year, the fans demanded that Spurrier fire Hoke, The Reason For All their Struggles, and were absolutely flabbergasted that Spurrier wanted Hoke to be his DC at SC as his first choice in 2004. They simply couldn't understand the reasoning. After all, if the reason why Florida struggled was entirely because of Jon Hoke, then why on Earth would SOS want to re-hire him?
Sound familiar?
Every year, the fans demanded that Spurrier fire Hoke, The Reason For All their Struggles, and were absolutely flabbergasted that Spurrier wanted Hoke to be his DC at SC as his first choice in 2004. They simply couldn't understand the reasoning. After all, if the reason why Florida struggled was entirely because of Jon Hoke, then why on Earth would SOS want to re-hire him?
Sound familiar?
So what is your opinion of Hoke? I don't remember much about the defense on those Florida teams.
Georgia was in a different position. They could get whomever they wanted to replace Bobo. In our case, I would take my kids' gym teacher to run our defense over the present situation.
At one point when EJ was here our entire secondary from one of his teams started in the NFLthis year, and most of the DL are on rosters. How many future NFLers do you see from last year's squad? Ward didn't do a good job with a lack of talent, and yes some are able to do so, but it wouldn't bother me to see him get more time with more talent. Especially with the highly touted DBs who will be in their second year, and the help coming on the DL from JUCO and prep.
A couple of things - Ward is at least partially responsible for the lack of talent, so that's not an excuse. Second, our defensive line will never be any good with the current defensive line coach.
Lawing was a great developer of talent, but I don't know how many Lawings there are out there or that Adams has had enough time to be judged. Ward has been one of our best recruiters. We also had several unexpected departures with guys going pro and back ups transfering. If we're giving Ward some of the blame for talent, we have to give Spurrier some too, not to mention him promoting Ward in the first place if in fact he isn't up to the task.
If Hoke is the answer great, but the fact is he will have more to work with next year. I think we will be significantly better whomever it is. I'm more worried about our qb situation at this point.
If Hoke is the answer great, but the fact is he will have more to work with next year. I think we will be significantly better whomever it is. I'm more worried about our qb situation at this point.
I agree with most of what you're saying about Ward and I agree that Spurrier dropped the ball on defensive recruiting.
Regarding Adams, our defensive line, with Clowney, was worse in his first year than it was the year before he got here. I think we've had plenty of time to judge him. He is far and away the weakest link on this team.
Looks like Hoke is putting his skills on the open market as he is going to the Senior bowl to try to latch onto a new team.
Nope, Hoke took over a struggling defense and they got better and by year 3 it was a very good defense. Ward took over a very good defense and the got worse and by year 3 the defense was garbage. So basically it's the exact opposite situation. Also if Spurrier himself wants Hoke, than why isn't is sticking with Ward?
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