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Suns up 3-1 series over?

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Crazy as it may sound, if I'm the Clippers I'm not too worried being down 3-1 to the Suns. Clippers have been coming from behind all playoffs, and the Suns have multiple playoff series in their history where they blew a 3-1 series lead and lost(1995 Houston comes to mind).
 
This series is over. Clips have kept it close in their losses but have not been able to make big shots and free throws in the closing minutes.

It would have been a totally different series if Kawhi was healthy.
Exactly. Kawhi, when healthy is a top-5 player and they are not going to beat the Suns without him. The Suns are playing completely relaxed and have looked like they have been having fun this whole playoffs. I never would have thought that they would dominate the West the way that they have but then again they have been the healthiest team in the West, at least in every series that they have played.
 
I’d like to see Milwaukee win it all. It would be nice to have small market team win the title.
 
And we're not even to the Finals yet? I stopped paying attention to the NBA a long time ago, but why is this NBA season going to extend well into July? Another covid adjustment, I assume. It seems like the NBA is just becoming a year-round sport.
Getting back on schedule from the Covid bubble. The bubble season didn’t end until Mid-October.
 
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Gotta pull for the Suns.. Former Great Falls High School ( Single A ) star Torrey Craig comes off the bench for the Suns.. He played college ball at USC UPSTATE... was with the Nuggets for a couple of years before being traded to the Bucks and then the Suns..
 
And we're not even to the Finals yet? I stopped paying attention to the NBA a long time ago, but why is this NBA season going to extend well into July? Another covid adjustment, I assume. It seems like the NBA is just becoming a year-round sport.
They started later and played less games since last years interrupted season ended so late. However, I wish they’d always start the season later and run the playoffs/finals until late July. It’s great to have NBA deep into the summer.
 
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I’ve mentioned it before, but you’ll never win a championship if Paul George is your second best player. He’s like Dwight Howard - puts up great numbers, seems like a great teammate, but just doesn’t have that leadership gear to be anything but a role player.
 
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I’ve mentioned it before, but you’ll never win a championship if Paul George is your second best player. He’s like Dwight Howard - puts up great numbers, seems like a great teammate, but just doesn’t have that leadership gear to be anything but a role player.
Meh, I think a team could win with George as their #2…but not when there is such a large gap between George and the #3 and #4 players.
 
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The Buck’s game was pretty entertaining last night. Middleton was a joy to watch in the 4th.

wonder how bad and how long the Trae injury lingers?
 
The Buck’s game was pretty entertaining last night. Middleton was a joy to watch in the 4th.

wonder how bad and how long the Trae injury lingers?

Ankles are nasty. Not sure what kind of voodoo they can pull off in the back.

Pulling for the Hawks. Love their chemistry. Trae Young is a superstar.
 
Ankles are nasty. Not sure what kind of voodoo they can pull off in the back.

Pulling for the Hawks. Love their chemistry. Trae Young is a superstar.
This is the first time in a long time that I don’t have a reason to pull against any of the teams that could win. I’d like to see Atlanta make it, but I think there is a pretty big talent gap between them and the 3 remaining teams.
 
This is the first time in a long time that I don’t have a reason to pull against any of the teams that could win. I’d like to see Atlanta make it, but I think there is a pretty big talent gap between them and the 3 remaining teams.
There definitely is. I'm loving what Mcmillan has done with them. Guys like Huerter and Collins have really stepped up.

I'm with you- I like all the teams except for the Clippers right now. They kind of rub me the wrong way, and with Kawhi being out, I don't really care for them. Kawhi is a legend, but the rest of them are just meh. Why is he sitting in the rafters, by the way? Seems odd.
 
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Meh, I think a team could win with George as their #2…but not when there is such a large gap between George and the #3 and #4 players.
The Clippers could definitely win it with George as their #2 especially how the playoffs turned out this year. The Suns are struggling to beat the Clippers with George as the #1. They are two George missed free throws from being in a 2-2 series. Injuries have totally turned this year's playoffs upside down and the Clippers, with a full roster, would be the most talented roster. I would like to see the Suns win it this year. There is no player in the NBA that deserves a ring more than Chris Paul. Plays the right way and injuries have always hit him in the playoffs at the worst time. Giannis and Milwaukee should have other opportunities.
 
I don't necessarily trust the Suns enough to declare the series over. CP3 has a checkered playoff history and seems a bit nicked up. Booker's shooting has been very streaky. Ayton gives them a huge advantage in the paint, especially when Zubac sits, but a few fouls could change that pretty quickly (refs seem to be favoring LAC, so not out of the realm of possibility.)

I still think it's more likely than not that they'll win, but it's far from over.
 
The Clippers could definitely win it with George as their #2 especially how the playoffs turned out this year. The Suns are struggling to beat the Clippers with George as the #1. They are two George missed free throws from being in a 2-2 series. Injuries have totally turned this year's playoffs upside down and the Clippers, with a full roster, would be the most talented roster. I would like to see the Suns win it this year. There is no player in the NBA that deserves a ring more than Chris Paul. Plays the right way and injuries have always hit him in the playoffs at the worst time. Giannis and Milwaukee should have other opportunities.
You are correct that the Clippers could win it all this year with a healthy Leonard. A lot has happened to make that possible this season (Lakers injuries, Nets injuries, Warriors injuries), but I suppose that’s the game.
 
The Clippers could definitely win it with George as their #2 especially how the playoffs turned out this year. The Suns are struggling to beat the Clippers with George as the #1. They are two George missed free throws from being in a 2-2 series. Injuries have totally turned this year's playoffs upside down and the Clippers, with a full roster, would be the most talented roster. I would like to see the Suns win it this year. There is no player in the NBA that deserves a ring more than Chris Paul. Plays the right way and injuries have always hit him in the playoffs at the worst time. Giannis and Milwaukee should have other opportunities.

Sorry, when your #2 should be a #3 or #4, you aren't winning anything. He shrinks in big moments (hence blowing two free throws at the end of Game 2). The pressure always gets to him and if Kahwi isn't saving the team, you can never count on George. He's a role player, but he never even seems to step up in the clutch like a good role player tends to do. He's Dwight Howard.
 
Sorry, when your #2 should be a #3 or #4, you aren't winning anything. He shrinks in big moments (hence blowing two free throws at the end of Game 2). The pressure always gets to him and if Kahwi isn't saving the team, you can never count on George. He's a role player, but he never even seems to step up in the clutch like a good role player tends to do. He's Dwight Howard.
He's no Scottie Pippen, but you can't simply call him a role player either. He's a top 30 defender and getting 26 and 10 in the playoffs. Clutch? That's a different topic.
 
He's no Scottie Pippen, but you can't simply call him a role player either. He's a top 30 defender and getting 26 and 10 in the playoffs. Clutch? That's a different topic.

He’s a great player - hence the Dwight Howard opinion. But he’s not a winner, like Dwight. And if you’re expecting him to produce when it really counts in the playoffs (which is what you have to have in a #2 if you want to win championships), then you’re barking up the wrong tree.
 
He’s a great player - hence the Dwight Howard opinion. But he’s not a winner, like Dwight. And if you’re expecting him to produce when it really counts in the playoffs (which is what you have to have in a #2 if you want to win championships), then you’re barking up the wrong tree.
I don't disagree. He falls somewhere between number 2 guy and role player. He could be somebody's third banana.
 
Sorry, when your #2 should be a #3 or #4, you aren't winning anything. He shrinks in big moments (hence blowing two free throws at the end of Game 2). The pressure always gets to him and if Kahwi isn't saving the team, you can never count on George. He's a role player, but he never even seems to step up in the clutch like a good role player tends to do. He's Dwight Howard.
I think you are missing my point. I am not saying that Paul George is that good at all. I am saying that the remaining teams have been the beneficiaries of injuries and are flawed to the point that the Clippers could win with George as a #2. I'm not even convinced that the Suns can close out the series tonight with George as a #1.
 
I think you are missing my point. I am not saying that Paul George is that good at all. I am saying that the remaining teams have been the beneficiaries of injuries and are flawed to the point that the Clippers could win with George as a #2. I'm not even convinced that the Suns can close out the series tonight with George as a #1.
A healthy LAC would be the clear favorites to win the championship, in my opinion.
 
He's no Scottie Pippen, but you can't simply call him a role player either. He's a top 30 defender and getting 26 and 10 in the playoffs. Clutch? That's a different topic.
I think George is individually better than Scottie Pippen. Pippen just had the benefit of being with Jordan. People forget Pippen's disastrous season in Houston. Many, also, forget Portland's meltdown with Pippen leading the way to start the Kobe/Shaq 3 peat. George is a #2. He's just not a Lebron, KD, or Kawhi as a wing and that is no crime. He led a team that went 7 games with Miami in the Eastern Conference Finals. Good Player. Just hasn't proven to be good enough to lead a team as the guy.
 
Crazy as it may sound, if I'm the Clippers I'm not too worried being down 3-1 to the Suns. Clippers have been coming from behind all playoffs, and the Suns have multiple playoff series in their history where they blew a 3-1 series lead and lost(1995 Houston comes to mind).
What does 95 and Houston have to do with 2021? You can't serious,y be trying to insinuate that these things have ANY connection.
 
I think George is individually better than Scottie Pippen. Pippen just had the benefit of being with Jordan. People forget Pippen's disastrous season in Houston. Many, also, forget Portland's meltdown with Pippen leading the way to start the Kobe/Shaq 3 peat. George is a #2. He's just not a Lebron, KD, or Kawhi as a wing and that is no crime. He led a team that went 7 games with Miami in the Eastern Conference Finals. Good Player. Just hasn't proven to be good enough to lead a team as the guy.

I disagree with that hot take. I'm open to being convinced, however? Care to make a case as to why Paul George is better than Scottie Pippen?
 
I think George is individually better than Scottie Pippen. Pippen just had the benefit of being with Jordan. People forget Pippen's disastrous season in Houston. Many, also, forget Portland's meltdown with Pippen leading the way to start the Kobe/Shaq 3 peat. George is a #2. He's just not a Lebron, KD, or Kawhi as a wing and that is no crime. He led a team that went 7 games with Miami in the Eastern Conference Finals. Good Player. Just hasn't proven to be good enough to lead a team as the guy.

George is the perfect #3 in a "Big 3" scenario. He's Chris Bosh. He's capable of being the number 1 scorer on any given night, but not if he has to do it. As a third option, George would win multiple championships. He would be unstoppable with no pressure on him.

And I agree he's got a better all-around game than Pippen. But Pippen is a killer when he needs to be, and thus the better player. He's a perfect #2.
 
I disagree with that hot take. I'm open to being convinced, however? Care to make a case as to why Paul George is better than Scottie Pippen?
Scottie Pippen is the most overrated player that was named in the NBA’s Top 50 years back. For people to think Scottie Pippen was better than Dominique Wilkins is comical. Pippen is a product of the greatness of Michael Jordan and the genius of Phil Jackson’s Triangle. Ron Harper has six rings in that system too. No one is thinking of Ron Harper as an all-time great. Pippen only averaged over 20 points a game 4 times in 17 seasons and it’s not like he was this big time assist guy. He only averaged 5.2 Assists Per Game for his career. You really saw what Pippen was once you took Jordan and Jackson out of the equation. An above-average player that played great defense and had an inconsistent jump shot. He was part of a supposed Big 3 in Houston (Olajuwon, Drexler, Pippen) and Pippen played so poorly they traded him after one year. I think sometimes the media gets too caught up in giving ancillary players like Pippen credit when they are in championship situations. During Pippen’s career in Chicago, you replace Pippen with 15-20 All-Star level players and the same thing happens.
 
Scottie Pippen is the most overrated player that was named in the NBA’s Top 50 years back. For people to think Scottie Pippen was better than Dominique Wilkins is comical. Pippen is a product of the greatness of Michael Jordan and the genius of Phil Jackson’s Triangle. Ron Harper has six rings in that system too. No one is thinking of Ron Harper as an all-time great. Pippen only averaged over 20 points a game 4 times in 17 seasons and it’s not like he was this big time assist guy. He only averaged 5.2 Assists Per Game for his career. You really saw what Pippen was once you took Jordan and Jackson out of the equation. An above-average player that played great defense and had an inconsistent jump shot. He was part of a supposed Big 3 in Houston (Olajuwon, Drexler, Pippen) and Pippen played so poorly they traded him after one year. I think sometimes the media gets too caught up in giving ancillary players like Pippen credit when they are in championship situations. During Pippen’s career in Chicago, you replace Pippen with 15-20 All-Star level players and the same thing happens.
You're entitled to your opinion. BTW it was Barkley not Drexler. Pippen asked for the trade out of Portland, and he made 1st team All defense that year. He only played 50 games.
 
George is the perfect #3 in a "Big 3" scenario. He's Chris Bosh. He's capable of being the number 1 scorer on any given night, but not if he has to do it. As a third option, George would win multiple championships. He would be unstoppable with no pressure on him.

And I agree he's got a better all-around game than Pippen. But Pippen is a killer when he needs to be, and thus the better player. He's a perfect #2.
What did Pippen do when he didn’t have Jordan to back him up. Pippen is the perfect example of that little brother that no one bothers in the neighborhood because they knew his brother would step in and destroy everyone.
 
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You're entitled to your opinion. BTW it was Barkley not Drexler. Pippen asked for the trade out of Portland, and he made 1st team All defense that year. He only played 50 games.
Everyone played a shortened schedule in 1998-99 due to the lockout. However, Pippen was only marginally better in Portland. He was a glue guy that was the 3td to 4th offensive option behind Damon Stoudamire, Steve Smith, Detlef Schempf, and Rasheed Wallace. He actually played more like a wing version of Draymond Green in Portland
 
Everyone played a shortened schedule in 1998-99 due to the lockout. However, Pippen was only marginally better in Portland. He was a glue guy that was the 3td to 4th offensive option behind Damon Stoudamire, Steve Smith, Detlef Schempf, and Rasheed Wallace. He actually played more like a wing version of Draymond Green in Portland
Yeah he was also 35+
 
I think George is individually better than Scottie Pippen. Pippen just had the benefit of being with Jordan. People forget Pippen's disastrous season in Houston. Many, also, forget Portland's meltdown with Pippen leading the way to start the Kobe/Shaq 3 peat. George is a #2. He's just not a Lebron, KD, or Kawhi as a wing and that is no crime. He led a team that went 7 games with Miami in the Eastern Conference Finals. Good Player. Just hasn't proven to be good enough to lead a team as the guy.
Still think PG is a #3 guy? Told you that I had zero confidence in the Suns closing out this series. Yes, Paul George is a B list star, but people have taken this Pandemic P slander too far. It’s like LeBron haters wanting to bring up 2011 all the time after the man owned the decade and won 4 titles. For my money, PG is the second best player left in these playoffs. Devin Booker and Trae Young are on the come, but they are young and have been up and down as well.
 
Still think PG is a #3 guy? Told you that I had zero confidence in the Suns closing out this series. Yes, Paul George is a B list star, but people have taken this Pandemic P slander too far. It’s like LeBron haters wanting to bring up 2011 all the time after the man owned the decade and won 4 titles. For my money, PG is the second best player left in these playoffs. Devin Booker and Trae Young are on the come, but they are young and have been up and down as well.
There was zero pressure to win tonights game. Let's see what happens next game. I mean, if they lose 4-2, nothing different.
 
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There was zero pressure to win tonights game. Let's see what happens next game. I mean, if they lose 4-2, nothing different.

Exactly. That was vintage Paul George. Down 3-1 and Kahwi out, so he balls out because there are no expectations of him or the team. He's a really good player (he's got #1 player game), but no one ever taught him how to be a winner.

I do think the next game will more telling - we'll see what he does. Now everyone will have the expectation of a similar performance (and win), will he wilt under the bright lights? I vote yes. But that's why sports are great - losers can become winners and prove their detractors wrong.
 
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