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Surprising Thing About Our OL

Cocky Hobbit

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I looked over the stats on all of our linemen — especially our underclassmen. These guys are HUGE — up to 6’ 6” 345 lbs. Do they lack competitive strength, footwork? Was the blocking scheme too confusing? Trying to understand why teams like Mizzou clogged all the running lanes and constantly had a straight shot to the qb. It wasn’t that they lacked size.
 
I looked over the stats on all of our linemen — especially our underclassmen. These guys are HUGE — up to 6’ 6” 345 lbs. Do they lack competitive strength, footwork? Was the blocking scheme too confusing? Trying to understand why teams like Mizzou clogged all the running lanes and constantly had a straight shot to the qb. It wasn’t that they lacked size.
New schemes, different OL coach. Didn’t mesh.
 
Sure the OL was bad this year. But (hear me out on this), I think part of the poor performance is spread around the whole team. QBs with lead feet and slow reads. RBs that weren’t healthy early on. Play calls catering to underachieving QBs. Receivers who couldn’t get open. QBs who couldn’t get off of the first read. Dropped passes or missed receivers on third downs. It all lead to D coordinators being able to overwhelm the line. And yes, I can think of several flat out whiffs and bad plays by the OL. But…

My hope is that a QB with an arm, making quick decisions, throwing receivers open, will make the OL look better as a group. Fingers crossed I’m right.
 
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I have never coached an offensive line and honestly can't say that I understand every formation or the new terminology of offensive football. I do know about intensity, focus, effort and heart. I have not seen even one of these from our pusillanimous linemen who have no desire (no matter their size) to initiate physical contact or even get their uniforms dirty. Regardless of coaching or scheme, until we put some contact-loving, bone-rattling, mean suckers in those positions nothing, and I mean nothing, will improve!
 
Rattler is a great talent. He has a strong arm, good qb smarts and is reasonably athletic. His biggest weakness is a tendency to get "rattled" if put under a heavy rush. So whether you keep a big fullback or tight end in to block blitzers or whatever, you better keep intense pressure off of him.
 
Rattler is a great talent. He has a strong arm, good qb smarts and is reasonably athletic. His biggest weakness is a tendency to get "rattled" if put under a heavy rush. So whether you keep a big fullback or tight end in to block blitzers or whatever, you better keep intense pressure off of him.
I guess he'll need to learn to deal with being "rattled" on a regular basis.
 
Rattler is a great talent. He has a strong arm, good qb smarts and is reasonably athletic. His biggest weakness is a tendency to get "rattled" if put under a heavy rush. So whether you keep a big fullback or tight end in to block blitzers or whatever, you better keep intense pressure off of him.
these guys fully believe all we need is a competent qb. we need receivers and an o-line that can at least slow people down
 
So what you're saying is, all we need is a good O line, a good QB, and good WR's and we will have a good offense. Hmm, that's earth shattering news there. I wonder what would happen if we threw in a good RB???
 
Sure the OL was bad this year. But (hear me out on this), I think part of the poor performance is spread around the whole team. QBs with lead feet and slow reads. RBs that weren’t healthy early on. Play calls catering to underachieving QBs. Receivers who couldn’t get open. QBs who couldn’t get off of the first read. Dropped passes or missed receivers on third downs. It all lead to D coordinators being able to overwhelm the line. And yes, I can think of several flat out whiffs and bad plays by the OL. But…

My hope is that a QB with an arm, making quick decisions, throwing receivers open, will make the OL look better as a group. Fingers crossed I’m right.
One huge thing you're missing is the communication issues we had. When Douglass started making most of the blocking calls, we stopped missing blocks the same, it looked like it wasn't cleared up against Mizzou but when you watch all the pressure was speed off the edge because Brown kept dropping out of the bottom of the pocket instead of stepping up. Less major thing, our OL did way better with duo than they did with Inside zone. Where duo is basically the same except the angles are different because zone blocks up and leaves the back end uncovered, duo blocks down and leaves an unblocked safety of CB on the play side giving the OL shorter to go to get in place, and all of our RBs can beat safeties and corners one on one.

Edit: I can't believe I out accept instead of except.
 
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So what you're saying is, all we need is a good O line, a good QB, and good WR's and we will have a good offense. Hmm, that's earth shattering news there. I wonder what would happen if we threw in a good RB???
We already have them, TEs too.
 
Rattler is a great talent. He has a strong arm, good qb smarts and is reasonably athletic. His biggest weakness is a tendency to get "rattled" if put under a heavy rush. So whether you keep a big fullback or tight end in to block blitzers or whatever, you better keep intense pressure off of him.
He's better at moving in pocket than anyone we have. If you break down the season, we had different issues at different points. We don't have the talent to matchup with UGA and TAMU, Tennessee isn't more talented but they are a matchup nightmare for us, moving on from there, prior to the BYE week we had major assignment issues where the OL frequently didn't know who they should be blocking, Douglas even shouted at Doty telling Doty to just let him call the projections. Well it seems Douglas was right because with Brown in, he called most of the protections and we didn't always win but we didn't have any OL unengaged. Against Mizzou we got beat off of the edge because Brown didn't step up to help the OL with the angles trying to block faster DEs, Rattler doesn't get sacked that much against Mizzou because he doesn't force himself into as many pressures. Now even against Clemson's terrific DL, our OL allowed one sack all night, they gameplanned to take the run away and we didn't make them pay, and Brown only tried for the deep ball, he didn't have the awareness to try to work underneath, he frequently locked onto a deep route throughout the play, we'd get better from Rattler in that game. The rest of the year the OL was confused on assignments and there's not much more that could've been done. Also, it took most of the year for the coaches to find a left tackle they thought could handle the speed. If the OL plays like late in the season then competent QB play can do a lot to help the pass game, loosen up the defense for the run and force the defenses we face to change how they attack us and then you can get enough feed back from those two playing against each other we could jump into the top 60 offenses, which isn't asking much but would definitely be good for some more wins. Add on top of that how much adding the Duo opened up our run game, imagine what being able to run PA and draws effectively will do. We can be very good with Rattler as long as our OL didn't revert to the way they played vs Kentucky and Georgia which wasn't nearly as much due to talent as it was communication, confusion and assignment troubles.
 
He's better at moving in pocket than anyone we have. If you break down the season, we had different issues at different points. We don't have the talent to matchup with UGA and TAMU, Tennessee isn't more talented but they are a matchup nightmare for us, moving on from there, prior to the BYE week we had major assignment issues where the OL frequently didn't know who they should be blocking, Douglas even shouted at Doty telling Doty to just let him call the projections. Well it seems Douglas was right because with Brown in, he called most of the protections and we didn't always win but we didn't have any OL unengaged. Against Mizzou we got beat off of the edge because Brown didn't step up to help the OL with the angles trying to block faster DEs, Rattler doesn't get sacked that much against Mizzou because he doesn't force himself into as many pressures. Now even against Clemson's terrific DL, our OL allowed one sack all night, they gameplanned to take the run away and we didn't make them pay, and Brown only tried for the deep ball, he didn't have the awareness to try to work underneath, he frequently locked onto a deep route throughout the play, we'd get better from Rattler in that game. The rest of the year the OL was confused on assignments and there's not much more that could've been done. Also, it took most of the year for the coaches to find a left tackle they thought could handle the speed. If the OL plays like late in the season then competent QB play can do a lot to help the pass game, loosen up the defense for the run and force the defenses we face to change how they attack us and then you can get enough feed back from those two playing against each other we could jump into the top 60 offenses, which isn't asking much but would definitely be good for some more wins. Add on top of that how much adding the Duo opened up our run game, imagine what being able to run PA and draws effectively will do. We can be very good with Rattler as long as our OL didn't revert to the way they played vs Kentucky and Georgia which wasn't nearly as much due to talent as it was communication, confusion and assignment troubles.

As you describe, having better qb play helps in every part of the offense, including the running game. Rattler can do so many things that help. His gunslinger capability should let you win some (not all just some) games against teams like UGA and TAMU that have more talent. I would make sure to protect him, either with personnel or play calling (quick passes) against a heavy rush. When he got hit hard in some games his play diminished afterwards in the game. He is the shot in the arm the SC offense needed. Stogner and Samson will amplify his talents.
 
A QB can't beat a blitz if he doesn't have time to get the ball in his hands before he's hit. The play calling also was not designed to throw quick slants or screen plays. They did not have good line play and they should have spread the D line out. You have to change your plays to the performance of the players. If they can't execute it, don't keep running it.
 
As you describe, having better qb play helps in every part of the offense, including the running game. Rattler can do so many things that help. His gunslinger capability should let you win some (not all just some) games against teams like UGA and TAMU that have more talent. I would make sure to protect him, either with personnel or play calling (quick passes) against a heavy rush. When he got hit hard in some games his play diminished afterwards in the game. He is the shot in the arm the SC offense needed. Stogner and Samson will amplify his talents.
I feel like we have enough talent to have a good passing game, but I don't think we have the receivers too really rock a quick game if we can't get some serious complimentary football going, a run game can open up the deep pass and we need to hit the runs and deep pass enough to open up the dink and dunk stuff, which I expect to be the weakest part of our have unless the light comes on in a big way for the likes of Joyner, Ahmarean Brown and Powers, or Samson and some transfers (?) get going.
 
A QB can't beat a blitz if he doesn't have time to get the ball in his hands before he's hit. The play calling also was not designed to throw quick slants or screen plays. They did not have good line play and they should have spread the D line out. You have to change your plays to the performance of the players. If they can't execute it, don't keep running it.
They couldn't open up the quick game because other teams just had to muddy the middle of the field, we tried it quite a few times in the early games but they weren't there.
 
I feel like we have enough talent to have a good passing game, but I don't think we have the receivers too really rock a quick game if we can't get some serious complimentary football going, a run game can open up the deep pass and we need to hit the runs and deep pass enough to open up the dink and dunk stuff, which I expect to be the weakest part of our have unless the light comes on in a big way for the likes of Joyner, Ahmarean Brown and Powers, or Samson and some transfers (?) get going.
SC might benefit from more WR talent. Maybe Rattler will help attract that.
 
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Sure the OL was bad this year. But (hear me out on this), I think part of the poor performance is spread around the whole team. QBs with lead feet and slow reads. RBs that weren’t healthy early on. Play calls catering to underachieving QBs. Receivers who couldn’t get open. QBs who couldn’t get off of the first read. Dropped passes or missed receivers on third downs. It all lead to D coordinators being able to overwhelm the line. And yes, I can think of several flat out whiffs and bad plays by the OL. But…

My hope is that a QB with an arm, making quick decisions, throwing receivers open, will make the OL look better as a group. Fingers crossed I’m right.
Don't forget about to many pre-snap and holding penalties
 
He's better at moving in pocket than anyone we have. If you break down the season, we had different issues at different points. We don't have the talent to matchup with UGA and TAMU, Tennessee isn't more talented but they are a matchup nightmare for us, moving on from there, prior to the BYE week we had major assignment issues where the OL frequently didn't know who they should be blocking, Douglas even shouted at Doty telling Doty to just let him call the projections. Well it seems Douglas was right because with Brown in, he called most of the protections and we didn't always win but we didn't have any OL unengaged. Against Mizzou we got beat off of the edge because Brown didn't step up to help the OL with the angles trying to block faster DEs, Rattler doesn't get sacked that much against Mizzou because he doesn't force himself into as many pressures. Now even against Clemson's terrific DL, our OL allowed one sack all night, they gameplanned to take the run away and we didn't make them pay, and Brown only tried for the deep ball, he didn't have the awareness to try to work underneath, he frequently locked onto a deep route throughout the play, we'd get better from Rattler in that game. The rest of the year the OL was confused on assignments and there's not much more that could've been done. Also, it took most of the year for the coaches to find a left tackle they thought could handle the speed. If the OL plays like late in the season then competent QB play can do a lot to help the pass game, loosen up the defense for the run and force the defenses we face to change how they attack us and then you can get enough feed back from those two playing against each other we could jump into the top 60 offenses, which isn't asking much but would definitely be good for some more wins. Add on top of that how much adding the Duo opened up our run game, imagine what being able to run PA and draws effectively will do. We can be very good with Rattler as long as our OL didn't revert to the way they played vs Kentucky and Georgia which wasn't nearly as much due to talent as it was communication, confusion and assignment troubles.
I think this may be the most intelligent post in the history of Cockytalk! Well done! Very encouraging without any sunshine being pumped!
 
I have never coached an offensive line and honestly can't say that I understand every formation or the new terminology of offensive football. I do know about intensity, focus, effort and heart. I have not seen even one of these from our pusillanimous linemen who have no desire (no matter their size) to initiate physical contact or even get their uniforms dirty. Regardless of coaching or scheme, until we put some contact-loving, bone-rattling, mean suckers in those positions nothing, and I mean nothing, will improve!
POTY…..played oline MANY years ago…terminologies have changed but certain things haven’t…..u nailed it and this is my chief gripe about our line play
 
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He's better at moving in pocket than anyone we have. If you break down the season, we had different issues at different points. We don't have the talent to matchup with UGA and TAMU, Tennessee isn't more talented but they are a matchup nightmare for us, moving on from there, prior to the BYE week we had major assignment issues where the OL frequently didn't know who they should be blocking, Douglas even shouted at Doty telling Doty to just let him call the projections. Well it seems Douglas was right because with Brown in, he called most of the protections and we didn't always win but we didn't have any OL unengaged. Against Mizzou we got beat off of the edge because Brown didn't step up to help the OL with the angles trying to block faster DEs, Rattler doesn't get sacked that much against Mizzou because he doesn't force himself into as many pressures. Now even against Clemson's terrific DL, our OL allowed one sack all night, they gameplanned to take the run away and we didn't make them pay, and Brown only tried for the deep ball, he didn't have the awareness to try to work underneath, he frequently locked onto a deep route throughout the play, we'd get better from Rattler in that game. The rest of the year the OL was confused on assignments and there's not much more that could've been done. Also, it took most of the year for the coaches to find a left tackle they thought could handle the speed. If the OL plays like late in the season then competent QB play can do a lot to help the pass game, loosen up the defense for the run and force the defenses we face to change how they attack us and then you can get enough feed back from those two playing against each other we could jump into the top 60 offenses, which isn't asking much but would definitely be good for some more wins. Add on top of that how much adding the Duo opened up our run game, imagine what being able to run PA and draws effectively will do. We can be very good with Rattler as long as our OL didn't revert to the way they played vs Kentucky and Georgia which wasn't nearly as much due to talent as it was communication, confusion and assignment troubles.
But the communication/confusion… isn’t that a sure sign of inept coaching?
 
But the communication/confusion… isn’t that a sure sign of inept coaching?
Did you miss what I said about the issue resolving with Douglas calling protection? It got cleared up after the bye, I said it wasn't the issue with offense by season's end. What difference does that make on what I was saying?
 
We saw communication/confusion many, many times with Spurrier. Even worse than what we saw this year.

Was he inept?
We've never had players as lost on the OL as we did since I've been following in the Holtz years as they were against UGA. However, I wrote it Atkins before the BYE and I was still very much able to see that coaching resolved that coaching centered issue on the tail end, most people are incapable of changing their minds once made up. I'm ambivalent in what Beamer does with the O staff, I trust he has more knowledge in the situation than I have. I would've been marching to support firing Atkins prior to UF and I still think if Beamer trusts Satt than I want to see what he's capable of year two.
 
I looked over the stats on all of our linemen — especially our underclassmen. These guys are HUGE — up to 6’ 6” 345 lbs. Do they lack competitive strength, footwork? Was the blocking scheme too confusing? Trying to understand why teams like Mizzou clogged all the running lanes and constantly had a straight shot to the qb. It wasn’t that they lacked size.
Honestly, in the SEC most teams have the ability to take the run away. If you're one dimensional, that's really bad for you. Almost every team we played decided they would make us try to beat them by passing. It was our glaring deficiency.
 
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