Is not a longterm winner. Yes it worked against us, but their offense is like the knuckleball, sooner or later it stops fooling everybody.
Tennessee's offense....
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I think the sports media just recycles its articles about Tennessee head coaches every few years and changes the names. They heap praise on every UT coach that comes in and wins 7 or 8 games in his 1st or 2nd year and declare that the Vols are turning the corner again. They enter the next year a preseason top 15 team. Then, like clock work, that guy is looking for a new job in 3 or 4 years.
Huepel might be the guy that returns Tennessee to their former glory, but I'm not seeing it yet.
Huepel might be the guy that returns Tennessee to their former glory, but I'm not seeing it yet.
I don't think it just fooled us, they matched to really well against us in that their strengths offensively naturally hit our weaknesses defensively. Agreed it's not a long term winner and with how our CBs played by season's end we'd probably play press with wide set safeties and take away their biggest strength and just live with whatever happens with them running.
You can’t be serious. Oklahoma from the last 20 years just called....it still works.
Not the same offense that guy them to the playoffs and no one runs the hurry up and receivers screens that much anymore because it wasn't a long term winner. You don't believe me look up Fedora who did the same stuff and was supposed to be the future of offensive football
The sad part is that the refs helped Purdue win the game - that call of 4th down was just bad - i.e. whistle the play dead with the player NOT on the ground.
I've always found the pace to be the temporary aspect. Teams run the hurry up less as they get more talented. (Or at least use it more sparingly)
Only fitting they lose like that. I hate UT with a passion. Their coach should have kicked the field goal and lived to fight another day.
Agreed, but it was the "forward progress" judgement call.
I was wondering if the vol receiver reaching back ad dragging the rb was still a foul? I know you can push piles, but I didn't think you can pull the ball carrier.
Then the refs have to tell Heupel the play is over because they blew the whistle. Why not just swallow the whistle there and allow the review?
You can say that, but they actually scored that TD. It was a tough one because he looked down and wasn't gaining. But I'm on board with your hatred.
I mean, that dink and dunk crap doesn't work as well as it did 10 years ago, they do good downfield but that's because teams have to pick between defending that in the sideline to successive crap, but the good defenses ALWAYS handle that like we did against UNC in 2013. Gimmick offense with admittedly very good players, but they have volunteered for a low absolute ceiling and will realize that in a few years life everytime they dink and dunk crap has been tried.
We're coming to the place where only winning the national championship can save this postseason for the SEC. The prospect seems more tenuous than it did a few weeks back.
They should have won it in regular time. Instead of a short or medium pass they went for a homerun and ended up with a 56 yard field goal attempt. You can always try to focus on one play but Heupel pulls a bone-headed call at least 3 times a game. I give him 3 years when this gimmick crap fades.
Well, for that matter, Purdue should have won it in regulation. Both defenses were pretty awful. Refs still should get the calls right. Should have swallowed the whistle there and let review decide.
Well Tennessee was driving with the ball and less than a minute. We could dial this thing back to the first quarter if you like, but SC is the only SEC bowl winner and Tennessee is the orange evil empire.
Agreed - two homerun attempts ate up a clock for time that they did not have vs. just getting into decent field goal range.
Its taken him several years at Purdue, but he definitely seems to have them back on track now. (pun intended)
I agree with you. All Tennessee had to do was run the ball a couple of times and try a shorter fuel gold and they probably win without overtime. I was just telling a friend of mine the same thing. And then they make the questionable call of going for it on 4th down twice in overtime and it ends up biting them in the ass. That coach is coaching like he's still at a mid-major somewhere.
I hear you. Hate them. But refs need to make the right call no matter what.
Its not the whistle that counts, its when the side judge begins running toward the line waving his arms back and forth in the air.
I thought his progress was stopped. It was very clear actually. His legs were moving a little, but you can’t just give a guy forever to get them back under him so he can push more.
And his progress was stopped until the receiver illegally pulled him forward - still illegal to pull even if you can push.
And his progress was stopped until the receiver illegally pulled him forward - still illegal to pull even if you can push.
Debateable. I thought his progress had been completely stopped until his WR attempted to pull him into the end zone.
Would it be debatable if they blew the whistle on us when our RB was not down, essentially handing the game to the other team?
It has happened to us....and every other team. It's happened before the ball carrier has "fumbled" the ball. Once forward progress has been stopped, the referee will stop the play.
I will almost guarantee that it has happened to us at some point where it impacted the game. The rule doesn't change based on what point of the game you are in.
Lol....uh...it most certainly is. AR ...you take what the defense gives you. Pre snap reads exist...but a lot of post snap on fly reads vs covg. They are looking for numbers and grass. If you have any question if it’s a gimmick or not....see our game vs UT this year. Looked like we were a JR. High team.
Fedora didn’t run Air Raid. He was spread sure...not the same thing. Reality vs BSing.
How many thousands of times has a player been stood up at the line and then surged forward or was pushed by his OL for a TD? This happens all the time because he's not down yet. This is essentially the same thing except they blew the whistle on it. I must agree to disagree. When the game is literally on the line they should let it play out.
Okay. As I previously said....it's debateable. It is a judgment call. I thought the ref made the right call, you did not....and that is okay.
but he wasn’t pushed, he was pulled which is illegal.
And in those cases when they are pushed in, their stopped progress usually isn’t so clearly visible and they aren’t sideways on the ground.
I guess I can accept that explanation. I just rewatched it and see what you mean. On the other hand he still was not down and extended his own arm. I'd like to hear the explanation from the refs, but that won't happen.
They don't run hurry-up, they use more presnap motion, they don't do that dink and dunk and their game against all of our weaknesses and short-comings is indidcative of nothing. Riley doesn't run a pure Air-Raid and hasn't since he's been at OU and that dink and dunk stuff where half of their passing attack is behind the line and trying to make someone miss is what Fedora did and is a principle of older AR offenses and the reason you don't see it emphasized as much is because fast and physical secondaries eat it up like modern defenses do the triple option. What has stuck from the revolution that was the AR is challenging the entire field, our offense is designed to do that too but with a more zone heavy run attack. You act like the AR hasn't changed in 20 years, that other base offenses haven't evolved and like a true AR has ever had sustained success against the cream of the crop in SEC defenses. Three or four passing concepts you execute regardless what coverage the other team is, break neck hurry-up, dink and dunk behind the line passing game and a running game based on draws and the occasional option have failed consistently in the SEC, which is why Mike Leach doesn't even run it the same way he did at Texas Tech. Add on top of that how badly it failed at TAMU once they didn't have Johnny FB to run it, how Kentucky combined it with a power run game and still had to bring in a pro-coach to try to generate a passing game and the inconsistency of MSST and I think it's pretty plain that the way to have lasting power is to borrow from it, not live in it.
Either way its not a touchdown. Either his forward progress was stoped or it’s a penalty for him being pulled into the end zone.
