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The number of articles I'm reading that treat SOS's imminent retirement...

Like it or not, some schools will never be a power in football. In Big 10, there is Indiana, Illinois and Purdue, in the SEC there is Vandy, Kentucky, Miss and yes us. We may have a few good years ever now and then, but we will never be a consistent contender for the title. We just can not recruit year after year to be at the top. We will always be a 6,7 or 8 win a year team, with winning 8 or 9 a real good year. That is us, a school in a small state that does not have good high school football, with the exception of a few high schools.
SC is number 25 in population. Go look at the list. You'll be surprised who SC is larger than.
 
Alabama and Louisiana are small states, too. South Carolina has a bigger population than Louisiana and will soon (if not already) have a bigger population than Alabama. Negative Nellies, all aboard the train for Pickens County, please.

Yeah they are both small states but the point was that high school football is 10 times better in those states then here......Never will have the recruits in this state to compete year after year...
 
as a fait accompli is now 100%. The subject is no longer if and when he will retire, it's what will USC do AFTER he retires. It's done, you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. How can we recruit like this?

I am the last person to think SOS is washed up, but he can't do his job if we can't get players. Whether he's "lost it" or not, we have to start thinking about the transition and the sooner the better.

Spurrier should have quit after the 2013 season, as he certainly didn't exert any effort last year (except looking foolish by running off at the mouth).

We need to hire Chip Kelly.
 
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Spurrier should have quit after the 2013 season, as he certainly didn't exert any effort last year (except looking foolish by running off at the mouth).

We need to hire Chip Kelly.
Fresh back from your ban ? One message and a 2009 join date says....yes you are....Hey, didn't we start a good ole fashion clemsux smack down for several years in 2009....yes you can say we did...
 
as a fait accompli is now 100%. The subject is no longer if and when he will retire, it's what will USC do AFTER he retires. It's done, you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. How can we recruit like this?

I am the last person to think SOS is washed up, but he can't do his job if we can't get players. Whether he's "lost it" or not, we have to start thinking about the transition and the sooner the better.

I guess since baseball is over, it's time for you folks to turn your pessimism and negative attitudes towards football. This place is a hoot.
 
uh, they did, and I don't have to imagine what they looked like. I was there, and they were no different than they are today - we had a bunch of unhappy, realistic people who knew what needed to be done, and we had a bunch of intolerant sunshine pumpers telling them to shut up and go back to Clemson.
I remember some magical moments on radio during Fat Brad's last season. It was no different than here on FGF. There were the fans that realized the guy was over his head and needed to go immediately. Meanwhile, Phil would have callers reading off the same script as the pumpers on here. "The boys are just soooo young. Coach Scott is a good man and good coach. He needs another year." Or "Coach Scott has a national championship ring and won our first bowl! He has forgotten more about football than these complainers. I still have faith he'll get it done."

Hilarious. A couple years later we were still paying that bum to coach at Clemson.
 
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Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think it was called FGF back then. I just remember it referred to as the Baileys board.

But it wasn't much different then. The mantra was "trust your coaches". My favorite was "Stand with Brad", a variation on a scene in Jerry Maguire (popular at the time). I still get a laugh from that one.
 
Like it or not, some schools will never be a power in football. In Big 10, there is Indiana, Illinois and Purdue, in the SEC there is Vandy, Kentucky, Miss and yes us. We may have a few good years ever now and then, but we will never be a consistent contender for the title. We just can not recruit year after year to be at the top. We will always be a 6,7 or 8 win a year team, with winning 8 or 9 a real good year. That is us, a school in a small state that does not have good high school football, with the exception of a few high schools.


And right on cue.........Basses enters the thread trying to cast his always gloom and doom net. Of course, stealth taters always post from the same playbook. They still think they have an effect on recruiting and turning players away from SC. Basses, does Andy have sleep overs at your house?
 
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I remember some magical moments on radio during Fat Brad's last season. It was no different than here on FGF. There were the fans that realized the guy was over his head and needed to go immediately. Meanwhile, Phil would have callers reading off the same script as the pumpers on here. "The boys are just soooo young. Coach Scott is a good man and good coach. He needs another year." Or "Coach Scott has a national championship ring and won our first bowl! He has forgotten more about football than these complainers. I still have faith he'll get it done."

Hilarious. A couple years later we were still paying that bum to coach at Clemson.

Yeah, SOS's possible retirement one day is very similar to Fat Brad's tenure............I think I've heard it all now. We were a few plays away from another 11 win season last year, but SOS has destroyed our program. Got it. The amount of stupid on this board never ceases to amaze. I still find it comical that someone can turn every thread into a "sunshine pumper vs so called realist thread."
 
Yeah, SOS's possible retirement one day is very similar to Fat Brad's tenure............I think I've heard it all now. We were a few plays away from another 11 win season last year, but SOS has destroyed our program. Got it. The amount of stupid on this board never ceases to amaze. I still find it comical that someone can turn every thread into a "sunshine pumper vs so called realist thread."

I'm with you tngamecock. Do people realize how hard it is to win in the SEC? Unless you have a top notch coach and the recruiting pull of an Alabama or a Florida, you're going to have a down year every few years. It even happens to teams like LSU and Georgia. To expect us to win 11 games every year is a bit much. We're a strong program, but we're still building our brand. What Spurrier has accomplished here is tremendous. Let's give SOS a chance to get us back up near the top, finish his career strong (whether that be 3, 5 or 10 years) and set up the next guy to continue the success.
 
Yeah, SOS's possible retirement one day is very similar to Fat Brad's tenure............I think I've heard it all now. We were a few plays away from another 11 win season last year, but SOS has destroyed our program. Got it. The amount of stupid on this board never ceases to amaze. I still find it comical that someone can turn every thread into a "sunshine pumper vs so called realist thread."

And the so called realist only base this on Clemson's recruiting ranking being higher than ours currently and we've destroyed them 5 of the last 6 years on the football season.

The haters only hope Steve retires soon because the painful losses he has inflicted on them is intolerable....
 
Like it or not, some schools will never be a power in football. In Big 10, there is Indiana, Illinois and Purdue, in the SEC there is Vandy, Kentucky, Miss and yes us. We may have a few good years ever now and then, but we will never be a consistent contender for the title. We just can not recruit year after year to be at the top. We will always be a 6,7 or 8 win a year team, with winning 8 or 9 a real good year. That is us, a school in a small state that does not have good high school football, with the exception of a few high schools.
Explains Clemson's success at recruiting then. They're in the same small state, and they recruit in the wimpy ACC.
 
and thats another thing - most of the articles I've seen are assuming that the best we'll be able to do after SOS is to get one of the current crop of high profile assistants. I mean come on, our last two coaching hires were Steve Freaking Spurrier and Lou Freaking Holtz. What do they think this is - the 80s?

After the debacle that was the 2003 season, I saw a lot of blog comments that said we had reached our pinnacle in 2001 with the second Outback Bowl victory. That we should forget about it ... we'd never get any better or further than Lou Holtz could take us. Many of these comments from our own fans -- one of them worked for a major network.

Well, I guess everybody knows the future.
 
Yeah, SOS's possible retirement one day is very similar to Fat Brad's tenure............I think I've heard it all now. We were a few plays away from another 11 win season last year, but SOS has destroyed our program. Got it. The amount of stupid on this board never ceases to amaze. I still find it comical that someone can turn every thread into a "sunshine pumper vs so called realist thread."

Yes, there's a lot of stupid on this board. And irony, too.

Here's a little cheat sheet for you, since you're not too good at reading for context: I at no point compared SOS to Brad Scott. I was responding to another post about the 1990's and having a laugh about Fat Brad's last year. And aside from a couple of tater trolls, who the hell is suggesting we fire Spurrier?

And if you think we were a "few plays" from winning 11 games last season, you're on a level all by yourself. Yeah, there's that irony again.
 
Spurrier will never put us in a position where he will have to be fired. He will walk away. He almost did in January. And that is nothing but the truth no matter how you spin it. There isn't really much we can do about our situation except stand tight and wait it out. Whatever bad seasons may come our way with are just going to have to take it like we have taken it for decades.
 
as a fait accompli is now 100%. The subject is no longer if and when he will retire, it's what will USC do AFTER he retires. It's done, you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. How can we recruit like this?

I am the last person to think SOS is washed up, but he can't do his job if we can't get players. Whether he's "lost it" or not, we have to start thinking about the transition and the sooner the better.


No one can 'do the job' without good players, recruiting is the key to winning, much more so than coaching. It's AFTER you have the talent when it's actually decided who's the best coach.

Comparing SOS to BBowden at this stage of his coaching career misses the mark by nearly a decade ... Bowden was still WINNING and winning BIG when he was 70 ... Bowden's 'slide' didn't really start until his late 70's. SOS certainly has 3-4 more good years IF he wants 'em ... but that's a Q. he alone can answer.

The three L's we suffered after being up at least 14 in the 4th last season still has people reeling. This year's record will determine what happens next season. The HBC ain't gonna' stick around winning 7 or 8 games ... he can't stand it. We got socked by Clemson for the first time in a LONG while in '14 ... but beat 'em again in '15, win our bowl and end up with 9-10 wins will be a decent year. Lose to Clemson and end with single-digit wins and it'll be SOS who opts-out.

After those 3 'oops' last season more than ever I take 'em one at the time now. First, let's beat UNC in Charlotte.
 
Honestly, I'm about ready for it to happen. I have nothing but utmost respect and appreciation for what the OBC has accomplished at SC, but I'm ready for some fresh blood, preferably a young up and comer.
 
Just out of curiosity, when SOS retires (be it at the end of the season or 5 years) who would y'all realistically like to hire. Or do you think Home is a de facto HCIW depending on his performance in years to come?
 
Coach K at Duke is as old as SOS and nobody is going bananas over his age. ????
I'm going to guess that this is sarcasm and not serious. On the chance it is serious it's a ridiculous comparison.

A football coach needs to recruit 20 or so guys to play 4 or 5 years each February. For him at 70 to say he'll only be around 2 or years is a big deal for the ones he recruits. For Coach K, who really selects one and done superstars and a couple of role players each year, to say the same thing is no big deal at all. In fact, it might even be a selling point for some young ego who wants to send him out on top.
 
Dude, what it has to do with your post is, it doesn't matter who comes in after Spurrier. We will always be a middle of the pack team. And the we will never recruit the top athletes because after all, we are USC in a small state.........and by the way Spurrier is just sliding by and buying time.
Steve Spurrier can beat anybody on any game day any when the it is believed he has less talent. He can take players he did not recruit and beat a team about to win a BCS Championship.

http://m.youtube.com/channel/UCYE2M4ZD0VJkRofWgJCwzQA
 
Yes, there's a lot of stupid on this board. And irony, too.

And if you think we were a "few plays" from winning 11 games last season, you're on a level all by yourself. Yeah, there's that irony again.

Wow...........how do you argue with someone who can't comprehend last year. Did you watch a game, any game????? Our defense sucked, but what would you call our position late in the KY, Mizzou, UT, and even Auburn game? I guess in your world, we were blown out. Up 14 with 5 minutes to go vs UT.....I'd say yeah, we were a few plays away from winning that one (defensive plays that is)......I could go on, but arguing with incompetence is pointless. By the way, insert UK/Mizzou/AU in the above sentence, and it was about the same possible result. We were a few plays away but didn't finish the deal b/c our D was so bad. Improved D, and we would have won 11 games. Hard stuff to comprehend I know.
 
Yeah they are both small states but the point was that high school football is 10 times better in those states then here......Never will have the recruits in this state to compete year after year...
SC is actually well known around the country as one of the best HS football states. We produce pro football players at a crazy rate per capita. We are almost always in the top three states each year for most NFL players per capita. See the following articles:
http://www.nola.com/lsu/index.ssf/2014/09/louisiana_has_the_most_players.html
http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/blue-chip/daddy-where-do-nfl-players-come-from-101414
 
Wow...........how do you argue with someone who can't comprehend last year. Did you watch a game, any game????? Our defense sucked, but what would you call our position late in the KY, Mizzou, UT, and even Auburn game? I guess in your world, we were blown out. Up 14 with 5 minutes to go vs UT.....I'd say yeah, we were a few plays away from winning that one (defensive plays that is)......I could go on, but arguing with incompetence is pointless. By the way, insert UK/Mizzou/AU in the above sentence, and it was about the same possible result. We were a few plays away but didn't finish the deal b/c our D was so bad. Improved D, and we would have won 11 games. Hard stuff to comprehend I know.

Uh huh, Tennessee, you're very persuasive. Except that cuts both ways. In case you forgot, we were also a few plays from winning five games.

And to say that if only half the team was better, then the season would have turned out differently has to be one the silliest things I've read on here in a long time. I'm filing that brilliant insight under "No friggin kidding, genius."

PS: I'm not sure you know what incompetence means. And how you argue with it is even more confusing.
 
Here's a thought for the fearful out there. How many games do you think we win last year if Jon Hoke is running our defense. I know we have not seen him coach here, but he's well-respected as an X's and O's coach which is really what we need. Honestly.....I think we at least go 9-3 last year or possibly 10-2 if we had beat Auburn. Worst case scenario I think would be 8-4 and that would include a loss to Florida because I'm not sure that finish could be ever be repeated! I really think this year will be about how far Connor Mitch and/or the OL can take us. I think the defense will look completely different. Just need Mitch to play reasonably well and we can have a good year.
 
No one can 'do the job' without good players, recruiting is the key to winning, much more so than coaching. It's AFTER you have the talent when it's actually decided who's the best coach.

Comparing SOS to BBowden at this stage of his coaching career misses the mark by nearly a decade ... Bowden was still WINNING and winning BIG when he was 70 ... Bowden's 'slide' didn't really start until his late 70's. SOS certainly has 3-4 more good years IF he wants 'em ... but that's a Q. he alone can answer.

The three L's we suffered after being up at least 14 in the 4th last season still has people reeling. This year's record will determine what happens next season. The HBC ain't gonna' stick around winning 7 or 8 games ... he can't stand it. We got socked by Clemson for the first time in a LONG while in '14 ... but beat 'em again in '15, win our bowl and end up with 9-10 wins will be a decent year. Lose to Clemson and end with single-digit wins and it'll be SOS who opts-out.

After those 3 'oops' last season more than ever I take 'em one at the time now. First, let's beat UNC in Charlotte.
those 3 games were not oops's. We were doomed to lose those games because our defense couldn't stop a snail. Don't talk about those games like they were ones we should have won because they are not. We lost those games because we had a team that wasn't good enough, not because of bad luck.
 
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