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This state flag really sucks! Why change??? Waste of money to redesign the flag...

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This state flag really sucks! Why change??? Wasted money to redesign the flag...


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This state flag really sucks! Why change??? Wasted money to redesign the flag...


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Charlie Browns Christmas tree?
 
I was kind of surprised that we don’t have an “official” flag.
 
The palmetto tree they designed looks like it’s dying. Did our tax dollars pay a for this flag history redesign “committee”?
 
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There were several versions to pick from and some more historic than this one. Why they picked the one with ugliest fronds is beyond me.
 
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Actually the concept artist was Ellen Heyward Jervey from Charleston. She drew it in 1910. She has not as yet filed for compensation...
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I was referring to the changes on the tree itself, not the overall background and color. Look above and you will see the original.
 
No matter what is current, or what they design, I am sure that someone will find a reason to be offended and want it banned.
 
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This state flag really sucks! Why change??? Wasted money to redesign the flag...


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Looks like it was scribbled by a 10 year old.
 
This state flag really sucks! Why change??? Wasted money to redesign the flag...


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The answer to your question from sources is, that the design has never been standardized, so the graphic rendering of the palmetto tree, the crescent, even the color of the field has been depicted in various forms and ways by everyone. If you just google "South Carolina state flag", you'll see countless variations.

So the state government decided to make a standard for the flag, so it would always look the same.

But I agree the rendering of the tree looks pretty bad.
 
I liked it the way it was. What was wrong with it?
ZACKLY!!! Talk about a totally unnecessary "alteration"!!!

And this (i.e. the below C&P text from page 6 of THIS link**) herein as a fitting compliment in regards to our previous (i.e. prior to the 2020 redesign fiasco) flag design/layout, that certainly does not apply to the latest BS alteration...

The palmetto tree represents the “Palmetto State” far better than the state’s seal could. The crescent is in the position of honor.

Here's the latest TOTALLY CRAP altered version...

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The layout prior to the directly above mistake, and our BEST version IMHOFWIW...

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The initial/original Fort Moultrie layout...

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The Gorget...

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Various versions of our basic State Flag Layout...

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A link to a collection of various versions of the original layout as-well-as a few additional stuff.

Anyway, all that above is just a vent from yours truly here! In closing, I seriously hope that things are properly "re-adjusted" before finalizing the latest altered/screwed-up version of our official flag!!

Peace,
Gaim
 
ZACKLY!!! Talk about a totally unnecessary "alteration"!!!

And this (i.e. the below C&P text from page 6 of THIS link**) herein as a fitting compliment in regards to our previous (i.e. prior to the 2020 redesign fiasco) flag design/layout, that certainly does not apply to the latest BS alteration...

The palmetto tree represents the “Palmetto State” far better than the state’s seal could. The crescent is in the position of honor.

Here's the latest TOTALLY CRAP altered version...

d8cf5c37-d591-4fab-8fb1-bc65a09d6a09-smallScale_SCFlagStudyCommitteeRecommendedDesignforOfficialsSCStateFlagProvided.JPG


The layout prior to the directly above mistake, and our BEST version IMHOFWIW...

sc-flag-970x545.png


The initial/original Fort Moultrie layout...

flag-of-fort-moultrie.jpg


The Gorget...

gorget2-768x802.jpg


Various versions of our basic State Flag Layout...

various-state-flags2-768x597.jpg


A link to a collection of various versions of the original layout as-well-as a few additional stuff.

Anyway, all that above is just a vent from yours truly here! In closing, I seriously hope that things are properly "re-adjusted" before finalizing the latest altered/screwed-up version of our official flag!!

Peace,
Gaim
I believe the one on the top right is the one I grew up with and recognize. I could be mistaken. At least, it depicts the most "together" tree. The latest revision is putrid.
 
Crescent is Gorget

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Bull Family Crest
South Carolina’s “palmetto flag” was officially made the state banner in 1861. The crescent and tree symbolize the defense of Charleston in 1776, shortly after the colony of South Carolina had declared its independence from England. Troops wearing the crescent symbol on their caps built a fort of palmetto logs overlooking the city’s harbor entrance on Sullivan’s Island, and their famous victory over the British on June 28, 1776 was largely attributed to the soft palmetto core that absorbed and smothered English cannonballs.

Although the crescent is recognized to be a symbol of the troops and not the moon, some disagreement persists as to its origin.

From what I have found, there seems to be little doubt that it is the “gorget.” The motif was derived from the throat plate of the medieval knight in armor, and during the 18th century became popular with King George II as a military symbol worn around the necks of English officers. One of South Carolina’s staunch loyalists was William Bull, who was named Lt. Governor by King George in 1755, and who personally designed the uniforms of a newly-reorganized South Carolina militia in 1760, adding the gorget symbol to their caps.

Bull’s own family crescent includes the gorget symbol and it was he who commissioned William Moultrie as an officer of the 2nd South Carolina regiment. Moultrie is credited with designing a crescent flag as a symbol of his troops in 1775, and he later wrote that it conformed to the crescent symbol worn on their caps.

This chain of evidence far outweighs anything that can be offered in opposition to this theory, and why I firmly stand by the research that proves the crescent comes from the gorget. Some confusion has been caused by the fact that the crescent on the state flag was tilted in the 1890’s to resemble the moon. Fortunately, one of the original flgas (and perhaps THE original state flag) still exists from the 1860’s. This large banner features a crescent straight up and down in the manner of the gorget. Ironically, this flag was stolen from the state capitol in Columbia in 1865 by Iowa troops under Sherman, who burned and ransacked that city. It is still kept at the Historical Society of Iowa, which should be willing to give back the property of a sister state (after all Iowa, wasn’t the Union “preserved” by those troops?) Thus far, no offering from Iowa, so the old flag remains in limbo.

 
How many of you are aware that a business partner of Steve Spurrier patented his own version of the state flag, licenced it to the University, and the Athletic Department was, and may still be, paying royalties to him to use our own state flag on our merch, football field, etc?
 
Crescent is Gorget

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Bull Family Crest
South Carolina’s “palmetto flag” was officially made the state banner in 1861. The crescent and tree symbolize the defense of Charleston in 1776, shortly after the colony of South Carolina had declared its independence from England. Troops wearing the crescent symbol on their caps built a fort of palmetto logs overlooking the city’s harbor entrance on Sullivan’s Island, and their famous victory over the British on June 28, 1776 was largely attributed to the soft palmetto core that absorbed and smothered English cannonballs.

Although the crescent is recognized to be a symbol of the troops and not the moon, some disagreement persists as to its origin.

From what I have found, there seems to be little doubt that it is the “gorget.” The motif was derived from the throat plate of the medieval knight in armor, and during the 18th century became popular with King George II as a military symbol worn around the necks of English officers. One of South Carolina’s staunch loyalists was William Bull, who was named Lt. Governor by King George in 1755, and who personally designed the uniforms of a newly-reorganized South Carolina militia in 1760, adding the gorget symbol to their caps.

Bull’s own family crescent includes the gorget symbol and it was he who commissioned William Moultrie as an officer of the 2nd South Carolina regiment. Moultrie is credited with designing a crescent flag as a symbol of his troops in 1775, and he later wrote that it conformed to the crescent symbol worn on their caps.

This chain of evidence far outweighs anything that can be offered in opposition to this theory, and why I firmly stand by the research that proves the crescent comes from the gorget. Some confusion has been caused by the fact that the crescent on the state flag was tilted in the 1890’s to resemble the moon. Fortunately, one of the original flgas (and perhaps THE original state flag) still exists from the 1860’s. This large banner features a crescent straight up and down in the manner of the gorget. Ironically, this flag was stolen from the state capitol in Columbia in 1865 by Iowa troops under Sherman, who burned and ransacked that city. It is still kept at the Historical Society of Iowa, which should be willing to give back the property of a sister state (after all Iowa, wasn’t the Union “preserved” by those troops?) Thus far, no offering from Iowa, so the old flag remains in limbo.

I suspect it is likely based on a gorget, for military reasons. However, the Bull arms are reflecting a genealogical crescent, not a gorget. A mark of difference from the bearer of the same arms without a crescent. The crescent indicates an arms used by a second son. The father bears the undifferenced arms, and the first son inherits the undifferenced arms from the father. If the first son died before having a son of his own, the second son inherits the original arms.

I seriously think it a realistic possibility the crescent was used as a mark of "difference" from the Brits. But the military aspect of the gorget is a more logical speculation. I just wonder why a gorget mounted on their caps? The gorget was completely ornamental by the time of the Rev. War. It would make more sense to wear an ornamental gorget around the neck on a chain, like Gen. George Washington did (albeit a simpler version like mounted on the cap above).

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BTW, I think the best looking Palmetto flag belonged to a SC confederate regiment that was on display at the Confederate Relic Room at the State Museum.
 
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The Citadel's Big Red captured during the Civil War but finally returned looks garnet. A nicer palmetto tree and unusual inverted gorget.

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In the early 90’s we had a license plate that had a healthy palmetto, but they shortened it to make it fit. The net result was that the palmetto looked like a mushroom cloud from a nuclear explosion.
 
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I suspect it is likely based on a gorget, for military reasons. However, the Bull arms are reflecting a genealogical crescent, not a gorget. A mark of difference from the bearer of the same arms without a crescent. The crescent indicates an arms used by a second son. The father bears the undifferenced arms, and the first son inherits the undifferenced arms from the father. If the first son died before having a son of his own, the second son inherits the original arms.

I seriously think it a realistic possibility the crescent was used as a mark of "difference" from the Brits. But the military aspect of the gorget is a more logical speculation. I just wonder why a gorget mounted on their caps? The gorget was completely ornamental by the time of the Rev. War. It would make more sense to wear an ornamental gorget around the neck on a chain, like Gen. George Washington did (albeit a simpler version like mounted on the cap above).

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BTW, I think the best looking Palmetto flag belonged to a SC confederate regiment that was on display at the Confederate Relic Room at the State Museum.


Not a crescent, its a gorget on the Bull's coat of arms. I think William Bull was the first SC Lt Governor as an english colony and the soldiers wore the the Bull's gorget on their head gear. whatever you want to call it.

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