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When Do Excuses Stop for Martin?He Recruited Every Schollie Player on Team

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I'm rooting for Frank, but at what point do the excuses stop for him? He recruited EVERY SINGLE scholarship player on USC's roster, none of which can effectively shoot the basketball.

USC is in danger of losing back-to-back games to 1st year coaches. What's Frank's excuse in his 3rd year?
 
When do the excuses stop? Not for a few years so quit wasting your time worrying about it. There will be no next better option.
 
Teams play zone and just eat our lunch... Cuban train wreck needs to end...
 
But but but.... He is supposed to have all these AAU and recruiting connections.

The guy was dirty in high school, rode Huggins coattails, and has never had to build a team from bottom up and made it a winner.
 
Out of the 4 players he signed before the season started only one is playing significant minutes in Stroman. Sheppard has been injured and is now playing. Blanton is out for the season. Thompson never enrolled. Blanton would've provided some scoring from the outside.
 
We aren't good. Nothing new there.


Martin's job is safe for now. He'll be gone like the rest of them in another few years when he's struggling to make the NIT.
 
Extremely valid questions. At some point, he has to start producing in SEC play. All I see are mounting losses. 10-31 in SEC play since arriving.
 
Originally posted by Sending an SOS:
Give the man 5 good years. Until then, why can't you just be patient and see what happens?
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Gamecock basketball fans are nothing if not patient.
 
Originally posted by Sending an SOS:
Give the man 5 good years. Until then, why can't you just be patient and see what happens?
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This

I have never seen so many so called fans moan and complain so much in all my life as I have seen this year.

It must be the new vogue thing to do is crap on your team. Doesn't matter what team just pick a sport.

Baseball get ready!
 
There is no excuses for it. It's just everyone's favorite line. "It is what it is." We are definitely better than last year though.
 
Originally posted by johnnyplaid:
Honest question, does the team look better, worse or same as last 2 years?
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a bit better I guess. Next year is the year, I want to see big improvment or it's Frank's Red Hot Seat time.
 
Originally posted by ReadR00ster:

Originally posted by johnnyplaid:
Honest question, does the team look better, worse or same as last 2 years?

Posted from Rivals Mobile
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a bit better I guess. Next year is the year, I want to see big improvment or it's Frank's Red Hot Seat time.
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Pretty much this. Hopefully Blanton can come back from his injury. That one hurt, big time. Also, Silva and Dozier are Top-100 guys.

BUT, if Notice and Thornwell don't step it up, they'll be just as bad next year.
 
Yeah. Let's fire him!!!!!!

And replace him with whom? This is one stupid post. Frustration is one thing. But "when do we stop making excuses about" is something else. Because the answer to the rhetorical question is always that we need to get rid of the coach. I'm nowhere near that point. Is the OP? I seriously doubt it. But high emotions can easily overwhelm low intellect.
 
We might be better- or not.

SEC record is awful and that doesn't look to be getting any better.
 
Originally posted by Rollerdude123:
We might be better- or not.

SEC record is awful and that doesn't look to be getting any better.
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The games are more competitive if our record is not. That counts for something when looking toward the future.
 
Other teams get better too. But we keep losing in conference.

auburn and Ut have first year coaches. auburn's program was a dumpster fire all off season but they found a way to beat us.
Originally posted by ReadR00ster:

The games are more competitive if our record is not. That counts for something when looking toward the future.
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Let's see if we can pull out a close loss against Kentucky. lol. Sorry guys but we are still taking the moral victories this year.
 
Originally posted by ReadR00ster:

Originally posted by Rollerdude123:
We might be better- or not.

SEC record is awful and that doesn't look to be getting any better.
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The games are more competitive if our record is not. That counts for something when looking toward the future.
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Actually the games aren't more competitive.

Through Frank's first 5 SEC games three years ago, USC was getting outscored by 1.8 points per game (-9 point differential).

Through our first 5 SEC games in 2015, USC is getting outscored by 5 points per game (-25 pt differential).
 
Originally posted by ipull4usc:

Originally posted by ReadR00ster:

Originally posted by Rollerdude123:
We might be better- or not.

SEC record is awful and that doesn't look to be getting any better.
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The games are more competitive if our record is not. That counts for something when looking toward the future.
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Actually the games aren't more competitive.

Through Frank's first 5 SEC games three years ago, USC was getting outscored by 1.8 points per game (-9 point differential).

Through our first 5 SEC games in 2015, USC is getting outscored by 5 points per game (-25 pt differential).
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I don't care how much we win by I only care how much we lose by. I want to see a team that is hanging in games and not quitting. I am not going to just count the SEC games to evaluate the team, sorry.
 
Listen, all of the players I trashed last year and said we would never win with them have gotten better this year. But I was still right when I said that we can never win them. The guys Martin recruited in his first year were not good enough, period. He needs more time to recruit. He is slowly getting a few players a year that are actually SEC caliber.

This post was edited on 1/20 11:41 PM by ReadR00ster
 
Originally posted by ReadR00ster:

Originally posted by ipull4usc:

Originally posted by ReadR00ster:

Originally posted by Rollerdude123:
We might be better- or not.

SEC record is awful and that doesn't look to be getting any better.
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The games are more competitive if our record is not. That counts for something when looking toward the future.
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Actually the games aren't more competitive.

Through Frank's first 5 SEC games three years ago, USC was getting outscored by 1.8 points per game (-9 point differential).

Through our first 5 SEC games in 2015, USC is getting outscored by 5 points per game (-25 pt differential).
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I don't care how much we win by I only care how much we lose by. I want to see a team that is hanging in games and not quitting. I am not going to just count the SEC games to evaluate the team, sorry.
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Sorry to keep hammering this point, but just going by "how much we lose by," we lost our first 4 SEC games by 18 total points in Frank's 1st year. This year we've lost our first 4 SEC games by 27 total points. The margin of victory in SEC losses hasn't improved...it's actually gotten worse.

I remember folks saying in Frank's 1st year that we were improved from Horn' tenure because of how close we were losing games. Did anyone honestly expect to be saying the exact same thing in Frank's 3rd year?
 
That is a very low standard.

Conference is what matters. Ask Frank Martin about that.
Originally posted by ReadR00ster:

I don't care how much we win by I only care how much we lose by. I want to see a team that is hanging in games and not quitting. I am not going to just count the SEC games to evaluate the team, sorry.
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Originally posted by ipull4usc:
Originally posted by ReadR00ster:

Originally posted by ipull4usc:

Originally posted by ReadR00ster:

Originally posted by Rollerdude123:
We might be better- or not.

SEC record is awful and that doesn't look to be getting any better.
Click to expand...
The games are more competitive if our record is not. That counts for something when looking toward the future.
Click to expand...
Actually the games aren't more competitive.

Through Frank's first 5 SEC games three years ago, USC was getting outscored by 1.8 points per game (-9 point differential).

Through our first 5 SEC games in 2015, USC is getting outscored by 5 points per game (-25 pt differential).
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I don't care how much we win by I only care how much we lose by. I want to see a team that is hanging in games and not quitting. I am not going to just count the SEC games to evaluate the team, sorry.
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Sorry to keep hammering this point, but just going by "how much we lose by," we lost our first 4 SEC games by 18 total points in Frank's 1st year. This year we've lost our first 4 SEC games by 27 total points. The margin of victory in SEC losses hasn't improved...it's actually gotten worse.

I remember folks saying in Frank's 1st year that we were improved from Horn' tenure because of how close we were losing games. Did anyone honestly expect to be saying the exact same thing in Frank's 3rd year?
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yeah, well the Ole Miss game was the only game we loss by more than 5 points all year, so. That was there one game they didn't compete much. And stop just counting the SEC games only.
 
We lost 7 games this year and the Ole Miss games a loss of 16 so it bucked the average, so I am not going with average I am going with median. And the median of our losses is 4 points.

This post was edited on 1/20 11:51 PM by ReadR00ster
 
Originally posted by ReadR00ster:

Originally posted by ipull4usc:
Originally posted by ReadR00ster:

Originally posted by ipull4usc:

Originally posted by ReadR00ster:

Originally posted by Rollerdude123:
We might be better- or not.

SEC record is awful and that doesn't look to be getting any better.
Click to expand...
The games are more competitive if our record is not. That counts for something when looking toward the future.
Click to expand...
Actually the games aren't more competitive.

Through Frank's first 5 SEC games three years ago, USC was getting outscored by 1.8 points per game (-9 point differential).

Through our first 5 SEC games in 2015, USC is getting outscored by 5 points per game (-25 pt differential).
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I don't care how much we win by I only care how much we lose by. I want to see a team that is hanging in games and not quitting. I am not going to just count the SEC games to evaluate the team, sorry.
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Sorry to keep hammering this point, but just going by "how much we lose by," we lost our first 4 SEC games by 18 total points in Frank's 1st year. This year we've lost our first 4 SEC games by 27 total points. The margin of victory in SEC losses hasn't improved...it's actually gotten worse.

I remember folks saying in Frank's 1st year that we were improved from Horn' tenure because of how close we were losing games. Did anyone honestly expect to be saying the exact same thing in Frank's 3rd year?
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yeah, well the Ole Miss game was the only game we loss by more than 5 points all year, so. That was there one game they didn't compete much. And stop just counting the SEC games only.
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I figured counting the first 5 conference games was probably the fairest metric to look at, considering non-conference opponents vary so wildly from year-to-year.
 
A sign of how pitiful it really is: "Going with" how close the losses are.

Wow


Originally posted by ReadR00ster:
We lost 7 games this year and the Ole Miss games a loss of 16 so it bucked the average, so I am not going with average I am going with median. And the median of our losses is 4 points.

This post was edited on 1/20 11:51 PM by ReadR00ster
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We don't have any players that would make Kentuckys 2nd string. Thornwell is probably overrated and he is the only player that looks like Div1
 
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Originally posted by Sending an SOS:
Give the man 5 good years. Until then, why can't you just be patient and see what happens?
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Tyndall is winning with a ragtag bunch that were picked to finish 12th or 13th in the SEC.
 
Originally posted by ReadR00ster:
Listen, all of the players I trashed last year and said we would never win with them have gotten better this year. But I was still right when I said that we can never win them. The guys Martin recruited in his first year were not good enough, period. He needs more time to recruit. He is slowly getting a few players a year that are actually SEC caliber.

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Most of the other teams (our opponents) of last year who had players of the same year of underclassmen - they have improved as well. Thus the results are the same - we're still losing with the same players who have slightly improved.
 
Here's what's killing Martin right now. Two years ago he sacrificed the present to build for the future. After his first year he saw the writing on the wall and ran off 4 guys that were Horn recruits. These guys transferred to Furman, Coastal, Jacksonville, and High Point.

Brian Richardson averages 7.7 per game at High Point this year. Damien Leonard couldn't cut it at Furman and is now at Georgia Southwestern State. In Eric Smith's last year at Coastal he averaged 11 minutes and 2.5 points per game. RJ Slawson averaged 23 minutes and 8 points per game his last season at Jacksonville. I think it's pretty obvious that these guys had no business ever stepping foot on USC's campus yet this was the core of Martin's first team.

So we can all say what we want to about Martin being in his 3rd season but he's really in his 2nd and Tanner knows this. I'm sure Martin discussed getting rid of these guys with Tanner before he did it so we know Tanner was on board. Martin is going to get 5 years and maybe even 6 so you can save your breath bitching about him needing to go.
 
Originally posted by ipull4usc:
I'm rooting for Frank, but at what point do the excuses stop for him? He recruited EVERY SINGLE scholarship player on USC's roster, none of which can effectively shoot the basketball.

USC is in danger of losing back-to-back games to 1st year coaches. What's Frank's excuse in his 3rd year?
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Next year is set up to be a big year for us, we only lose Johnson and Blanton, Dozier, and Silva enter the mix. I want to to see this team does with a bunch of upperclassmen and those talented new guys before I judge. We haven't had team with a ton of experience in a long while. We will have that next year.
 
Originally posted by GamecockTripp:
Here's what's killing Martin right now. Two years ago he sacrificed the present to build for the future. After his first year he saw the writing on the wall and ran off 4 guys that were Horn recruits. These guys transferred to Furman, Coastal, Jacksonville, and High Point.

Brian Richardson averages 7.7 per game at High Point this year. Damien Leonard couldn't cut it at Furman and is now at Georgia Southwestern State. In Eric Smith's last year at Coastal he averaged 11 minutes and 2.5 points per game. RJ Slawson averaged 23 minutes and 8 points per game his last season at Jacksonville. I think it's pretty obvious that these guys had no business ever stepping foot on USC's campus yet this was the core of Martin's first team.

So we can all say what we want to about Martin being in his 3rd season but he's really in his 2nd and Tanner knows this. I'm sure Martin discussed getting rid of these guys with Tanner before he did it so we know Tanner was on board. Martin is going to get 5 years and maybe even 6 so you can save your breath bitching about him needing to go.
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Good post!

To the OP...
He may very well have excuses (injuries or whatever) throughout his time here, who knows?
My problem would come if he's been offering them ad-nauseum in his pressers. If so, I 'd like to see that stopped by the end of the year.
 
Originally posted by GamecockTripp:
Here's what's killing Martin right now. Two years ago he sacrificed the present to build for the future. After his first year he saw the writing on the wall and ran off 4 guys that were Horn recruits. These guys transferred to Furman, Coastal, Jacksonville, and High Point.

Brian Richardson averages 7.7 per game at High Point this year. Damien Leonard couldn't cut it at Furman and is now at Georgia Southwestern State. In Eric Smith's last year at Coastal he averaged 11 minutes and 2.5 points per game. RJ Slawson averaged 23 minutes and 8 points per game his last season at Jacksonville. I think it's pretty obvious that these guys had no business ever stepping foot on USC's campus yet this was the core of Martin's first team.

So we can all say what we want to about Martin being in his 3rd season but he's really in his 2nd and Tanner knows this. I'm sure Martin discussed getting rid of these guys with Tanner before he did it so we know Tanner was on board. Martin is going to get 5 years and maybe even 6 so you can save your breath bitching about him needing to go.
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Blacklisted Cock Hudson.

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