When is it realistic to expect to be in the NIT?

[cockydev]

There's so much anger vs. sunshine pumping surrounding the men's basketball program it's hard to know what's realistic.

So I'm asking when can we make it an expectation to at least be in the NIT tournament?

Take your emotions out of whether or not Frank is a good coach. Forget about the running excuse of "Horn left the cupboard bare." Just respond with your timeline for improvement.

Year 6? Year 7? Year 8?

 

[usc4ever15]

I say next year if we don't get 20 wins it's time to move on
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[cadcock]

"Realistic expectations"

2015 - NIT
2016 - NIT/NCAA
2017 - NCAA
2018 - Win an NCAA game for the first time in 40+ years

 

[Rod Dangerfield]

Re: "Realistic expectations"

Originally posted by cadcock:
2015 - NIT
2016 - NIT/NCAA
2017 - NCAA
2018 - Win an NCAA game for the first time in 40+ years

Uh........we'll not be making the NIT this year.

 

[cadcock]

This is the 2014 season

NM

 

[gamecockjosh]

I would expect any coach under most circumstances to have us to NIT caliber by year 4. Does that mean we fire Martin if we don't make NIT next year? Probably not, but it should definitely put him on the hot seat. We should at the very least have a winning season next year. If we are still in this abyss after five years, then it might be time to part ways. I've always thought that a coach should have five years to develop his team unless he was handed the a team that was already loaded when he started....in which case the time period should possibly be shorter.

Here's the good news with basketball. You only have five starters so it is easy to turn things around quickly. Eddie Fogler won only 10 games in his second year and then won the SEC in his fourth year. Landing guys like PJ Dozier might be that missing piece of the puzzle that turns us from winning 15 games to winning 22 over night.

 

[AgnosticTrollCock]

Well, Gregg Marshall was able to win the NIT over Alabama with his WSU Shockers in his 4th season at WSU. So, with Martin being a more qualified, talented, skilled, and better recruiter according to many of our FGF posters, I would expect the NIT next season.

 

[Todd Lewis]

Right now. Every year. We play plenty of non-conference softies and in a very average conference. It's not too much to expect 18-20 wins every year.

 

[rockingamecock]

The NIT is a waste of time....they need to get rid of it *

nm

 

[ReadR00ster]

We need to at least make the NIT in the next couple of years, and if we make a tournament (NCAA or NIT, CBI isn't worth even talking about) next year, we have to at least make the NIT the year after if Martin is to continue to coach this team beyond two years.

 

[jojousc1967]

With the shape our program was in I would give Frank at least 7 years to make the NIT. And if he is as good as some would have us believe, then by year ten and beyond the NCAA every year. or two years...


If he can not to it in that time then disband the program and put in two additional sports. Right now this program is bleeding badly.

 

[uscg1984]

Re: "Realistic expectations"

Originally posted by Rod Dangerfield:

Originally posted by cadcock:
2015 - NIT
2016 - NIT/NCAA
2017 - NCAA
2018 - Win an NCAA game for the first time in 40+ years

Uh........we'll not be making the NIT this year.

Rod, I think Cadcock was saying that it was reasonable to expect to be an NIT caliber team this year.

Personally, the way we ended last season on an uptick, I thought making the NIT this year was a reasonable goal. Heck, you don't have to be great to get an invitation to the NIT - basically, if you are a big 5 conference team with a winning overall record, you stand a good chance of getting an invitation. As somebody already mentioned, with all of the softies on the OOC schedule and a conference schedule that really isn't that tough aside from Kentucky, making the NIT in year three should be a reasonable expectation.

 

[atl-cock]

Originally posted by jojousc1967:
With the shape our program was in I would give Frank at least 7 years to make the NIT. And if he is as good as some would have us believe, then by year ten and beyond the NCAA every year. or two years...


If he can not to it in that time then disband the program and put in two additional sports. Right now this program is bleeding badly.

I vote to add mens volleyball and wrestling.

 

[funktavious]

Re: "Realistic expectations"

Originally posted by uscg1984:

Originally posted by Rod Dangerfield:

Originally posted by cadcock:
2015 - NIT
2016 - NIT/NCAA
2017 - NCAA
2018 - Win an NCAA game for the first time in 40+ years

Uh........we'll not be making the NIT this year.

Rod, I think Cadcock was saying that it was reasonable to expect to be an NIT caliber team this year.

Personally, the way we ended last season on an uptick, I thought making the NIT this year was a reasonable goal. Heck, you don't have to be great to get an invitation to the NIT - basically, if you are a big 5 conference team with a winning overall record, you stand a good chance of getting an invitation. As somebody already mentioned, with all of the softies on the OOC schedule and a conference schedule that really isn't that tough aside from Kentucky, making the NIT in year three should be a reasonable expectation.

The SEC wasn't a bad conference this season. It's much better than it has been in the past and our OOC schedule wasn't bad. We had some really good wins against teams out of big conferences. We blew out an OK St team that was in the top-25 up until last week. Conference play has been disappointing and right now we don't have the depth to compete with many good teams.

 

[Ernest T.Cox]

Re: "Realistic expectations"

No later than this year, possibly last year.

 

[2tone]

definitely last year....

 

[ToddFlanders]

Re: "Realistic expectations"

Originally posted by funktavious:

Originally posted by uscg1984:

Originally posted by Rod Dangerfield:

Originally posted by cadcock:
2015 - NIT
2016 - NIT/NCAA
2017 - NCAA
2018 - Win an NCAA game for the first time in 40+ years

Uh........we'll not be making the NIT this year.

Rod, I think Cadcock was saying that it was reasonable to expect to be an NIT caliber team this year.

Personally, the way we ended last season on an uptick, I thought making the NIT this year was a reasonable goal. Heck, you don't have to be great to get an invitation to the NIT - basically, if you are a big 5 conference team with a winning overall record, you stand a good chance of getting an invitation. As somebody already mentioned, with all of the softies on the OOC schedule and a conference schedule that really isn't that tough aside from Kentucky, making the NIT in year three should be a reasonable expectation.

The SEC wasn't a bad conference this season. It's much better than it has been in the past and our OOC schedule wasn't bad. We had some really good wins against teams out of big conferences. We blew out an OK St team that was in the top-25 up until last week. Conference play has been disappointing and right now we don't have the depth to compete with many good teams.

You're definitely right that the conference isn't as bad this year, but it's still last amongst the major conferences in "conference RPI" - even behind the Pac-12.

The SEC has one elite team, one very good team, and then the rest (five decent teams and seven bad teams).

 

[uscfan1981]

Re: "Realistic expectations"

Originally posted by Ernest T.Cox:
No later than this year, possibly last year.

I agree. It it a testament to bad coaching that we aren't in the NCAA most years.

Take for instance we play 12 non-conference games. 9-10 of those are against lesser programs that we should nearly always beat (USA Spar, Cid UNC Char etc.) We play Clemson who is a terrible program and two pretty good teams (Baylor and Iowa St) this year.

So before conference play we should always be 10-2 (or better). We play 18 SEC games. Considering only (Mizzou, KY, Arky and maybe TN even care about basketball) and AU, AL, UGa. LSU wish their programs didn't exist. and we have huge facility advantage over everyone but Arky, and KY. 10-12 conference wins should be built in (at a min).

Thereofre a bad year should be 20-10 going into the SEC tourney (10-2 against SC State like teams) and 10-8 (SEC).

That would get us in the NIT every year and good years should be 24-6 type and get us to the NCAAs.

 

[ReadR00ster]

Originally posted by usc4ever15:
I say next year if we don't get 20 wins it's time to move on
Posted from Rivals Mobile

Would be too early to bail. If you don't give him at least 5 years to fix the problem you haven't given the guy an actual chance.

 

[CaliCock]

Re: "Realistic expectations"

Originally posted by uscfan1981:

I agree. It it a testament to bad coaching that we aren't in the NCAA most years.

Take for instance we play 12 non-conference games. 9-10 of those are against lesser programs that we should nearly always beat (USA Spar, Cid UNC Char etc.) We play Clemson who is a terrible program and two pretty good teams (Baylor and Iowa St) this year.

So before conference play we should always be 10-2 (or better). We play 18 SEC games. Considering only (Mizzou, KY, Arky and maybe TN even care about basketball) and AU, AL, UGa. LSU wish their programs didn't exist. and we have huge facility advantage over everyone but Arky, and KY. 10-12 conference wins should be built in (at a min).

Thereofre a bad year should be 20-10 going into the SEC tourney (10-2 against SC State like teams) and 10-8 (SEC).

That would get us in the NIT every year and good years should be 24-6 type and get us to the NCAAs.

This is a fantastic post and should be printed out and taped above the computer monitor of ever mediocrity-enabling sunshine pumper in all of Gamecock Land, and heck why not add every room in the basketball office, and a special 6 foot tall version for the AD's office.

 

[goldengamecock]

No reason to think if we were good enough to beat Iowa St, Oklahoma State, Georgia 2x, and blow out Clemson---that we couldn't at least be in the NIT this year.

 

[cockydev]

Originally posted by ReadR00ster:

Originally posted by usc4ever15:
I say next year if we don't get 20 wins it's time to move on
Posted from Rivals Mobile

Would be too early to bail. If you don't give him at least 5 years to fix the problem you haven't given the guy an actual chance.

From a business perspective - I don't know the specifics of Frank's contract, but it sounds like most of us agree that 6 -7 years (which will cost the Gamecock Club $15-21 million) is what we are offering for a coach to get us to the NIT by year 7.

Is it reasonable to ask the fans to stop blaming Darrin Horn after year 7 then?

 

[4thgengamecock]

At the start of the year, I felt like the NIT was a reasonable goal, but not a reasonable expectation. It should be the expectation next year, though.

 

[Rod Dangerfield]

Re: This is the 2014 season

Originally posted by cadcock:
NM

By what logic?