Again where does it say anything about Clemson?Here dumb a$$.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_penalty_(NCAA)
And you Clemsux fans wonder why we laugh and make fun of tater fans.
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Again where does it say anything about Clemson?Here dumb a$$.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_penalty_(NCAA)
And you Clemsux fans wonder why we laugh and make fun of tater fans.
You are one crazy a$$ SOB if you think it has ruined my life. My wife and I are about to take a trip that probably costs more than your house, if you even own a house. Plus, as far as something driving someone crazy how about the last six football games, which quempsum won only one. And when is the last time quempsum won a national championship in any sport? Remember 2010 when USC send quempsum home from the CWS? I think that is driving you nuts and or crazy.
What's up with all the personal attacks? Not necessary.
Freddie B. Cocky is a decent and good poster here who does not deserve these personal attacks just because he is pointing out the truth
Without a doubt , it is looked at as a great accomplishment. I think it is somewhat funny that with all the cheating that goes on in the SEC you believe that your program could pass that level of scrutiny. That was when the NCAA had teeth, now they just look the other way ..so many examples scam newton , the southern cal debacle , fsu , etc.. That time wa snot a golden era od SC football either... you proud of the steroid scandal that rocked the nation with the SC article in Sports Illustrated? I mean really , what is that saying , people in "glass houses"....
I personally don't think the cheating ever stopped in the Ford era. Some schools have to cheat in order to stay a little ahead of their rivals. Clemson is a prime example and will have to resort to cheating to compete in the years to come if they aren't already doing it with their south Florida recruiting.
Charlie Pell admitted the cheatting saying he only did what he was told to do.Later when the situation repeated at Florida,the poor guy attempted suicide. Not sure why people still deny well documemted facts
We are pretty proud of BOTH National titles. What is the narrative on the 2016 title?Do you look at the quempsum 1981 so called National Championship in football with a source of pride? I mean, how could any tater fan stick their chest out knowing all of the penalties that followed the next year? The sanctions administered against quempsum by the NCAA in 1982 were the most severe ever handed down to any college / university in the history of college sports at that time.
Many people have said the quempsum incident was the forerunner that caused the NCAA to implement a plan to impose the death penalty in future cases to any college/university that committed atrocious acts such as the ones perpetrated by quempsum. I forget how many violations the NCAA found quempsum guilty of during the investigation but, again, it was the most ever committed by any college or university until that time.
Under today's rules any national championship would be rescinded if it were determined that such cheating occurred in order to win said championship.
So, again, I am just wondering, if it is a source of pride that all quempsum fans look to and say we WON A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP IN FOOTBALL?
Thank you.
We are pretty proud of BOTH National titles. What is the narrative on the 2016 title?
Since you asked. Yes. I don't think Clemson was doing anything that every other school in the south wasn't doing. We just really sucked at doing it. UGA and some other schools, particularly in the SEC, were very good at it. Pros in fact.Do you look at the quempsum 1981 so called National Championship in football with a source of pride? I mean, how could any tater fan stick their chest out knowing all of the penalties that followed the next year? The sanctions administered against quempsum by the NCAA in 1982 were the most severe ever handed down to any college / university in the history of college sports at that time.
Many people have said the quempsum incident was the forerunner that caused the NCAA to implement a plan to impose the death penalty in future cases to any college/university that committed atrocious acts such as the ones perpetrated by quempsum. I forget how many violations the NCAA found quempsum guilty of during the investigation but, again, it was the most ever committed by any college or university until that time.
Under today's rules any national championship would be rescinded if it were determined that such cheating occurred in order to win said championship.
So, again, I am just wondering, if it is a source of pride that all quempsum fans look to and say we WON A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP IN FOOTBALL?
Thank you.
Give me 35 years to think about it and I'll get back to youDo you look at the quempsum 1981 so called National Championship in football with a source of pride? I mean, how could any tater fan stick their chest out knowing all of the penalties that followed the next year? The sanctions administered against quempsum by the NCAA in 1982 were the most severe ever handed down to any college / university in the history of college sports at that time.
Many people have said the quempsum incident was the forerunner that caused the NCAA to implement a plan to impose the death penalty in future cases to any college/university that committed atrocious acts such as the ones perpetrated by quempsum. I forget how many violations the NCAA found quempsum guilty of during the investigation but, again, it was the most ever committed by any college or university until that time.
Under today's rules any national championship would be rescinded if it were determined that such cheating occurred in order to win said championship.
So, again, I am just wondering, if it is a source of pride that all quempsum fans look to and say we WON A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP IN FOOTBALL?
Thank you.
the meteoric rise in recruiting over such a short time period coupled with Clemson's past reputation is reason enough to raise eyebrows.
156 recruiting violations whittled down to 13! And they still allowed them the title! They did this after we beat them 56/13 I believe in 1976. Does this seem parrallel to beating them 5 times and 4 years later this! Makes one wonder eh?Always a fun topic on this board...
To answer the question, yes, and it always will be a great accomplishment. Winning a National Championship in football is hard.
The framework of your question is flawed because of the rival tinge in your recitation of the events.
"The sanctions administered against quempsum by the NCAA in 1982 were the most severe ever handed down to any college / university in the history of college sports at that time."
Not True. The NCAA handed down equal or greater sanctions many times: TV: equal or greater 57 times; Postseason: equal or greater 66 times; and Probation length: equal or greater 90 times. These were all before Clemson's probation. If you count all time, the numbers are much higher.
"Many people have said the quempsum incident was the forerunner that caused the NCAA to implement a plan to impose the death penalty in future cases to any college/university that committed atrocious acts such as the ones perpetrated by quempsum."
Not True. The NCAA had issued a death penalty twice before Clemson's probation. SMU's death penalty had nothing to do with Clemson, but rather that SMU was put on some form of probation five times between 1974 and 1985. The big one came in 1987 when they were caught doing the same thing that landed them on probation in 1985. They simply did not care what the NCAA did or said.
Finally, Clemson's probation was relatively light in comparison to others and did not mandate any vacating of wins because the majority of the "money" violations centered around two players that never enrolled, James Cofer and Terry Minor. The Nashville booster's "Christmas Gifts" of $500 (Minor) and $1000 (Cofer) were definitely a big deal and had they enrolled, the NCAA sanctions would have been stiffer I suspect. The NCAA has vacated records 124 times I think. The funny thing is, I do not think either player was that highly touted, but they were being recruited and the booster certainly wanted them at Clemson.
There were several other allegations of "offers" but not many "gave(s)." The majority of the violations centered around giving rides to prospects, paying phone or medical/dentist bills, flying a prospect home from Jr College,offering transportation to parents, etc. Violations, certainly, but hardly "atrocious acts" as you describe them.
Obviously this is nothing that fans on either side of the Rivalry will agree about, but that what makes it fun. It is similar when folks over here complain about the "tutoring probation" when, in reality, the university was nailed because the former Associate AD was mandating violations occur and telling folks to get rid of (or do not maintain) records that the NCAA would use against the university in an investigation. The rest of the violations were similar to Clemson's above: improper transportation, etc.
Anyway, again, always a great topic for the off-season...
I guess some good came out of the 5 losses156 recruiting violations whittled down to 13! And they still allowed them the title! They did this after we beat them 56/13 I believe in 1976. Does this seem parrallel to beating them 5 times and 4 years later this! Makes one wonder eh?
Ok, so what do we make of Marcus Lattimore, DJ Swearinger, Jadeveon Clowney, Alshon Jeffery, Connor Shaw, etc.?