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Because he was having a bad game. No players is going to be great every game. He doesnāt start for Bama if he couldnāt throw, and you donāt go to 2 straight championship if you canāt throw..
Why was he having a bad game?
You guys canāt keep saying āhe was having a bad gameā and ignore the reason he had a bad game was because he couldnāt throw the ball.
And yes you can make two national championships when you play for Alabama and all you have to do is run the ball and dink and dunk the ball. When he got to those championship games and finally played teams as good as Alabama he got exposed.
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Everything is so black and white with some of us. Here is the perfect example of grey area...
early on in his career Hurts was not a good passer - bottom line. He played in a great offense (despite his limitations passing) and the best program and coaching he could ask for...and did a great job.
He got better passing every year and off season. He wasn't a great passer ever, including when he was at OU.
If you think he's a great passer because of OU numbers...go check out the last 8-9 QBs that have started in that system and see their numbers. Almost impossible to suck if you can stay on the field. Even first year starter (last year) Spencer Rattler's numbers are similar to Hurts' senior stats. His great passing numbers were system-fueled. He isn't and wasn't an elite passer. Throwing check downs and 4 out of 10 completions to his backs kept his completion #s where they are, and kept himself out of trouble because he couldn't throw downfield very accurately....especially early on in his career.
early on in his career Hurts was not a good passer - bottom line. He played in a great offense (despite his limitations passing) and the best program and coaching he could ask for...and did a great job.
He got better passing every year and off season. He wasn't a great passer ever, including when he was at OU.
If you think he's a great passer because of OU numbers...go check out the last 8-9 QBs that have started in that system and see their numbers. Almost impossible to suck if you can stay on the field. Even first year starter (last year) Spencer Rattler's numbers are similar to Hurts' senior stats. His great passing numbers were system-fueled. He isn't and wasn't an elite passer. Throwing check downs and 4 out of 10 completions to his backs kept his completion #s where they are, and kept himself out of trouble because he couldn't throw downfield very accurately....especially early on in his career.
So you're now bashing Luke Doty because he's being compared to a guy who can't throw the ball.
Maybe Doty is just another FCS player like you say the rest of our guys are.
You mean the Jalen hurts that plays for the Philadelphia Eagles? The Jalen Hurts that was evaluated by professionals in the sport and drafted as a QB? The Jalen Hurts that had comparable numbers in 2020 to Tua Tagovailoa even though he started 5 games less? Hahahahaha, you guys dont know dick.
It was obvious Doty struggled with passing last year and I think he has the ability to improve like Hurts did.
Yup...Hurts was a 2nd rd pick. Sooners are the closest thing to QB-U in CFB.
I'll take it if some of that comes our way.
It's unfortunate we lost Ryan, but Doty definitely looks like a better fit for Beamer's style of play.
Some of y'all need to remember you don't have to be a generational QB to win championships. Alabama has had several game managers. Trent Dilfer won a Superbowl, and in Peyton Manning's last Superbowl win he looked nearly geriatric. The facts are the facts. Jalen Hurts wasn't the penultimate passer like DeShaun Watson, but he was good enough to win games. Using a championship situation to say he was this awful passer is a fallacy. If there's ever a time to try and throw out all the stops, it's a championship. If Saban had had another option to try and win, he would have taken it. Stop acting like he was the worst QB in the world. He won more games than our team has in like the last 5 years.
Maybe you think Doty is a FCS player? He could transfer to the Citadel...he already has the haircut.
Itās hard to believe Bama wouldnāt start Tua that season if Hurts couldnāt throw.
Or maybe they didn't want to rush his development when they knew Hurts could still win even with his limitations?
wait, what? first off, the stats say that hurts was a pretty good passer, regardless of why he got replaced at ht the one game.. and second, you claiming that hurts couldnt pass is saying that doty wont be able to pass so your argument holds no water. nobody is claiming he was an elite passer and it is rare for a dual threat qb to be an elite passer. if doty has those kind of stats i think we will be quite successful
This is comical.
Hurt may not be the best passer, reader of defenses or whatever. He is a winner though. I saw him in person at OU and his awareness and passing that day was sharp and incredible.
The D also had to keep an eye on his running to keep them honest and he lit WVU up.
It may take a little time but Philly got a good dude.
Hurt may not be the best passer, reader of defenses or whatever. He is a winner though. I saw him in person at OU and his awareness and passing that day was sharp and incredible.
The D also had to keep an eye on his running to keep them honest and he lit WVU up.
It may take a little time but Philly got a good dude.
This is the problem, you guys aren't analyzing anything. It's simple, if you believe Hurts was as good as his stats show then you clearly can't believe that Beamer's comparison is valid. Based on stats, Hurts was an elite QB. He was SEC Freshman of the year and led his team to a national championship game. If you you believe stats are that representative of talent, then you have to believe Doty lacks that talent based on his stats.
Or you could be like me and actually believe the comparison of Doty to Hurts is valid. That Hurts shows if you surround a QB with talent and develop an offense to take advantage of the skill set the QB possess, he can win you football games. I like Doty and believe he can be successful here if our coaches can set him up for success like the Alabama coaches did for Hurts.
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Serious question, how much does the tater social media department pay you to pretend you are a SC fan? I know I know you have been a fan all your life blah blah blah
This is idiotic. Iāve been a member here for two decades and Iām one of the most hated internet posters in tater land.
If Doty is as bad as Hurts was he could come close to owning the SC passing record books. I could live with that.
why didnt you say this to begin with? i fully agree with what you just said
Bullshit.
Originally you claimed Hurts couldnāt throw, in your thinly veiled attack against CSB and Doty.
Once your crappy opinion about Hurts was refuted with facts, you tried to gently morph your opinion.
Itās not working.
CSB complimented Doty, comparing him to the Hurts he saw at OU. A guy who wound up a second round draft pick, higher than any QB from USC in the modern era.
Not bad for a guy you claimed ā canāt throwā.
Instead of just accepting CSBās comparison of Doty to Hurts ( which could entail everything from leadership to work ethic) you continue your trend of dumping on our program/players/coaching staff.
Itās truly pathetic.
My first post in this thread was clearly trying to defend the comparison by Beamer.
Iāve already shown why youāre wrong but I canāt make you admit. Have a nice night.
No, your first post was the lie that Hurts could barely complete a pass. Keep deluding yourself.
Hmm, wonder why you're only posting part of my comment? Could it be that the other half of the comment gives context for the first half?
1/10 troll on your part
I disagree. Connor Shaw came into the Auburn game his freshman year and showed he had real potential in the passing game. I vividly remember being in the stands and seeing a sideline throw that impressed me and was better than anything I had seen from Garcia up to that point.
I love Shaw but comparing him to Garcia certainly makes him look a whole lot better. For his career though Shaw only had 2k more passing yards, 400 more rushing yards and 24 more TDs than Hurts did in his final season with Oklahoma alone.
Stats and records are the few things we have to quantify any comparisons.
Connor's completion %, passer ratings, and games won; are at the top of all Gamecock QBs.
If Luke Doty can pull off anything remotely close to what Hurts did at OK, we're in for an interesting season.
Thatās true but Hurts freshman year and Shaws senior years stats are remarkably similar.
Good Lord.
Those statements are articulated through an anti-Garcia mind.
No offense to Shaw, God knows he's worshipped by fans, and he certainly RAN us to a couple of W's, but a great passer he wasn't. It maddeningly took him to his senior year to develop enough confidence to pull the trigger across the middle, and his passing success was due more to the gymnastic/acrobatic abilities of the elite group of receivers he was blessed with. That's why it tickles me when I see shade thrown at any of our qbs because an incompletion was a little behind or high.
