CFP is a joke

[Lurker123]

Or if we could look at all the teams played and figure out how good a team is based on every game, not just one.

Yeah, the total season. Like some sort of record or something that could say how many games a team has won and lost throughout the whole year.

We could use that hypothetical number, I'll call it a "record". Then, if those are equal, we could move on to tie breakers, like h2h, or SOS.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Yeah, the "record" got SMU and Indiana in the playoffs. How did that work out?

That's the idiocy that got us the stupid matchups we got. Maybe it matters more about who you beat and who you lose to.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

The mental gymnastics and goal post movement for his arguments are embarrassing.

Or maybe just because a team beats a team in week 5 doesn't mean they are still better than them at the end of the season.

 

[Lurker123]

Yeah, the "record" got SMU and Indiana in the playoffs. How did that work out?

That's the idiocy that got us the stupid matchups we got. Maybe it matters more about who you beat and who you lose to.

Neither of those teams are named Ole Miss. I thought that's who we were talking about.

But his idea of using g a "record" made me think, surely a tied record has happened before in our conference. We pick title game teams all the time. Surely we use some system to pick a team when there is a tie in this hypothetical "record".

So I went and looked, and was surprised to find one.

SEC announces football tie-breaking process - Southeastern Conference

The Southeastern Conference on Wednesday announced new football tiebreaking procedures for the 2024 SEC Championship Game, the first football season since 1991 to be conducted without divisions.

www.secsports.com

Here are the six tiebreakers, per the SEC:

1) Head-to-head competition among the tied teams
2) Record versus all common conference opponents among the tied teams
3) Record against highest (best) placed common conference opponent in the conference standings, and proceeding through the conference standings among the tied teams
4) Cumulative conference winning percentage of all conference opponents among the tied teams
5) Capped relative total scoring margin versus all conference opponents among the tied teams
Random draw of the tied teams


Are we going to pretend to be shocked at what was the first tie breaker?

 

[Lurker123]

Or maybe just because a team beats a team in week 5 doesn't mean they are still better than them at the end of the season.

Hence this novel idea of using the "record" for the whole seaon. If only we could track that hypothetical number.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

SEC rules have nothing to do with the playoffs.

And like I said, "record" got you SMU and Boise St in the playoffs. How did that work out?

By the end of the season, we were better than Ole Piss and Bama.

 

[gamecocks247]

Or maybe just because a team beats a team in week 5 doesn't mean they are still better than them at the end of the season.

yeah but those are just hypotheticals and your mental gymnastics. What we do know is when they played they weren't just the better team, but they beat our ass (24 points)

 

[Lurker123]

SEC rules have nothing to do with the playoffs.

And like I said, "record" got you SMU and Boise St in the playoffs. How did that work out?

By the end of the season, we were better than Ole Piss and Bama.

Should we list out tie breakers for every single conference? Are we going to pretend to be surprised that each one puts head to head at the top?

You can whine about other teams all you like, I'm talking about Ole miss. You were too, until you had to change the subject.

The idea that we were better than Ole miss at the end of the year is one opinion. The idea that they beat us this year when we played is fact.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

And that fact that they beat us in week 5 doesn't make it a fact that they are better than us in week 12. The entire season matters, and as a whole, we beat better teams and lost to better teams. Basketball can figure this out. Not sure why football can't.

 

[Lurker123]

And that fact that they beat us in week 5 doesn't make it a fact that they are better than us in week 12. The entire season matters, and as a whole, we beat better teams and lost to better teams. Basketball can figure this out. Not sure why football can't.

At least you afmit it's a fact. And facts weigh more than opinions.

Fact #1 - They had the same season record as us.

Fact #2 - They beat us head to head.

This outweighs your opinion on what should have happened.

 

[Lurker123]

yeah but those are just hypotheticals and your mental gymnastics. What we do know is when they played they weren't just the better team, but they beat our ass (24 points)

Speaking of hypotheticals. Can you imagine if the situation were reversed? Would we suddenly think head to head didn't matter with teams we beat?

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Not true. The FACT was that FSU was 12-0 last year. The committee's "opinion" was that they weren't as good as a not undefeated Bama, even though they won the ACC with their second QB.

They proved even record didn't matter. It was completely a matter of opinion.

 

[gamecocks247]

At least you afmit it's a fact. And facts weigh more than opinions.

Fact #1 - They had the same season record as us.

Fact #2 - They beat us head to head.

This outweighs your opinion on what should have happened.

but...but... it was week 5 (even thought it was week 6, who gives a ****) literally a week after they had their "bad loss" against kentucky. So that loss by 24 points doesnt count!!!! The only thing that counts it who HE thinks was the better team at week 12!!!

 

[Lurker123]

but...but... it was week 5 (even thought it was week 6, who gives a ****) literally a week after they had their "bad loss" against kentucky. So that loss by 24 points doesnt count!!!! The only thing that counts it who HE thinks was the better team at week 12!!!

Too true. Facts don't matter. And opinions will change depending on the name on the jersey.

 

[Lurker123]

Not true. The FACT was that FSU was 12-0 last year. The committee's "opinion" was that they weren't as good as a not undefeated Bama, even though they won the ACC with their second QB.

They proved even record didn't matter. It was completely a matter of opinion.

Actually, it's completely and demonstrably true.

We were both 9-3 and they beat us h2h. Those aren't really up for debate at all. Those are just facts, at least to sane people. So I understand why you have issues agreeing.

And bringing in FSU isn't the same scenario. They had no h2h with Bama. So it's your OPINION that they would have ignored it had it existed.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Yeah, FSU had the better record. Based on your logic, h2h wasn't even needed. Fact. Proof it is 100% opinion and records or h2h don't matter.

 

[Lurker123]

Yeah, FSU had the better record. Based on your logic, h2h wasn't even needed. Fact. Proof it is 100% opinion and records or h2h don't matter.

FSU had a better record from an inferior conference, and lost a qb before the playoffs.

Which of those apply to us and Ole Miss?

Let's not forget, while you overly fixate on "bad losses", you ignore that Ole Miss not only had the record tied with us, and the h2h, but they had the better win too. They beat UGA. Who was our best win? Clemson?

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Neither. Just proves it is completely about opinion of who is better at the end of the year and your record and h2h logic means nothing.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Florida was a bad loss also. And late in the season Two bad losses that would have definitely opinioned us right out of contention.

 

[Lurker123]

Neither.

Exactly. So you're bringing up things that don't apply to this situation. Thank you for at least admitting that.

 

[Lurker123]

Florida was a bad loss also. And late in the season Two bad losses that would have definitely opinioned us right out of contention.

They also beat two teams ranked higher than our best win. And one of those was us.

But your OPINION that those losses would have overcame the h2h if it were us is just that, an opinion.

I'll stick with the facts.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Yeah, your facts put FSU in the final four last year. How did that work out?

There are no "facts" about who was better at the end of the season based on week 6 game 5. Just opinion.

 

[Lurker123]

Yeah, your facts put FSU in the final four last year. How did that work out?

There are no "facts" about who was better at the end of the season based on week 6 game 5. Just opinion.

FSU had the h2h with Bama? Never knew that.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

But you knew FSU had a better record, but your "opinion" was that it didn't matter because of the conference and an injury.

Like I said, nothing more than opinion.

 

[Lurker123]

By the end of the season, we were better than Ole Piss and Bama.

There are no "facts" about who was better at the end of the season based on week 6 game 5. Just opinion.

Well, at least you've admitted that you're just spouting opinions, and not pretending it was fact, like earlier.

As I said, I'll stick with facts where possible.

 

[Lurker123]

Didn't need to know that. By your own rules listed, better record matters.

We had a better record than Ole Miss? Never knew that.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Nothing to know. The committee has already proven to you that even the biggest factor, RECORD, doesn't matter. Nevermind h2h. The actual record doesn't matter. 100% based on opinion about who they think is better AFTER the season. Not week 2. Not week 6.

That is the only fact that matters. What they have actually done. Not what you think they would consider or what the SEC rules are.

 

[Lurker123]

Nothing to know. The committee has already proven to you that even the biggest factor, RECORD, doesn't matter. Nevermind h2h. The actual record doesn't matter. 100% based on opinion about who they think is better AFTER the season. Not week 2. Not week 6.

That is the only fact that matters. What they have actually done. Not what you think they would consider or what the SEC rules are.

The committee went away from FSU for some pretty extenuating circumstances.
And it was controversial to say the least.

What does that have to do with you claiming we had a better resume than Ole Miss? Oh yeah, nothing.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Same goes for Bama.

Anybody think that...

we lose to Vandy, beat Bama at home by 2, then lose to Tennessee and get embarrassed by Oklahoma

then Bama loses to LSU, Ole Miss and to us by 2 and then goes on a tear dominating Oklahoma and TAMU and beating a conference champ in their own stadium

Anybody stupid enough out there to think that we would be considered over Bama? If you do, you are a moron. How we finished and the late embarrassing loss would count against us, and the same committee what put a one loss Bama in over and undefeated FSU would have NO PROBLEM ignoring head to head with us. If a better record doesn't matter, the same record with h2h sure as shit wouldn't. It would be all about who they thought was better at the end of the season. They have PROVEN that. It is fact.

 

[uscwatson21]

Florida was a bad loss also. And late in the season Two bad losses that would have definitely opinioned us right out of contention.

By the end of the season, Florida was probably a better team than we were.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

By the end of the season, Florida was probably a better team than we were.

Maybe. But I've been told that records matter first and foremost, so your opinion is nutty.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

And of course, undefeated Oregon had a better record than 2 loss Ohio St and beat them head to head.

No way Ohio St could be better than Oregon. Nutty ass people. lol

 

[Lurker123]

Same goes for Bama.

Anybody think that...

we lose to Vandy, beat Bama at home by 2, then lose to Tennessee and get embarrassed by Oklahoma

then Bama loses to LSU, Ole Miss and to us by 2 and then goes on a tear dominating Oklahoma and TAMU and beating a conference champ in their own stadium

Anybody stupid enough out there to think that we would be considered over Bama? If you do, you are a moron. How we finished and the late embarrassing loss would count against us, and the same committee what put a one loss Bama in over and undefeated FSU would have NO PROBLEM ignoring head to head with us. If a better record doesn't matter, the same record with h2h sure as shit wouldn't. It would be all about who they thought was better at the end of the season. They have PROVEN that. It is fact.

It's funny how you post a long hypothetical OPINION, with curcumstances that dont match the current discussion, and then try to claim it's a fact.

Funny, but also pathetic.

 

[Lurker123]

And of course, undefeated Oregon had a better record than 2 loss Ohio St and beat them head to head.

No way Ohio St could be better than Oregon. Nutty ass people. lol

Yeah, they should have left Oregon out of the playoffs. You should die on that hill.

 

[Lurker123]

Maybe. But I've been told that records matter first and foremost, so your opinion is nutty.

But you agree with him, right? Because you're arguing records DON'T matter.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

And you disagree with him, because our record is better. Right?

Because the record is "fact"? And you stick with the facts. lol

 

[Lurker123]

And you disagree with him, because our record is better. Right?

Because the record is "fact"? And you stick with the facts. lol

I do disagree with his OPINION.

Are you saying you agree with him, and say they deserve a playoff spot over us? Or are going to be inconsistent? I know which one i think you'll do.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

I don't agree with "probably", but I don't think that opinion is crazy at all. They are very talented and on paper should beat us. But Beamer is a better coach than Napier. Definitely done more with less.

 

[gamecocks247]

No way Ohio St could be better than Oregon. Nutty ass people. lol

Do you realize the difference bt losing a 2 points game on the road against the "number 1 team", to getting your ass kicked at HOME by 24 points? You are the biggest/dumbest homer on this board. Go cry about the refs or the committee to someone else. You sound like a pathetic loser though, just FYI.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Do you realize the difference bt losing a 2 points game on the road against the "number 1 team", to getting your ass kicked at HOME by 24 points? You are the biggest/dumbest homer on this board. Go cry about the refs or the committee to someone else. You sound like a pathetic loser though, just FYI.

You mad? lol

You do realize they lost TWO games. Another to a bad Michigan team. No way they could be better Oregon now, right? Absolutely NO WAY they could blow them out, right? Not with TWO losses and a head to head loss. For sure it would be close, right?

Teams change as the year go on. Us being better than Ole Miss NOW based on the entire season isn't crazy at all. Ole Piss limped into the end of the season. Lost to Florida and struggled to beat a bad Miss St team.

But it's not crazy that you are so sure of the loss with Ole Miss now. That's how dumb losers think.