Does ACC Conference Schedule Help Clemson?

[CavDad62]

I've seen a lot of debate about this...does the ACC conference football teams and schedule help Clemson? Is the ACC that weak?

Some say yes, some say no.

First, my angle isn't how USC compares with the ACC (mid team in SEC gets clobbered by mid ACC team in bowl). It isn't about the ACC vs the SEC, or any other conference.

It's just about Clemson and the state of their conference football buddies and whether or not a juggernaut program like Clemson is even challenged by its conference opponents.

Here is Clemson's 2019 Conference Slate and last year's records

Georgia Tech (7-5, 4-4)...with new coach

@ Syracuse (10-3, 6-2)...all-time best QB graduated in Eric Dungey

@ UNC (2-9, 1-7)...and with new coach

FSU (5-7, 3-5)...some would say with no coach

@ Louisville (2-10, 0-8)...with new coach

Boston College (7-5, 4-4)

@ NC State (9-3, 5-3)...QB Finley gone

Wake Forest (6-6, 3-5)

In my opinion, the ACC is weak, and Clemson is helped by not having any competition in their conference.

But it is the chicken and egg thing.

At some point, Clemson had to show progress, which they started to do. Then you recruit a little better, then you win a few more games, then you recruit a little better, then you win the ACC championship, then you recruit a little better...and so on.

Plus, the admin is all pulling in the same direction, Dabo has done well, the assistant coaches are staying...lots of things are working together for success.

Not having any viable competition in the conference fed into this process as well, as it enabled Clemson to win more games and recruit better.

Now they are in dynasty mode.

And yes, I know they are the best in college football and when they've lined up with other great teams, they are beating them more often than not.

But the more you win, the more you can sell.

Take this year's Clemson schedule above.

With Clemson's talent level vs the other 8 teams on their conference schedule...who is even going to come close to giving them a game, all things being equal?

They will be at least 17-point favorites against all ACC competition...at least.

The only 2 they would be worth watching would be the Syracuse game and the NC State game. But now, both of those schools lost their almost best-ever QBs to graduation.

So yes, Clemson glides through the ACC at 8-0, plays another guppy in the championship game, gets to the Playoff. Win or lose at that point, they have yet more accomplishments to sell to recruits.

Most of these schools, also, won't ever come close to challenging, because they are basketball schools, schools who seat 30k at games, their admin doesn't focus on football, etc (think Wake Forest, Boston College, Ga Tech, etc.).

The schedule does make a difference. Consider...Clemson goes on the road to play UNC (see record above), comes home to play FSU (see record above), then has to go back out on the road to play a tough Louisville team (see record above). Then home against Boston College. That's the only part of their schedule where they play 4 straight conference games.

What if the had to play Texas AM on the road, then head to Miss St, then home against Auburn, then on the road against Alabama...the also throw in their LSU.

Or if they had to play consecutive games vs Penn St, Wisconsin, Ohio State, and Michigan.

The cumulative pounding of the schedule would have an impact.

Again, they are the best thing going, and it is NOT because of their non-competitive schedule.

But, the non-competitive schedule helped them get there and is helping them stay there now that they've gotten there, no doubt.

They can almost pencil in 10-0, not including games vs us and AM.

No challenges = another ACC championship = another Playoff appearance = more great recruiting.

And nobody in the ACC is equipped to challenge them for some time.

 

[king ward]

This is a no-brainer.

 

[coolcock2001]

You reckon?

 

[crumbie]

Bama's 2019 Schedule:
Aug. 31 vs. Duke 8-5
Sept. 7 vs. New Mexico State 3-9
Sept. 14 at South Carolina 7-6
Sept. 21 vs. Southern Miss 6-5
Sept. 28 vs. Ole Miss 5-7
Oct. 5: Bye
Oct. 12 at Texas A&M 9-4
Oct. 19 vs. Tennessee 5-7
Oct. 26 vs. Arkansas 2-10
Nov. 2: Bye
Nov. 9 vs. LSU 10-3
Nov. 16 at Mississippi State 8-5
Nov. 23 vs. Western Carolina 3-8
Nov. 30 at Auburn 8-5

 

[coolcock2001]

Bama's 2019 Schedule:
Aug. 31 vs. Duke 8-5
Sept. 7 vs. New Mexico State 3-9
Sept. 14 at South Carolina 7-6
Sept. 21 vs. Southern Miss 6-5
Sept. 28 vs. Ole Miss 5-7
Oct. 5: Bye
Oct. 12 at Texas A&M 9-4
Oct. 19 vs. Tennessee 5-7
Oct. 26 vs. Arkansas 2-10
Nov. 2: Bye
Nov. 9 vs. LSU 10-3
Nov. 16 at Mississippi State 8-5
Nov. 23 vs. Western Carolina 3-8
Nov. 30 at Auburn 8-5

Quick, someone's talking about Clemson on a message board somewhere. Get in there and defend her honor!

 

[CavDad62]

This is a no-brainer.

I've seen posts on here where we use their schedule as an excuse, or that it doesn't matter, or that the ACC is not weak by explaining that Virginia beat us in a bowl game...I know, some head-scratchers in some of that reasoning.

 

[CavDad62]

Bama's 2019 Schedule:
Aug. 31 vs. Duke 8-5
Sept. 7 vs. New Mexico State 3-9
Sept. 14 at South Carolina 7-6
Sept. 21 vs. Southern Miss 6-5
Sept. 28 vs. Ole Miss 5-7
Oct. 5: Bye
Oct. 12 at Texas A&M 9-4
Oct. 19 vs. Tennessee 5-7
Oct. 26 vs. Arkansas 2-10
Nov. 2: Bye
Nov. 9 vs. LSU 10-3
Nov. 16 at Mississippi State 8-5
Nov. 23 vs. Western Carolina 3-8
Nov. 30 at Auburn 8-5

That's great.

Now provide your opinion on Clemson and it's schedule and whether it helps them or not.

Didn't mention Alabama, or Southern Cal, or Oklahoma, or Michigan State...but you could list those schedules as well I suppose and start a thread on the strength of Oklahoma's schedule.

It would be neat to hear what your opinion is on the actual topic of this thread.

 

[coolcock2001]

That's great.

Now provide your opinion on Clemson and it's schedule and whether it helps them or not.

Didn't mention Alabama, or Southern Cal, or Oklahoma, or Michigan State...but you could list those schedules as well I suppose and start a thread on the strength of Oklahoma's schedule.

It would be neat to hear what your opinion is on the actual topic of this thread.

His next move will be post South Carolina-Clemson series results

 

[king ward]

I've seen posts on here where we use their schedule as an excuse, or that it doesn't matter, or that the ACC is not weak by explaining that Virginia beat us in a bowl game...I know, some head-scratchers in some of that reasoning.

The ACC is an outstanding all-sports conference. People don't need to be in denial about that. But the way forward in football is easier for UPC than it is for any of the other top programs. I don't even think it's arguable. Really, taking a snapshot of the ACC in football, who is really in a position to challenge them - I mean, right now?

 

[18IsTheMan]

Clemson is the best team in college football, hands-down. They would dominate any conference they played in. They would win the SECE handily and probably match up with Bama in the SECCG. And we know how they would do against Bama. Either way, SEC or ACC, they still end up in the playoff.

 

[lazenge44]

I've seen a lot of debate about this...does the ACC conference football teams and schedule help Clemson? Is the ACC that weak?

Some say yes, some say no.

First, my angle isn't how USC compares with the ACC (mid team in SEC gets clobbered by mid ACC team in bowl). It isn't about the ACC vs the SEC, or any other conference.

It's just about Clemson and the state of their conference football buddies and whether or not a juggernaut program like Clemson is even challenged by its conference opponents.

Here is Clemson's 2019 Conference Slate and last year's records

Georgia Tech (7-5, 4-4)...with new coach

@ Syracuse (10-3, 6-2)...all-time best QB graduated in Eric Dungey

@ UNC (2-9, 1-7)...and with new coach

FSU (5-7, 3-5)...some would say with no coach

@ Louisville (2-10, 0-8)...with new coach

Boston College (7-5, 4-4)

@ NC State (9-3, 5-3)...QB Finley gone

Wake Forest (6-6, 3-5)

In my opinion, the ACC is weak, and Clemson is helped by not having any competition in their conference.

But it is the chicken and egg thing.

At some point, Clemson had to show progress, which they started to do. Then you recruit a little better, then you win a few more games, then you recruit a little better, then you win the ACC championship, then you recruit a little better...and so on.

Plus, the admin is all pulling in the same direction, Dabo has done well, the assistant coaches are staying...lots of things are working together for success.

Not having any viable competition in the conference fed into this process as well, as it enabled Clemson to win more games and recruit better.

Now they are in dynasty mode.

And yes, I know they are the best in college football and when they've lined up with other great teams, they are beating them more often than not.

But the more you win, the more you can sell.

Take this year's Clemson schedule above.

With Clemson's talent level vs the other 8 teams on their conference schedule...who is even going to come close to giving them a game, all things being equal?

They will be at least 17-point favorites against all ACC competition...at least.

The only 2 they would be worth watching would be the Syracuse game and the NC State game. But now, both of those schools lost their almost best-ever QBs to graduation.

So yes, Clemson glides through the ACC at 8-0, plays another guppy in the championship game, gets to the Playoff. Win or lose at that point, they have yet more accomplishments to sell to recruits.

Most of these schools, also, won't ever come close to challenging, because they are basketball schools, schools who seat 30k at games, their admin doesn't focus on football, etc (think Wake Forest, Boston College, Ga Tech, etc.).

The schedule does make a difference. Consider...Clemson goes on the road to play UNC (see record above), comes home to play FSU (see record above), then has to go back out on the road to play a tough Louisville team (see record above). Then home against Boston College. That's the only part of their schedule where they play 4 straight conference games.

What if the had to play Texas AM on the road, then head to Miss St, then home against Auburn, then on the road against Alabama...the also throw in their LSU.

Or if they had to play consecutive games vs Penn St, Wisconsin, Ohio State, and Michigan.

The cumulative pounding of the schedule would have an impact.

Again, they are the best thing going, and it is NOT because of their non-competitive schedule.

But, the non-competitive schedule helped them get there and is helping them stay there now that they've gotten there, no doubt.

They can almost pencil in 10-0, not including games vs us and AM.

No challenges = another ACC championship = another Playoff appearance = more great recruiting.

And nobody in the ACC is equipped to challenge them for some time.

Given their record vs the SEC over that same stretch of time, nobody (sans Bama) is equipped to challenge Clemson for some time.

 

[jeff2001]

Boring argument.

 

[Legendary Cock]

Clemson is the best team in college football, hands-down. They would dominate any conference they played in. They would win the SECE handily and probably match up with Bama in the SECCG. And we know how they would do against Bama. Either way, SEC or ACC, they still end up in the playoff.

I don't think anyone's disputing this. But I believe that the original point was that their schedule and conference affiliation greatly helped them to get to that point.

 

[Clemson7]

You do realize that Bama outscored SEC opponents by 32.625 ppg and Clemson outscored ACC opponents by 35.75 ppg. Throw in that the mighty SEC is 1-25 the last three seasons v/s the Tide.

 

[king ward]

Clemson is the best team in college football, hands-down. They would dominate any conference they played in. They would win the SECE handily and probably match up with Bama in the SECCG. And we know how they would do against Bama. Either way, SEC or ACC, they still end up in the playoff.

I would agree with that if I thought the physical rigors they might face in every league would be the same as in the ACC. They might win as many, or nearly as many, games in any league. But they also might pay a higher price physically for those wins. It happened to Bama last year to some extent. It is not an inconsiderable factor. I might add, appearing in the playoff and winning it all are accomplishments of entirely different magnitudes. There's the Champion, and then there's everyone else. The more you get beat up, the tougher it is to surmount all others.

 

[lostcock]

To answer your question, we would’ve lost maybe 3 games total in the 3 years from 2011-13, and won the conference for sure in 2011. The road is easier, no doubt. I look at it this way in our case, you can say what you want about UF, UT, and UGA the past few years. Been hearing UGA was “down” since 2010, but they’ve played in the SECCG, and for a MNC, but anyway, what does anyone think the Taters record would be in the 75 or so games against those 3 since 1992? 20-55? 35-40? 50-25? Lol not. Let’s not forget they were going through the motions from 1991-2011. Point is, last 3-4 years aside they wouldn’t have gained any more traction with those 3 (plus all the others) on their schedule yearly than we have. Maybe Dabo still works some magic, but we’ll never know. Pre-Dabo would’ve been middle of the pack, at best. There’s a reason they didn’t leave the ACC with us.

 

[midline]

Of course their schedule helps. They can almost roll the balls out and win 11 games with little effort. Wins generate excitement, and that translates on the recruiting trail. Awful attractive for playmakers to build their stats for the NFL going against the mostly sub par competition in the ACC.

 

[TigerRoar8]

I would agree with that if I thought the physical rigors they might face in every league would be the same as in the ACC. They might win as many, or nearly as many, games in any league. But they also might pay a higher price physically for those wins. It happened to Bama last year to some extent. It is not an inconsiderable factor. I might add, appearing in the playoff and winning it all are accomplishments of entirely different magnitudes. There's the Champion, and then there's everyone else. The more you get beat up, the tougher it is to surmount all others.

My only problem with this as a Clemson fan is when BAMA beat us two of the 4 years for a lot of people it was because "Clemson is not used to the physicality that Bama brings and sees every week in the SEC" and then when we win it is "Bamas physical schedule took to big of a toll on them while Clemson cruised." I feel like people need to pick which one they believe. Bama also had the opportunity to rest about as many people as they wanted in every game minus the SEC championship game because they were all over at halftime. My personal belief, 98% of the time the best team is going to win no matter what conference you play in. When you recruit at the levels of these two teams, minus losing your QB, there are plenty of other players to jump in and be pretty dang good.
Now if you want to talk about how important what conference you are in is when it comes to getting to elite status....that is a different discussion.

 

[cfbfan15]

That's great.

Now provide your opinion on Clemson and it's schedule and whether it helps them or not.

Didn't mention Alabama, or Southern Cal, or Oklahoma, or Michigan State...but you could list those schedules as well I suppose and start a thread on the strength of Oklahoma's schedule.

It would be neat to hear what your opinion is on the actual topic of this thread.

Helps them do what exactly? Win? Make the Playoff? I think any great team worth their salt can make their schedule look weak? I know you didn't bring up Alabama, but does their schedule help them? Their closest regular season game was 22 points to A&M. They weren't challenged until the SEC champ game and that was with Tua hurt, so does that mean their schedule was weak? Not being sarcastic or a dick with this, just curious as to what you mean by "helps them." They win the games they are scheduled, not really sure what else they can do other than keep winning.

 

[USCfanforlife100]

No not really to me, they have the best players and still getting them and they win games by beating the best when it counts. High quality of the nations top talent will beat any schedule. Right now that is the way it is. What we need to do is worry about us. How do we get that talent here? Not worry about those Tater asses.

 

[section907]

The taters are a perfect fit for the ACC. As for me, I prefer SEC style of football.

The ACC was not a power 4 confetence when the top 4 conference were all that mattered . I’d argue they still wouldn’t be a power 4 conference. ACC added Boston, Miami, Louisville and Syracuse to boost their conference. Then added 2 representatives to the playoff committee as an ace in the hole to ensure the ACC wouldn’t get over looked and promoting a Power 5 conference

But. Give SoyBean Wind clown and his backwoods followers some credit. They used their conference successfully , to the fullest any many ways. No one will deny they have a good football program. But many will say the fan base is still sheep. It’s the difference in major programs getting the respect they deserve. The conference and its stadiums, fan support , product as a whole are not top 4 .

 

[CavDad62]

Helps them do what exactly? Win? Make the Playoff? I think any great team worth their salt can make their schedule look weak? I know you didn't bring up Alabama, but does their schedule help them? Their closest regular season game was 22 points to A&M. They weren't challenged until the SEC champ game and that was with Tua hurt, so does that mean their schedule was weak? Not being sarcastic or a dick with this, just curious as to what you mean by "helps them." They win the games they are scheduled, not really sure what else they can do other than keep winning.

Why I think a weak overall football conference has helped them is all explained in my original post, the first post on this topic.

Not so much now...because now they have NFL talent across the roster and are playing teams that compete better with par to sub-par teams. Now, you have Mike Tyson in his early 20s (Clemson) playing a conference slate against 8 flops. Pretty easy to see how that helps Clemson go 8-0 in conference. There isn't even a Buster Douglas in sight in the ACC.

How a weak conference helped Clemson progress into the national power they are now is better explained in the original post. Schedule isn't the answer, but certainly was part of the answer in the maturation and growth of the program.

 

[king ward]

The taters are a perfect fit for the ACC. As for me, I prefer SEC style of football...

I don't know about style. I like the passion and larger, louder football venues in the SEC. But even that ain't what it used to be.

 

[cfbfan15]

Why I think a weak overall football conference has helped them is all explained in my original post, the first post on this topic.

Not so much now...because now they have NFL talent across the roster and are playing teams that compete better with par to sub-par teams. Now, you have Mike Tyson in his early 20s (Clemson) playing a conference slate against 8 flops. Pretty easy to see how that helps Clemson go 8-0 in conference. There isn't even a Buster Douglas in sight in the ACC.

How a weak conference helped Clemson progress into the national power they are now is better explained in the original post. Schedule isn't the answer, but certainly was part of the answer in the maturation and growth of the program.

I don't think it was a "weak conference that helped them develop into a national power, remember FSU won a NC in 2013, VT was a 10 win team up to 2013, and GA tech was pretty good in the early 2010.

I will give you last season (even though I don't think any conference really separated themselves) other than Cuse the schedule was not difficult. I would say now, Clemson is more like the tyson in his early 20's however, there was some tough opponents in the early 2010's in the ACC and U of SC out of conference was no pushover.

So my answer, agree or disagree, the schedule does not really help or hurt them anymore because they have established themselves. In the early 2010's it helped recruiting playing in tougher games and winning some, to establish the foundation they have now. Just my humble thoughts.

 

[king ward]

I don't think it was a "weak conference that helped them develop into a national power, remember FSU won a NC in 2013, VT was a 10 win team up to 2013, and GA tech was pretty good in the early 2010.

I will give you last season (even though I don't think any conference really separated themselves) other than Cuse the schedule was not difficult. I would say now, Clemson is more like the tyson in his early 20's however, there was some tough opponents in the early 2010's in the ACC and U of SC out of conference was no pushover.

So my answer, agree or disagree, the schedule does not really help or hurt them anymore because they have established themselves. In the early 2010's it helped recruiting playing in tougher games and winning some, to establish the foundation they have now. Just my humble thoughts.

Humility goes a long way.

 

[Blackland]

More posts on this board about taters than our own team...

 

[coolcock2001]

More posts on this board about taters than our own team...

I have two favorite teams. Carolina and whoever's playing Climpson!!!!1!!

 

[uscgrad1991]

I've seen a lot of debate about this...does the ACC conference football teams and schedule help Clemson? Is the ACC that weak?

Some say yes, some say no.

First, my angle isn't how USC compares with the ACC (mid team in SEC gets clobbered by mid ACC team in bowl). It isn't about the ACC vs the SEC, or any other conference.

It's just about Clemson and the state of their conference football buddies and whether or not a juggernaut program like Clemson is even challenged by its conference opponents.

Here is Clemson's 2019 Conference Slate and last year's records

Georgia Tech (7-5, 4-4)...with new coach

@ Syracuse (10-3, 6-2)...all-time best QB graduated in Eric Dungey

@ UNC (2-9, 1-7)...and with new coach

FSU (5-7, 3-5)...some would say with no coach

@ Louisville (2-10, 0-8)...with new coach

Boston College (7-5, 4-4)

@ NC State (9-3, 5-3)...QB Finley gone

Wake Forest (6-6, 3-5)

In my opinion, the ACC is weak, and Clemson is helped by not having any competition in their conference.

But it is the chicken and egg thing.

At some point, Clemson had to show progress, which they started to do. Then you recruit a little better, then you win a few more games, then you recruit a little better, then you win the ACC championship, then you recruit a little better...and so on.

Plus, the admin is all pulling in the same direction, Dabo has done well, the assistant coaches are staying...lots of things are working together for success.

Not having any viable competition in the conference fed into this process as well, as it enabled Clemson to win more games and recruit better.

Now they are in dynasty mode.

And yes, I know they are the best in college football and when they've lined up with other great teams, they are beating them more often than not.

But the more you win, the more you can sell.

Take this year's Clemson schedule above.

With Clemson's talent level vs the other 8 teams on their conference schedule...who is even going to come close to giving them a game, all things being equal?

They will be at least 17-point favorites against all ACC competition...at least.

The only 2 they would be worth watching would be the Syracuse game and the NC State game. But now, both of those schools lost their almost best-ever QBs to graduation.

So yes, Clemson glides through the ACC at 8-0, plays another guppy in the championship game, gets to the Playoff. Win or lose at that point, they have yet more accomplishments to sell to recruits.

Most of these schools, also, won't ever come close to challenging, because they are basketball schools, schools who seat 30k at games, their admin doesn't focus on football, etc (think Wake Forest, Boston College, Ga Tech, etc.).

The schedule does make a difference. Consider...Clemson goes on the road to play UNC (see record above), comes home to play FSU (see record above), then has to go back out on the road to play a tough Louisville team (see record above). Then home against Boston College. That's the only part of their schedule where they play 4 straight conference games.

What if the had to play Texas AM on the road, then head to Miss St, then home against Auburn, then on the road against Alabama...the also throw in their LSU.

Or if they had to play consecutive games vs Penn St, Wisconsin, Ohio State, and Michigan.

The cumulative pounding of the schedule would have an impact.

Again, they are the best thing going, and it is NOT because of their non-competitive schedule.

But, the non-competitive schedule helped them get there and is helping them stay there now that they've gotten there, no doubt.

They can almost pencil in 10-0, not including games vs us and AM.

No challenges = another ACC championship = another Playoff appearance = more great recruiting.

And nobody in the ACC is equipped to challenge them for some time.

12 straight years, the sec has had the most people drafted. That’s all I have to say.

 

[Orange Valley]

As good as Bama and Clemson are all schedules help them. I think both won about all their games by 2 or 3 TDs last year. Same might be said for OS and Okla.

If you're good you will win in any conf. The real test comes in the playoffs. I think Clemson proved, as Bama did, by beating ND and Okla. they were the two best teams in the Nation. I think had they played 10 times it would be Clemson 6-4. Bama is great and they are not going anywhere in the near future.

 

[wmnesbitt]

You also have to tale into account that At the beginning of the Dabo era, he had to recruit against the SEC. there was a huge belief, and rightly so, that playing in the SEC got you to the NFL. Top recruits in the SE had a top 5 of Bama, UF, UGA, Auburn and TN.

Dabo had to break that door down.

So the point is, that being in the ACC also hurt Dabo and Clemson trying to build a national power. It was so hard, even last year, to go toe to toe for a GA recruit against UGA. And still is. So Dabo went for players like Wilkins from connecticutt. And Dexter from NC and had success in FL because the teams were down.

 

[crumbie]

As good as Bama and Clemson are all schedules help them. I think both won about all their games by 2 or 3 TDs last year. Same might be said for OS and Okla.

If you're good you will win in any conf. The real test comes in the playoffs. I think Clemson proved, as Bama did, by beating ND and Okla. they were the two best teams in the Nation. I think had they played 10 times it would be Clemson 6-4. Bama is great and they are not going anywhere in the near future.

LOL yep. when you are elite, schedules don't matter. you just kick a55 and move on.

let the crappy teams complain about schedules and carry around the conference flag.

 

[USCfanforlife100]

You do realize that Bama outscored SEC opponents by 32.625 ppg and Clemson outscored ACC opponents by 35.75 ppg. Throw in that the mighty SEC is 1-25 the last three seasons v/s the Tide.

Yeah the mighty ACC tater Crap. Man, you have way too many tater threads and Tatars to boot. Need to show them the exit. Gamecocks will beat the taters move on. Good news I am hearing a win over the Tarholes could put us in a good position for GAMEDAY. Games that day are of value to watch. Please do not say WE going to get blown out. Wish they would not have Gamecocks on Gameday. Yes right now ESPN has a tater lean. The 2019 team will not reflect 2018. This will be an improved team with a few good surprises. So do not give in to loser attitude and be ready for whatever comes good or bad. I looking forward to some top talent commits this summer and for SEC Media days then start of fall practice. Just enjoy and really 12-0 just because of the Schedule will most likely not happen. But the team needs to think like that and as fans, we do too. should be overjoyed this year with 7 or 8 wins any other wins are a bonus and hope the team is licking there chops for the year-end game to close out the regular season. All good things come to an end and good things will come our way. We just have had a long wait so the better it will be when it arrives. GO COCKS BEAT THE TARHOLES!!!

You know with all these Tatar threads instead of the Tatars taking their satisfaction on pigs and goats they read this we tell them how great they are etc,etc they whip there junk on it. Let them Tatars go back to sheep and goats pigs whatever.

2 games that pose a threat to taking gameday that week is:
- Pitt @ Penn St.
- Stanford @ UCF "I feel this game is our biggest threat and could still snatch it"

 

[wentzel25]

Yes

 

[jeff2001]

Broken record

 

[Bleadgandb3334]

One game a year, the Bowden family mentality. Clemsux was not a part of that 1 game, it was Florida. Dabdumb has and continues to manipulate the media and preach NewSpring! Suck my big fat Gamecock!

 

[Bleadgandb3334]

#ostarine

 

[OzWizard]

The ACC is an outstanding all-sports conference. People don't need to be in denial about that. But the way forward in football is easier for UPC than it is for any of the other top programs. I don't even think it's arguable. Really, taking a snapshot of the ACC in football, who is really in a position to challenge them - I mean, right now?

Forget the ACC...They beat Bama by 28, ND by 37, OSU by 30, Ok by 30. Is there anyone in the nation in position to challenge them.

 

[USCfanforlife100]

#ostarine

No, I am too old I am just old mean sun of a bitch.

 

[king ward]

Forget the ACC...They beat Bama by 28, ND by 37, OSU by 30, Ok by 30. Is there anyone in the nation in position to challenge them.

One never knows.

 

[Stickman413]

The theory would make more sense if the taters would get smoked each year in the playoffs. Instead they smoke the other team. And last year they smoked Big bad Alabama 44-16. Line up and beat them. We get a shot every year to shut them up.