Do you ever think you might be incorrect?
Gross generalization
Has this massive nexus between politics and sport
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Do you ever think you might be incorrect?
I do expect the kneeling to work it's way into college sports this year. We may be seeing this for a while.
What kind of response is that? Can't I ask the same of anyone else on here that posts all the time?
I found the example to be a broad , sweeping generalization of those he considers hypocritical. Not all of us spend all of our time watching political shows. It’s still ok to disagree, right? Certainly it’s your right to ask whatever you wish. Sorry if I came across in an offensive manner. My apologies
Yea right, I would have been fired and so would any other employee who worked for my company. Instead the NFL players get awards for doing that. It don't work that way in most work places.
Yes, I point out conservatives because they seem to be the ones up in arms about people kneeling during the national anthem.
I disagree with you. I think if players are forced into a very political listening to the national anthem, they have the right to kneel Inside, outside, on top of, under the stadium.
But that’s fine. People can tell who I clearly ignore.That’s always Irrelevant to me. I’m not here to change opinions. That never happens. I’m here to give my own.
“ your own “ opinions seem to describe other opinions as “silly,irrelevant,absurd,”etc. come off as very condescending. Also,changing other opinions “never happens “? That describes your opinions to a tee. Agree to disagree. Never marginalized others. You may not mean it that way but that’s the attitude that comes through
It's sort of a constantly catchy, questioning, rhetorical reply style if we are discussing the same poster. I'm sure they will see themselves in either case.
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The only thing political about the national anthem was created by Kaepernic. A clear leftist with an agenda. Obviously neither he nor you understand that police work is handled on a city and state level. For him, it was always about being a national attention whore. Real change would be at a local level. So, don’t come at me with this crap about one side being more to blame (Conservatives according to you) than another. All you have to do is simply look at how this whole thing started.
When one is representing a whole (like Kaep with the 49er’s/NFL or students on a college team representing a University) they must understand that they are not just speaking for themselves (something they can do on their own time like the march our team and coaches took part in) but everyone on the sideline with them.
My son who is a Marine finds it to be a slap in the face when someone disrespects the flag and our anthem. The flag and anthem represents unity as a country. Not the politics one chooses to support or disapprove of. This is where the divide happens. When we cannot even agree on “being one nation” “indivisible, with liberty and justice for all” and continually working to better ourselves towards that then we are seeing what happens. Innocent people get hurt, their businesses ruined, racism increases, cities occupied, and everyone pointing the finger at each other.
So, don’t give me the BS about it’s someone’s right not to stand. I agree that’s it’s their right. But not when they represent a greater good. If that’s their choice, don’t do it on my dime. (Our taxes, student fees, tuition, donations, ticket sales, alumni money, etc. make it possible for them to be there in the first place. As I have pointed out many times now, on that field they represent a lot more than their own political stance.
Congrats, you hit it on the head. Terrific analogy. Folks say they can accept kneeling. I suspect they better get ready for a whole lot more than that. For instance,those silly commercial break moments at CLA will become social justice breaks, but only for myriad political groups. If you don't applaud, you get looked at; if you react negatively, who knows what happens to you. They might put you on the kiss cam. (We need a kiss my A$$ cam, particularly for the coaching).
Your beliefs will become their cost to you for admission. Based on Mark Cubans Twitter feed, his main concern is learning how to cya his business no matter what it takes. Hope the Dallas fans love it.
And here is the final straw. We used to go to games and see incredible athletes playing a game they love and we love watching. Now you will go to a game and see somebody who told you how you should think, what you should believe, or you don't belong there. The bond between the athletes and the spectator is badly broken. The bond was love of sports. Now......well, I'm not sure.
The cause of racial reconciliation is worthy and necessary. The destruction of sport to get there is ironic. One of the best vehicles to bring us together just broke down.
if I think someone’s opinion is silly, I say it.
yes, changing opinions of someone on a message board never happens.
Disagree. Playing the anthem at every game, spitting contest, and pig race is political. It’s always political.
You son, the marine, is free to think of it any way he chooses, like anyone else. My father in law, the Vietnam vet, has no issue with anyone kneeling. I think he would himself if not for terrible knees.
if people are forced to listen to the anthem, they are going to be free to kneel.
Forced to listen to the anthem? Who forced you to be at the game?
So my son is a history buff. He informed me about how the anthem started at sporting events. During WW1, we (the USA) had lost over 100,000 men in battle. The baseball World Series was being played and one of the service bands that was being honored at the game played the anthem for the seventh inning stretch. One of the players was a soldier and gave a military salute. The rest placed their hands over their heart. This began the tradition of it being played. It was a military move in honor of fallen soldiers. NOT political!!! It was a recognition of those who serve and those who gave their life in battle.
So, if you want to espouse that it is political, maybe you should educate yourself instead of just spouting off BS. The flag and what it represents plus our anthem is a means of drawing us together as a country. You don’t have to like it as you can choose to go to another country that is run by dictators, communist, or socialist and then find out what you are missing in the “land of the free and home of the brave!”
Disagree all you want but it is strictly an opinion not based on facts. Sorry if it hurts your feelings but not really.
That’s interesting.
That has zero to do with the anthem being political now, and being played at everything from dog shows to greased pig races.
I would really hate to separate from the fine people I have met here, at Gamecock Central Forums. But I guess there will soon be no reason to continue, even though we discuss lots of OT things. But it is the Gamecocks that bring us together, just as college football has put us on the same side with a diverse group of people. For once in the south black and white people came together and had something in common, a rallying point, a collective goal. Nothing has brought us together in the South like college football has. Now there are those who would throw all that away. I guess I am too old to understand it.
So, my curiosity is peaked. Why do you think that the anthem is political? And why is it a big deal to you where it is played?
I should also point out to you that it was President Woodrow Wilson that started the tradition of the Star Spangled Banner being played at all military and substantial events.
You want to blame conservatives but again miss on facts. Wilson was a Democrat. This is one of the major problems from the radical left. They want to pick and choose what things they want to shout about. Kinda like you. If you want to have an intelligent conversation, doesn’t it make sense to be factual.
Or are you too busy wanting to erase history, erase all things unifying, and then absolve yourself from any personal responsibility for the direction our country is going by blaming it on “people who watch 8 hours of Fox News and listen to Hannity/Rush”? At least be smart enough to know that people who do that don’t have the time to get out and burn down cities, riot, protest a cows fart, or occupy a community.
Clearly my use of hyperbole and metaphor is intended to make a point. That point is simply this: the fun can easily be removed from sport if we turn it into just another battleground of political and societal disagreements. What greater earthly cause is there than racial equality and reconciliation in this country? None, I would venture. But, we need to protect our shared interests and joys so we can build on them. Destroying those, and everybody else in this cancel culture approach, will backfire. We cannot afford that.
I’m surprised anyone knowledgeable of history would think anything other than its political.
The song itself was a call to arms, ad it has a very political message to it, which is why a lot of people have objected to it over the years,” says Dr. Christopher Olsen, the Dean of the College of Arts and Sciences at Indiana State University. “It is an odd national anthem, because it is so particularly focused.”
But the very notion of playing the national anthem and standing while it plays is a political act. The anthem, a poem written by the attorney Francis Scott Key as he witnessed the attack on Fort McHenry just outside of Baltimore in 1814 as he tried to arrange for the release of a physician being held by the British, is most certainly a paean to the triumph of the U.S. forces defending the Fort. Standing and singing the anthem is, at the least, supporting that. And it’s okay to do so. But it is, nonetheless, political.
The anthem itself is political. So was the man who wrote it. To tell NFL players and NBA coaches and NBA owners to shut up, stop speaking out/making gestures and stick to sports seems to indicate the preference for only one side of a discussion and debate to be heard. And if an NBA player kneels during the playing of the anthem next season, one hopes their voice and arguments will be heard rather than shoved into the quiet safe space of a locker room where no one else can hear them.
https://www.nba.com/article/2018/05/28/morning-tip-national-anthem-history-first-amendment
I don’t consider the pig races and the farmers market Opening a substantial event in most cases.
I blame conservatives now because they are the ones that stain their panties because someone kneels or doesn’t do exactly as they approve during its playing.
Call me crazy but do see every day the left is the one that gets their “panties in a wad “when others don’t do or say or believe what they want. Ones who don’t get on knee will be outed for sure. Other areas too
I think both sides see it all the time.
everytime I flip by LImbaugh or some right wing talker, they are whining about the loss of America. I can’t understand it because trump has made America great again.
Interesting that you quote someone’s opinion from the NBA website. The anthem was penned as Francis Scott Key (a lawyer and amateur poet) saw the aftermath at Fort McKinley from the British attack in the War of 1812. He saw a battle worn flag and wrote a poem that later became the song we know today. Please tell me how that is political over mere patriotism.
See post above.
you can’t claim sitting or kneeling is a political act but standing isn’t. Can’t have it both ways. Sorry.
The tradition (again) at sporting events started as a sign of respect for our military and those who died in WW1. That is why people stand today. Out of that respect is why it has become a time honored tradition. (I have never been to a pig race or the farmer’s market. Doesn’t sound like my cup of tea, but I would stand there as well even if I didn’t think it was a significant enough event. Someone obviously does so...) People can make whatever cause they want out of it; but the truth is what it is.
Liberal leftist have removed prayer from schools, the Bible, 10 commandments from courthouses, tried to get “In God We Trust” off of our money, and have had historical monuments defaced, destroyed and removed. Maybe you agree with all of this or maybe not. But truth is as our country, it’s Flag, anthem, and our pledge is disrespected you will continue to hear people raising hell about it. So, pick your panties out of you a$$ and grow a pair to at a minimum have enough respect for those who have gave all for your freedoms and those who continue to serve to stand. If anyone cannot agree with that, maybe they should find a country that better suits them.
Liberal leftist have removed prayer from schools, the Bible, 10 commandments from courthouses, tried to get “In God We Trust” off of our money, and have had historical monuments defaced, destroyed and removed. Maybe you agree with all of this or maybe not. But truth is as our country, it’s Flag, anthem, and our pledge is disrespected you will continue to hear people raising hell about it. So, pick your panties out of you a$$ and grow a pair to at a minimum have enough respect for those who have gave all for your freedoms and those who continue to serve to stand. If anyone cannot agree with that, maybe they should find a country that better suits them.
You’ve stated why the tradition started twice now. I guess those folks in the 18th century just weren’t patriotic.
no one has removed prayer from school. Students and teachers are free to pray all they like at school.
I'm a veteran and kneeling during national anthem doesn't disrespect me
https://www.tennessean.com/story/opinion/2018/02/08/im-veteran-and-kneeling-during-national-anthem-doesnt-disrespect-me/316881002/
