I appreciate everything Spurrier has done for our football program, but Dawn Staley has turned our women's bball team into a national powerhouse.
IS Dawn Staley the greatest hire in the history of USC athletics?
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Our college baseball program has always been a powerhouse. Staley has turned a nothing program into a powerhouse.
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Somehow we got Lou Holtz to take over the worst team I've ever witnessed apart from a church league basketball team that wore Doc Martins and jeans to play basketball.
It wasn't a powerhouse. It was a good NCAA team, but it wasn't elite. Tanner took it from good to great.
Now, Dawn took our WBB program from the depths of Hell to the top, and she's only going to get better as a coach.
I cant believe what i'm seeing...Steve Spurrier is the greatest hire in the history of USC athletics...hands down, not even a question.
If people will step back a second, take a deep breath and write down on paper what Spurrier has brought to this athletic program nationwide, maybe some will leave the fog and begin to see things clearly.
Dawn Staley could win a NC this year.
Ray Tanner won 2 NC's
But neither compare to what Spurrier has been for the USC awareness on and off the field across the country.
This post was edited on 2/24 12:42 AM by bosoxcock
If people will step back a second, take a deep breath and write down on paper what Spurrier has brought to this athletic program nationwide, maybe some will leave the fog and begin to see things clearly.
Dawn Staley could win a NC this year.
Ray Tanner won 2 NC's
But neither compare to what Spurrier has been for the USC awareness on and off the field across the country.
This post was edited on 2/24 12:42 AM by bosoxcock
You're right, but what the op meant was "is she the best coach" as opposed to "has she made the biggest contribution to the athletic program".
I agree that Spurrier has made the biggest contribution to the athletic program and he's had a major impact in terms of exposure, capital improvements, etc. He did a lot/ most of that with his name alone, and much of it was done before he even fielded a top ten team. But he's in third place at best in terms of the product on the field.
Tanner by far. Bobby Richardson started the USC run in the 70's but like Spurrier despite all the success he has no titles. Tanner has two national titles. There is nothing to compare that to yet. In 10 years Spurrier has had 3 great years, 1 pretty good and 6 so so. Spurrier is in the Bobby Richardson / Frank McGuire category right now IMO which is still impressive but two national title trophies trumps everything to this point. Pam Parsons had some success also in womens hoops but I'd give the nod to Dawn in that area.
I think my fog is based on folks who think that everything besides football is second class at best.
Also, I would interpret that "the greatest hire in the history of USC athletics" does not necessarily have to be a coach. It could be an administrator who sets up a responsible fiscal policy, brings harmony within the athletic department, etc.
Perhaps TrailerBoy meant "the greatest COACHING hire in the history of USC athletics." Still, you would need to define what "great" means - championships, publicity, etc.
Nobody had ever heard of South Carolina until Frank McGuire was hired.
McGuire
Spurrier-college football still the most important sport
Tanner-best on the field hire
Dawn Staley-get back to you in 5 years on true effect of this hire
McGuire
Spurrier-college football still the most important sport
Tanner-best on the field hire
Dawn Staley-get back to you in 5 years on true effect of this hire
Is this seriously a question???
Tanner: 6 trips to World Series 2 National Titles
Staley: 0 trips to Final Four 0 National Titles
Next question.
Tanner: 6 trips to World Series 2 National Titles
Staley: 0 trips to Final Four 0 National Titles
Next question.
I don't think DS has had time to establish that so far, but she may be on her way.
SOS has won 65% of the games he's coached here, and is 5-4 in bowl games. What he's accomplished off the field in terms of upgrades to facilities, etc can't be measured except but by the "wow" factor.
Ray Tanner won 70% of his games here and qualified for post season play 13 consecutive times. He took USC to 6 College World Series and won 2 of them. He won SEC coach of the year 3 times and national coach of the year 3 times. When he retired he was the second winningest coach in SEC history trailing only Skip Bertman of LSU. He also oversaw the construction of Carolina Stadium, arguably the finest college baseball facility in the country. In my opinion, per the words of MC Hammer, "can't touch this".
SOS has won 65% of the games he's coached here, and is 5-4 in bowl games. What he's accomplished off the field in terms of upgrades to facilities, etc can't be measured except but by the "wow" factor.
Ray Tanner won 70% of his games here and qualified for post season play 13 consecutive times. He took USC to 6 College World Series and won 2 of them. He won SEC coach of the year 3 times and national coach of the year 3 times. When he retired he was the second winningest coach in SEC history trailing only Skip Bertman of LSU. He also oversaw the construction of Carolina Stadium, arguably the finest college baseball facility in the country. In my opinion, per the words of MC Hammer, "can't touch this".
For now, Tanner and Spurrier, Staley in third IMO, give her some time, she may move up in Rankings..
nope - BOO MAJOR is greater than Dawn
"During her tenure at South Carolina, Major has led the Gamecocks to two NCEA Overall Championships (2005, 2007), three consecutive NCEA Hunter Seat National Championships (2005, 2006, 2007), one Southern Equestrian Championship (2012), and one SEC Championship (2013). After the Gamecocks upset No. 1 Georgia and No. 2 Auburn to win the inaugural SEC Championships in 2013, Major was voted SEC Coach of the Year."
"During her tenure at South Carolina, Major has led the Gamecocks to two NCEA Overall Championships (2005, 2007), three consecutive NCEA Hunter Seat National Championships (2005, 2006, 2007), one Southern Equestrian Championship (2012), and one SEC Championship (2013). After the Gamecocks upset No. 1 Georgia and No. 2 Auburn to win the inaugural SEC Championships in 2013, Major was voted SEC Coach of the Year."
This actually is an interesting question from Trailerparkboy. It's hard to compare a womens basketball coach against college football, but if we did, here is my opinion...Dawn Staley is not a homerun, she's a grand slam of a hire. She is
easily a top five coach at this time in all of womens basketball...you have Geno, then the Stanford coach I would think,
then I think Staley is there. She has practically instantly made Carolina a national power, and as long as she is here,
that's not going to change. In college football, can we compare her to an Urban Meyer, Jim Harbaugh, or Gary Patterson? Not on accomplishments yet, she'll get there with her accomplishments, but on just what she means to a program. I think a lot of people really don't understand this. Spurrier is a hall of fame college football coach, but is he top five in his sport right now? No, unfortunately he is not. Staley is one of the best hires, if not THE best hire, for this university.
This post was edited on 2/24 12:03 PM by allboutsc
easily a top five coach at this time in all of womens basketball...you have Geno, then the Stanford coach I would think,
then I think Staley is there. She has practically instantly made Carolina a national power, and as long as she is here,
that's not going to change. In college football, can we compare her to an Urban Meyer, Jim Harbaugh, or Gary Patterson? Not on accomplishments yet, she'll get there with her accomplishments, but on just what she means to a program. I think a lot of people really don't understand this. Spurrier is a hall of fame college football coach, but is he top five in his sport right now? No, unfortunately he is not. Staley is one of the best hires, if not THE best hire, for this university.
This post was edited on 2/24 12:03 PM by allboutsc
Boo Major is the greatest ladies coach EVER at USC
"In the first seven years of coaching at USC, Major took 22 riders to compete as individuals to IHSA Nationals. Major coached the Zone 5 Region 2 High Point Hunt Seat rider fives times, including 2004 National Champion Tara Brothers. At the 2004 IHSA Nationals, Major received the Cacchione Cup/USEF Coach's Award, given to the coach of the IHSA National Hunter Seat Champion. She coached the High Point Western Rider, Assistant Coach Ruth Sorrel, of Zone 5 Region 2 in 2000."
"In the first seven years of coaching at USC, Major took 22 riders to compete as individuals to IHSA Nationals. Major coached the Zone 5 Region 2 High Point Hunt Seat rider fives times, including 2004 National Champion Tara Brothers. At the 2004 IHSA Nationals, Major received the Cacchione Cup/USEF Coach's Award, given to the coach of the IHSA National Hunter Seat Champion. She coached the High Point Western Rider, Assistant Coach Ruth Sorrel, of Zone 5 Region 2 in 2000."
I respectively disagree with you about the baseball program not being elite. I think it was, granted at the time Tanner took over it was not elite but we had played for a number of NCs before Tanner got here. Now, Tanner took the program to greater heights thats for sure.
This post was edited on 2/24 1:19 PM by Freddie.B.Cocky
It is hard to compare Staley to Tanner to SOS...
Tanner inherrited a better product and better reputation program; but did something never done at USC...get a NC x2
SOS has definitely made a bigger splash than even Tanner with the media attention and funds raised to improve facilities. While the FB team is better than ever, it has still missed on potential opportunities to make a move.
Staley would be my vote though...she took a dumpster fire, and has us in the NC conversation
Tanner inherrited a better product and better reputation program; but did something never done at USC...get a NC x2
SOS has definitely made a bigger splash than even Tanner with the media attention and funds raised to improve facilities. While the FB team is better than ever, it has still missed on potential opportunities to make a move.
Staley would be my vote though...she took a dumpster fire, and has us in the NC conversation
Why does everyone have to "step back" and "take a deep breath" when you address them? It's a flipping conversation, not some end of days crisis. Are you looking in a mirror when you write this stuff? And FYI, it's ok if people don't agree with you, doesn't mean they're in a fog and needing to see things clearly. I think what you meant to say was "see things as you do.".
This post was edited on 2/24 2:00 PM by G-C-Gamecock
Every sport's ultimate goal is Championships, and Ray Tanner got us two, back-to-back, in one of the "Big Three" sports. What SOS has done is remarkable, and Dawn Staley may end up being the greatest. But as of today, I don't understand how it can't be Ray Tanner. SOS has more "WOW" factor, sure, and is much more famous. But when the rubber meets the road, it's Tanner.
I agree; we've had a top baseball program for 40 years, though Tanner did take it to the next level. If Dawn wins a national championship then she cements her legacy.
In case you missed it...
Lou Holtz was 33-37 at South Carolina
Frank McGuire gave us the first nationally recognized team in any sport ever
Basically a tie between Holtz and Spurrier ... a joint effort, if you will. Holtz literally saved our football program from the hell that was the Sparky/Scott eras (in the wake of JoeMo's untimely death). The end of the Holtz era could obviously have been better, but he brought us back to respectability and improved our talent level by leaps and bounds (see OL in 1999).
Spurrier then took over in '05 and gradually took us to a Top 10 level, during the most dominant period in SEC football history I might add. It speaks volumes that last year's 7-6 record (with Bowl win) was almost universally seen as a disappointment, by USC fans and pundits alike. Being a USC fan since birth, I never thought I'd see anything like our 2010-2013 run (42-11 record, 3 Top-10's, and #4 ranking in '13).
Honorable mentions ... Ray Tanner (see the CWS rings), Frank McGuire (ACC hoops power during his heyday), and Eddie Fogler (won SEC title during very good period of SEC basketball history).
Spurrier then took over in '05 and gradually took us to a Top 10 level, during the most dominant period in SEC football history I might add. It speaks volumes that last year's 7-6 record (with Bowl win) was almost universally seen as a disappointment, by USC fans and pundits alike. Being a USC fan since birth, I never thought I'd see anything like our 2010-2013 run (42-11 record, 3 Top-10's, and #4 ranking in '13).
Honorable mentions ... Ray Tanner (see the CWS rings), Frank McGuire (ACC hoops power during his heyday), and Eddie Fogler (won SEC title during very good period of SEC basketball history).
