It is going on 8 years since we beat clemmons in football. Do we have a chance this year. It's getting ridiculous if you...
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You hit the nail on the head. Carolina may never have sustained success unless they adopt a champions mentality and expect greatness. Letting mediocrity linger and even rewarding mediocrity won’t get it. I’ve said this several times, but whoever gave Muschamp that enormous buyout when there was absolutely no reason to, as no one else wanted him, should have long ago been fired. They rewarded mediocrity and never answered for it. Bonehead decisions like that signify the prisoners are running the prison and at USC the prisoners are still in charge.
Take your feelings out of it. We aren’t close and they likely won’t fall far enough. We are gonna have to catch up some and that takes a long time in our situation. Just too many land mines in our schedule to start putting up 8+ wins and selling recruits on that.
On a side note I have to go to the parents weekend up there in sept. My wife said “well u went to our older daughters at USC so we are going”
I will go to USC’s the week after though.
On a side note I have to go to the parents weekend up there in sept. My wife said “well u went to our older daughters at USC so we are going”
I will go to USC’s the week after though.
We can't lose sight of the fact we were very competitive against them prior to Muschamp's arrival.
Even our fragmented 2015 team had them in a nail biter before they went on to finish 2nd in the country.
We just have to climb out of the hole that Champ built.
The bottom line of our current futility rests with the mouth of the person who brought us our greatest sucesss-Steve Spurrier. His statement about only a couple years left tanked what was shaping to be one of our best recruiting classes ever. We could have worked through a head coach in waiting situation to protect us if he felt the need to express a definitive timetable. Instead he bailed before the season was out his last year and here we are. Power 5 success is about building depth with limited drop off and we absolutely were destroyed after that point and not coincidentally Clemson was playing in a national championship a few years later. Dabo ought to send Steve a very nice Christmas basket every year because he wouldn’t have survived loss No.6 to us whatever the record and therein lies the difference between how the schools approach their football programs.
1. We popped steroids left and right.
2. Hired a no nonsense tough coach that smoked a pack of cigarettes every quarter. Muschamp acted tough. Joe Morrison was tough.
3. Had a little bit of Black Magic on our side.
4. Had a couple of All Americans too.
Spurrier's actions in 2015 is the reason we've been blasted the last 5 years?
The team Muschamp inherited was likely his best team. As mentioned above, the 2015 team came within a hair of beating one of the best teams Clemson has ever assembled.
Muschamp's recruiting classes were in the Top 20. His coaching and leadership were the issues.
I wouldn't say a hair, did we ever lead in that game? If I remember we were down double digits with a minute to play in the game and scored late. It was competitive but I think they led the entire game and we never were in position to win it.
Maybe not a hair, but it was a 3-point game in the 4th quarter and they were sweating it.
Our 4th quarters vs. Clemson under Muschamp were typically 40+ point leads and them trying to find ways not to run up the score far worse.
Hey Concrete...take your love for Clemson on over to your own board
I am Clemson fan and have been all of my life. I'm not here to hurt your feeling or piss you off directly or indirectly. My comments in this thread are true and not disrespectful to you has a Gamecock fan
I sure as hell hope you're right. That would make the opening weekend of college football so much more enjoyable.
Growing up in the 80’s and 90’s we at least had a shot to win every so often. We haven’t been close. At the least we have 2-3 more years before we can compete.
Many of the Syracuse players were quoted saying how classy they thought Dabo was for doing that and appreciated it. They could have said nothing.
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I think I remember coach K doing this to some teams, and it was called a class move. But it's been years.
Ok, I'll rephrase the question, how did we beat Georgia two years ago. My point is, inspiring confidence goes a long way to help with a player being labeled a three star. Not that Muschamp inspired so well, but I think a lot a players from Georgia wanted to prove they were worthy of the big game match up against Georgia. Clemson can be beat this year, but it will take confidence from with in. In the end, It would probably be better if Beamer only wins a max of 5 or 6 games this year so people don't get overly hyped about the state of the program. It will take time to reestablish relationships and build the team .
They did because they never stop working, and have had great continuity even during those 5 losing years to us. They kept the same core staff and UPGRADED while we have had two variations of staff, and recently downgraded. Plus...the "talent" level right now.....could lead to some more disappointing results despite what all the for hire sunshine pumpers say. I don't think last year was the basement for our program, and the gap has not narrowed from where we are vs. where Clemson is.
It isn't a chicken curse. It's an organization of ineptitude at this point, and it's continuing to be run in that direction. It's like seeing a picture of a once smoking hot lady in the county lockup due to meth with one tooth in her head....makes no sense. That's just where we are in reality- and realizing where and what you are is part of being able to change courses and actions to better your position.
Midline - you don't need to answer and I don't want you to.
But you are obviously a coach (or former one). You know too much, are right too often and cut through all the typical BS scenarios that are thought up by those who watch too much Lifetime channel on TV. God bless you. Old Carolina fans still live.
There are definitely lessons to be learned from that game. Georgia’s center was not very good that year, and he was lined up across from Kinlaw. It disrupted Georgia’s entire offense. Once Kinlaw left, we have been pushed around pretty badly.
So.... basically you expect Clemson to win?
No. I think UGA wins. I think UGA will run the ball well enough to win. Clemson couldn't run last year with generational talent at QB and the best RB in their history. Doubtful to me they will have that fixed by Game 1, particularly against the UGA front 7. As for my Kirby comment, it was tongue in cheek. Although, he does occasional pull off a head-scratcher.
Well, the original post was nothing more than bait for the gloomy crowd. I just don't understand why people seem to enjoy dwelling on negative stuff so much.Man , I knew this would turn into a whine-o-thon
How did SC beat Georgia two years ago? Congrats on that win but it had less to do with confidence and much more to do with 4 turnovers and two missed field goals.
I know Good Lord. Yes, we have all been negative from time to time. But some just live for it.
Is it being negative or having a realistic conversation about the state of our two programs?
On the flip side of that I think Georgia will struggle to run on Clemson’s defense. Clemson’s defense is going to be under estimated this year. That dL will have way more depth than it has the last 2 years. I see a very good game and it could be Interesting. I thinks it’s to close to call.
Clemson better hope Georgia doesn't watch the game against Ohio state last year, they could get a quick L on the record.
I don't read or hear where anyone is underestimating Clemson's dline. They seem to be on everyone's list as best in the country. I don't think UGA runs wild on them, I just think UGA, as a better running team overall, will likely have more success on the ground than Clemson will. I'm also hoping Venables trots out the same Tiger safeties who made Justin Fields look like Peyton Manning.
But what is the point of the exercise? Does it make anybody feel better? Is there anything we can do about the situation? Schadenfreude can be OK, but it's taking pleasure the in the misfortune of others, not in one's own misfortune. This is more akin that standing on the street corner yelling, "Woe is me, woe is me."
Speaking of Coack K and SOS, will the same thing that happened to the Gamecocks when SOS said he was leaving happen to Duke basketball now that K is leaving?
