NCAA Investigation

[Harvard Gamecock]

Dennis Dodd

@dennisdoddcbs

Emmert: The NCAA is investigating "a number" of schools for NIL violations.


Oh this is hilarious. Per Dennis Dodd (CBS Sports) the NCAA is investigating schools for NIL violations.
The Supreme Court ruling allowed the NIL to be implemented was a direct repudiation of the NCAA argument.
So I am perplexed as to the NCAA strategy on this issue. Has to be some kind of misguided power play by Emmert.

 

[USCBatgirl21]

There are still guidelines to NIL that have to be followed. That could be the only avenue the NCAA would have to investigate.

 

[viennacocks]

There are still guidelines to NIL that have to be followed. That could be the only avenue the NCAA would have to investigate.

Agreed but we all know the ncaa is impotent. Words are only words unless it's a non power school.

 

[Neanderthal]

Emmert is probably trying to figure out a way the ncaa can get most of that money from the kids. Maybe institute an ncaa nil tax on them.

 

[CCUIrmo]

The NCAA will only find issues with FCS schools and the Group of 5 schools. Most Power 5 schools will be free and clear, i.e. Alabama, Ohio St. etc. There will be some FBS schools to get in a little trouble like Wake Forest, S Car, Mich St. but the big wigs have done everything perfect per NCAA so this is just a "flex my muscles on the little guy" play.

 

[Neanderthal]

“If Indians is found in violation, the NCAA will put Cleveland State on probation.” Or something to that effect. Who said that? Was it Rollie Massimino?

 

[CarolinaBro]

The NCAA will soon be irrelevant and there's nothing they can do about it. Nice try by them, though.

 

[viennacocks]

The NCAA will soon be irrelevant and there's nothing they can do about it. Nice try by them, though.

In my opinion, they are already irrelevant. They are doing their best to sound relevant.

 

[Joe MorrisonLives]

Dennis Dodd
@dennisdoddcbs

Emmert: The NCAA is investigating "a number" of schools for NIL violations.


Oh this is hilarious. Per Dennis Dodd (CBS Sports) the NCAA is investigating schools for NIL violations.
The Supreme Court ruling allowed the NIL to be implemented was a direct repudiation of the NCAA argument.
So I am perplexed as to the NCAA strategy on this issue. Has to be some kind of misguided power play by Emmert.

NIL isn't pay for play, the rulings against the NCAA are that they can't stop someone from profiting off of their public profile because the NCAA doesn't own it and therefore has no right to police it, but when you play in the NCAA part of the contract is that you're not monetarily rewarded for that labor beyond the expense of your education, that's room, board, books, tutors, and a stipend for real cost of attendance. If you, say, get $50K a year guaranteed just for committing to play OL somewhere, that's got no basis vin your public profile and is only linked to getting paid to play for a specific team, that's a violation of the NIL rules and is no way contradicted by any court rulings.

 

[Legendary Cock]

In my opinion, they are already irrelevant. They are doing their best to sound relevant.

And yet we still bent over and took their BS penalties for what Lamont Evans did to enrich himself.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

Well here is some breaking news.

 

[viennacocks]

NIL isn't pay for play, the rulings against the NCAA are that they can't stop someone from profiting off of their public profile because the NCAA doesn't own it and therefore has no right to police it, but when you play in the NCAA part of the contract is that you're not monetarily rewarded for that labor beyond the expense of your education, that's room, board, books, tutors, and a stipend for real cost of attendance. If you, say, get $50K a year guaranteed just for committing to play OL somewhere, that's got no basis vin your public profile and is only linked to getting paid to play for a specific team, that's a violation of the NIL rules and is no way contradicted by any court rulings.

I read an article that said each OL is getting the $50k in addition to another $100k from other organizations. Each Texas OL will get $150 guaranteed per year. Sweet money for a college student. This is the minimum. The good OL will get much more.

You can't punish these schools because all schools are getting on board.

It's just a matter of time before a very wealthy supporter of a program is going to offer each scholarship player $200,000k+ per year in return for some advertising. It's peanuts for some of these billionaires.

 

[GCDC1959]

“If Indians is found in violation, the NCAA will put Cleveland State on probation.” Or something to that effect. Who said that? Was it Rollie Massimino?

Jerry Tarkanian said ‘the NCAA was so mad at Kentucky they gave Cleveland State two more years of probation’.

He basically said ‘f-you’ to the NCAA years ago but lost a lot of wins.

 

[CCUIrmo]

Why go into this as NCAA when the Tennessee issues are still being dealt with and lets not forget about LSU basketball problems. I am still in shock of how nothing has come of that when they have an audio recording of Wade in that situation. If nothing happens there, then NCAA has no teeth with any school and that will be why. ALL schools will use that against them

 

[Joe MorrisonLives]

I read an article that said each OL is getting the $50k in addition to another $100k from other organizations. Each Texas OL will get $150 guaranteed per year. Sweet money for a college student. This is the minimum. The good OL will get much more.

You can't punish these schools because all schools are getting on board.

It's just a matter of time before a very wealthy supporter of a program is going to offer each scholarship player $200,000k+ per year in return for some advertising. It's peanuts for some of these billionaires.

You can, because some like ours are staying compliant with the reporting requirements and not guaranteeing money to players for committing. You also can't get paid more than your public profile would fetch on the public market for endorsements based on what your name recognition would get in the scenario that someone isn't paying you specifically to get you at their school.

 

[viennacocks]

You can, because some like ours are staying compliant with the reporting requirements and not guaranteeing money to players for committing. You also can't get paid more than your public profile would fetch on the public market for endorsements based on what your name recognition would get in the scenario that someone isn't paying you specifically to get you at their school.

The ones that are staying compliant are the ones the NCAA would hammer. They will look the other way on the bigger, non-compliant schools.

 

[biting curve]

Well here is some breaking news.

It’s going to be investigated in a lot of places.

That QB who is leaving OSU reportedly received over $1 million in “NIL” money to sign there.

Miami has a group of very rich boosters determined to bring them back to prominence, to the point of one booster offering to build a stadium with his own money. You know paying players is part of the equation.

 

[turncock]

Moneyball.

 

[viennacocks]

It’s going to be investigated in a lot of places.

That QB who is leaving OSU reportedly received over $1 million in “NIL” money to sign there.

Miami has a group of very rich boosters determined to bring them back to prominence, to the point of one booster offering to build a stadium with his own money. You know paying players is part of the equation.

Paying players has always been part of the equation.

 

[milehighcock93]

NIL abuse already? Who could have guessed it?

 

[biting curve]

Paying players has always been part of the equation.

It has, but instead of boosters with burner phones passing on debit cards or McDonalds bags of cash you now see rich boosters openly offering 5, 6, and 7 figure incentives.

 

[gamecock1999]

In some ways I think it may be easier for the NCAA to monitor NILs, because it’s already public info to some degree, especially the crowdfunding attempts, whereas the under the table stuff is very hard to trace.

And I don’t think it’s any surprise we hear from the NCAA right after Horns for Heart went viral. They simply can’t let that go on because the charities are not even paying for the NILs under that scheme.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

In some ways I think it may be easier for the NCAA to monitor NILs, because it’s already public info to some degree, especially the crowdfunding attempts, whereas the under the table stuff is very hard to trace.

And I don’t think it’s any surprise we hear from the NCAA right after Horns for Heart went viral. They simply can’t let that go on because the charities are not even paying for the NILs under that scheme.

Jeez, if something is amiss at Texas, and TAMU is being mentioned as under investigation, it's starting to sound like the SWC redux.
(For those too young to remember, Google as to all the cheating done by every school which brought about the demise of the SWC.)

 

[Neanderthal]

A lot of schools have a T. Boone Pickens now ready to throw in some cash.

 

[caughtlookin]

Jeez, if something is amiss at Texas, and TAMU is being mentioned as under investigation, it's starting to sound like the SWC redux.
(For those too young to remember, Google as to all the cheating done by every school which brought about the demise of the SWC.)

I’m ready for SMU to make the big splashes and stick it to the rest of the Texas schools again.

 

[gamecock1999]

Jeez, if something is amiss at Texas, and TAMU is being mentioned as under investigation, it's starting to sound like the SWC redux.
(For those too young to remember, Google as to all the cheating done by every school which brought about the demise of the SWC.)

I think it’s more that the NCAA realizes it’s got to put limits on some of the egregious NIL schemes before kids get paid from them and the entire Longhorns O-line is deemed ineligible, which will not be good for the overall money-making machine. These crowdfunding groups are independent, so I wouldn’t even be surprised if the schools themselves are glad to have the NCAA rein in their more indiscriminate boosters.

 

[uscg1984]

Well here is some breaking news.

Hey! Suddenly, I'm liking NIL and the NCAA a lot more!

 

[rogue cock]

There are still guidelines to NIL that have to be followed. That could be the only avenue the NCAA would have to investigate.

Absolutely, involvement of the University, it's Athletic Department, or any staff being a big one of those.

 

[rogue cock]

It’s going to be investigated in a lot of places.

That QB who is leaving OSU reportedly received over $1 million in “NIL” money to sign there.

Miami has a group of very rich boosters determined to bring them back to prominence, to the point of one booster offering to build a stadium with his own money. You know paying players is part of the equation.

I thought that was a Texas-based company. He simply had to be out of HS to take advantage of it.

 

[Legendary Cock]

I’m ready for SMU to make the big splashes and stick it to the rest of the Texas schools again.

The return of the Pony Excess? 😏

 

[world famous 3rd base hecklers]

There are still guidelines to NIL that have to be followed. That could be the only avenue the NCAA would have to investigate.

I say that horse has left the barn... The NCAA won't have a leg to stand on in court...

 

[ansoncock]

Dennis Dodd
@dennisdoddcbs

Emmert: The NCAA is investigating "a number" of schools for NIL violations.


Oh this is hilarious. Per Dennis Dodd (CBS Sports) the NCAA is investigating schools for NIL violations.
The Supreme Court ruling allowed the NIL to be implemented was a direct repudiation of the NCAA argument.
So I am perplexed as to the NCAA strategy on this issue. Has to be some kind of misguided power play by Emmert.

It is safe to presume we already know which schools are NOT going to be investigated.

 

[Six Million Dollar Man]

Well here is some breaking news.

A Big XII gug reporting on a bunch of SEC teams...

 

[rogue cock]

I say that horse has left the barn... The NCAA won't have a leg to stand on in court...

Not when they are also state law. And the court decision only spoke to the individual athlete's ability to market his or her own NIL to actual businesses for their marketing/adverstising.

 

[polo-loco]

Absolutely, involvement of the University, it's Athletic Department, or any staff being a big one of those.

They can't coordinate anything, essentially. Good luck with that. It's the Wild West.

 

[rogue cock]

They can't coordinate anything, essentially. Good luck with that. It's the Wild West.

Yep...it's purely up to the individual athelete. Can not use anything related to the school.

 

[vacock#]

Yep...it's purely up to the individual athelete. Can not use anything related to the school.

I agree with that but just wondering if the NCAA would be upset if the school gives statistics such as, at our school or area of the county, athletes typically are paid this much compared to other schools or areas. They are not facilitating but just giving statistics.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

I agree with that but just wondering if the NCAA would be upset if the school gives statistics such as, at our school or area of the county, athletes typically are paid this much compared to other schools or areas. They are not facilitating but just giving statistics.

I'm not in favor of having to create a new task for school administrators to seek, collect, store, analyze and disseminate this data. That's a whole new position in and of itself.
If the NCAA wants that data, make it incumbent for them to acquire it themselves
Just my opinon.

 

[rogue cock]

I agree with that but just wondering if the NCAA would be upset if the school gives statistics such as, at our school or area of the county, athletes typically are paid this much compared to other schools or areas. They are not facilitating but just giving statistics.

I don't see that specifically among the prohibited activites in the state law (which I think pretty much correlates with the NCAA bylaws). But I'm not sure I'd want to be the first to try it. It get close to a violation of (E).

Here are the prohibitions of the institution and those related to it:

"(C) An institution of higher learning or its athletic conference cannot directly or indirectly create or facilitate compensation opportunities for the use of an intercollegiate athlete's name, image, or likeness.

(D) An institution of higher learning may not use or allow boosters to directly or indirectly create or facilitate compensation opportunities for the use of an intercollegiate athlete's name, image, or likeness as a recruiting inducement or as a means of paying for athletics participation.

(E) An intercollegiate athlete at an institution of higher learning may not use the institution of higher learning's facilities, uniforms provided by the institution of higher learning, or the institution of higher learning's intellectual property, including, but not limited to, the unauthorized use of a registered trademark or product protected by copyright, in connection with the use of the intercollegiate athlete's name, image, or likeness activities.

(F) Activities related to an intercollegiate athlete's use of his name, image, or likeness for compensation are prohibited from taking place during the intercollegiate athlete's participation in academic, athletic, or team-mandated activities as defined by the institution of higher learning.

(G) Activities related to an intercollegiate athlete's use of his name, image, or likeness for compensation cannot be contingent on a prospective intercollegiate athlete's enrollment at a particular institution of higher learning or its athletic conference and cannot otherwise be used as an inducement by an institution of higher learning or a booster.

(H) An institution of higher learning; an entity with a purpose that includes supporting or benefiting an institution of higher learning or its athletic programs; or an officer, director, or employee of an institution of higher learning or such an entity may not directly or indirectly compensate a current or prospective intercollegiate athlete for the use of the intercollegiate athlete's name, image, or likeness."

(D) is a big problem for universities.....and probably where the NCAA investigation is concentrating on.

2021-2022 Bill 685: Athletics

 

[coolcock2001]

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