Ouch.
That is not impressive for a third year staff.
Even though the defense is ranked higher (I know), I think we'll see some changes on the defensive side this off season.
Open and honest discussion of HC Shane Beamer
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Ouch.
That is not impressive for a third year staff.
Even though the defense is ranked higher (I know), I think we'll see some changes on the defensive side this off season.
And, unfortunately, next year, will probably be worse. And, while you are right, no need to pull off next year's scabs quite yet,
But, it is gonna leave a mark!
Yeah everyone is ignoring how bad the offense is because of how bad the defense looks. The opposite of last year.
Just such a shame that contract we gave Beamer after last year.
Meanwhile, as we speak on this Tuesday night, Chadwell/Liberty are handling WKU to move to 8-0, in year 1
Can't speak for everyone, but I can believe that people see the vast improvement in Rattler compared to last year, and how screwy our offense was for two years. (Insert comment about the 2 games that happened after that guy was benched....we know.)
Perhaps people look back and think if we had not had all the injuries on OLine and WR, throw in rattlers performance, and they are giving a first year guy a pass.
The defense? Third year, it's a cluster. It's time. It's only a question of who from that side is gone.
As for the contract? Horrible timing as usual. The team drops off just after a new big extension, just like muschamp. There was a story I saw elsewhere that had the Arkansas guy's contract dictated by wins and losses.
It would be nice to see the buyout of a coach shrink after 4 and 5 win seasons.
You must have gotten hit in the head at your last hamas rally.
100% lie.
I never complain about Beamer. In fact, I have stated several times that we are LUCKY to have him and constantly defend the great job he has done considering the circumstances.
I will be very interested to see if his success translates to a higher level.
I don't think he'll be around if we are coach shopping though. Beamer would have to crash completely to be gone at the end of next year, and I think JC is gone by then.
Our schedule next year is atrocious! It’s like the 300 Spartans versus a Mini-Gun.
Ha. Agreed.
But with 3 patsies and Vandy? We could eek out 5 wins and it won't be a train wreck.
Unless the losses themselves are on the embarrassing level.
Interesting stats, Watson.
SEC Total Offense Rank: #10 == Looks almost exactly like our SEC recruiting and NIL rank:
https://www.secsports.com/statistics/football/team/total
SEC Total Defense Rank: #8
https://www.secsports.com/statistics/football/team/defense
oof
Let go from team. Apparently, refused to travel to Mizzou, unless he started.
Yep. That decision Ray made is gonna haunt us for the next 20 years as we watch him win big elsewhere
Respectfully, 5 wins is a train wreck. Theres no reason this program should miss bowls. We have circumstances that sure, we arent gonna be Alabama or Ohio State. But Arkansas, Missouri and Kentucky seem to be able to do it theres no reason for us to string multiple sub .500 seasons together, not anymore, its not the 1990s anymore.
We haven't had any wins over teams we're not supposed to beat as of yet. The Florida game was a toss up from an odds standpoint. However, they recruit much better than we do on a regular basis. We played well in that game though and should have won it.
Beamer's Senior Class is Muschamp scraps who stuck around. Any decent players from that class fled long ago.
His Junior Class was ranked outside of the Top 50 because of the transition year.
He's lost key players to the NIL/Portal which no other coach in our history had to deal with.
And on top of that, we started the year having the toughest schedule in the country and it remains #1 as of this week.
My point is that context matters. We had a poor night against #17 UT and poor halves against #20 Missouri and #1 UGA. Other than that, the team has been in the fight for the most part.
Until the offense either gets Wells back for finds another receiver who can break tackles from quick outlets around the line of scrimmage, our OL will continue to be exposed and good defenses will continue to tee off. That's just our situation at the moment.
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All true, but those are circumstances every other coach in America deals with also. And a “train wreck” is usually more than 1 persons fault. I blame Ray Tanner for most of this. He KNOWS our SEC schedule is always brutal, and Clemson has been a consistent top 10 team for over a decade, so WHY are we scheduling North Carolina?? Our other 3 non conference should all be sure wins. We need wins, period. Strength of schedule only matters for playoff teams.
It also seems like we have a current culture or making a lot of flashy promises to every recruit, which realistically cant be filled, so that results in toxicity from some players which spreads and encourages portal outs.
We hired someone who was never a coordinator, and he’s struggling to hire good coordinators. Not surprising. While the “other guy” is showing we made a mistake.
And this busted train can see miles down the road into 2024 and beyond and it looks like an even harder road.
Its a train wreck however we look at it
Every coach deals with the toughest schedule in the country?
I personally don't watch the games thinking "why did we run that play?" all the time like has been the case with some previous coaches. Beamer sometimes comes across like an over-caffeinated Ferret. However, if you can get past that and listen to what he's actually saying, it's typically on-point.
It will never happen, but I'd like to see us play Sanders and other promising underclassmen at least for a half each game (except Clemson) to get real game time experience. It doesn't matter what the W-L record is at this point. No one cares if we make the Belk Bowl. Build for next year and beyond the now.
One of the issues we have is that neither the offense or defensive is anything but mediocre right now. These squads practice against each other thru training camp and during the week in season. It's hard to get a feel for how good you are if everything is average. The only way to do that is to get game time experience against various skilled opponents.
This. Play these guys now is to see if you need to fill holes in recruiting as well as NIL and portal acquistions. Plan for tomorrow at this point.
Just one point. I hate to point to the portal as a negative for us. It very well may be, especially in coming months.
But we're also being single handedly drug up and down the field by a portal qb.
I honestly shudder to think of this team without Rattler.
But we're also being single handedly drug up and down the field by a portal qb.
I honestly shudder to think of this team without Rattler.
No but part of our train wreck is Ray Tanner. Look at our 2027 non conference schedule he gave us to go along with the brutal SEC:
2027
- 09/04 - East Carolina
- 09/11 - Appalachian State
- 09/18 - at Miami (FL)
- 11/27 - Clemson
Without Rattler we go 5-7 in 2022 and 3-9 this year at best
Dunno. Personally, I'd rather have exciting games week-to-week in season rather than blowing out the Jacksonville States and jockeying for some non-playoff bowl game, but that's just me. If they were to change the playoffs to 16 teams, that mentality might change. Until then, it doesn't matter much if we're 6-6 or 8-4 as long as the games are entertaining.
Ok, then our freshmen and backups never develop. How do 2nd and 3rd string QBs develop if the starter is always in bc every game is “exciting”?
Id rather go 9-3 with 2 boring games than 5-7 but 12 name brand opponents. Just me. Show me one consistent 9-ish win program that doesnt play 1-2 cupcakes a year?
Imagine if this year instead of Furman and Jax State we scheduled App State and Miami? We would be staring at 2-10 possibly . But hey they’re exciting i guess
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Every one knew that Beamer was a "risky" hire. Hiring anyone who has never been a head coach or even a coordinator to be head coach in the SEC would seem to have a 90% failure rate at best. No genuine AD would play those odds. And a $17 million buy out? AFTER a huge Muschamp buy out? Stark raving fool is the only way to describe it.
I really wonder if Chadwell was the candidate that Tanner just left in the middle of and never came back?
That is true. You might be asking the wrong guy on this one. I like watching the games. If we win, that's a bonus. If we lose, I just go about my day. I don't internalize anything about Gamecock Athletics or sports other people play. I did a little when I was a student and realized there's not much upside.
I have friends who attended schools who are regularly in the Top 10 in Football. Overall, they don't seem to derive much more enjoyment than the game being played itself either. With the addition of the NIL, it's just a more rigged casino now anyway. I post on these forums because I trade futures during the day and it's a good distraction at times.
This makes it even weirder. If you don't care whether we win or not, why do you care who the coach is?
let us fans who do care about winning get a coach in that makes us happy so we can all be happy.
I would agree, unless we start finding ourselves in that 5-7 win land year after year. There is something to be said about that extra win going to bowl qualification.
I know it doesn't always work out that way.
Because I'm a numbers guy. I like analysis and don't believe churning head coaches is our best option. There's a better chance you dig a deeper hole than find a perfect fit. It's better to spread resources elsewhere like quality position coaches and talent.
Better than correcting a mistake as soon as possible? Right fit? Mainly they just have to be better than the mistake to not go deeper.
Feels like the San Diego Chargers. Made a risky hire, had some early success, but now struggling and everyone knows it was possibly a bad hire now, but many wont admit it and wanna ride it out
The buyout was a situation where we JUST got bitten on. So it does seem odd move to duplicate it such a short time after.
Also, on a side note, thank you. It may not have been your intention, but I think you've made the board a bit more pleasant recently.
