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But they've done better without Chad than with him. Maybe that's worth noting. It's also worth noting that Watson was markedly better than that fellow he replaced - I forget his name now.And Chad Morris taught Dabo how to run a modern offense, Dabo taught him nothing....
Saban is passing on the Bill Bellichek system of coaching organization that wins in college and the NFL. Glad Muschamp is from that tree....
I bet if both coaches were available to be hired right now every school would pick saban.
I don't understand how you can win a NC and no almost zero about Xs and OsThe comparison is absurd. Saban is a defensive guru, and Dabo knows almost "zero" about X's and O's. Yes...Datboy is a great salesman. Saban is a good recruiter too. They are not even in the same time zone, when it comes to coaching football.
I don't understand how you can win a NC and no almost zero about Xs and Os
Saban has had success at more than one place not so for Dabo. The test will be if he ever leaves Klemzon remember how Ford folded at Arkansas? I can put Saban and Dabo in the same sentence and make it cool too. Dabo ain't no Nick Saban.It's like comparing Spieth and Nicklaus. Speith (Dabo) has won at the highest level and has a long career in front of him. But the career is unknown other than potential. Nicklaus (Saban) is the best ever, already proven, many titles.
To even be put in the same sentence with a legend, early in your career, is pretty cool.
Saban has had success at more than one place not so for Dabo. The test will be if he ever leaves Klemzon remember how Ford folded at Arkansas? I can put Saban and Dabo in the same sentence and make it cool too. Dabo ain't no Nick Saban.
Have you ever read where Dabo's name is really up for another job? It's nice that you defend Dabo though you should be on his next Christmas card list. Do you really believe Dabo Swinney could follow Nick Saban at Bama and maintain a level to keep the fan base happy? Spurrier and Holtz thought they could coach pro football too and flopped. The Ole Miss job is open they should call Dabo. Nick Saban could go to Yale and win.You have tough, ever-moving standards. Guess with this new definition, we can't consider Tom Osborne or Joe Paterno successful coaches because they never tried their luck at a different school. Lucky for John Wooden he had two seasons at Indiana State prior to UCLA, otherwise he could not be considered elite.
Have you ever read where Dabo's name is really up for another job? It's nice that you defend Dabo though you should be on his next Christmas card list. Do you really believe Dabo Swinney could follow Nick Saban at Bama and maintain a level to keep the fan base happy? Spurrier and Holtz thought they could coach pro football too and flopped. The Ole Miss job is open they should call Dabo. Nick Saban could go to Yale and win.
That makes senseI'm defending logic. I hope Dabo goes 0-12 this year with a 100-0 loss in Columbia.
But I'll give the man his due. Clemson was not an elite job. They did nothing for 20 years.
He is no Saban but it's a ridiculous conversation because of the two decade age difference. And Saban was as unsuccessful in the NFL as Spurrier and Holtz. Totally different animal. Dabo would be a complete failure in the NFL too because he would no longer have a talent advantage and the folksy, aw-shucks stuff would not work there.
Dabo has nothing to prove - whether he moves or not. Why should he move when he has it made where he is?Saban has had success at more than one place not so for Dabo. The test will be if he ever leaves Klemzon remember how Ford folded at Arkansas? I can put Saban and Dabo in the same sentence and make it cool too. Dabo ain't no Nick Saban.
How many AP Top 10 Power 5 HC have been mentioned for other college HC jobs?Have you ever read where Dabo's name is really up for another job? It's nice that you defend Dabo though you should be on his next Christmas card list. Do you really believe Dabo Swinney could follow Nick Saban at Bama and maintain a level to keep the fan base happy? Spurrier and Holtz thought they could coach pro football too and flopped. The Ole Miss job is open they should call Dabo. Nick Saban could go to Yale and win.
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The comparison is absurd. Saban is a defensive guru, and Dabo knows almost "zero" about X's and O's. Yes...Datboy is a great salesman. Saban is a good recruiter too. They are not even in the same time zone, when it comes to coaching football.
I don't understand how you can win a NC and no almost zero about Xs and Os
Got news for you...Oz. I know plenty of Clemson people that call him a "CEO" and not a coach. He was an average WR coach. He couldn't call plays, if his life depended on it.
How many AP Top 10 Power 5 HC have been mentioned for other college HC jobs?
Jimbo Fisher, Tom Herman, Justin Fuente, and Mike Macintyre were all linked to the LSU job. Several articles stated the Jimbo was offered nearly $7 mil per year.
Ol' Jimbo is a darn good coach. I don't blame LSU for trying to land him. He really knows how to develop QBs.
Questionable ethics when it comes to player discipline, but one of the best game day coaches and recruiters around.
Can't wait to see Jimbo vs. Saban opening weekend in the new ATL stadium, following a Carolina victory in CLT.
Can football season hurry up and get here please? I'm tired of talking about Dabo and ready to talk about real games.
Dabo had two very successful seasons and was lucky to win at least six games and the sheephumpers think they have built the thousand year reicht. Dabo won't last as long as Hitler. In five years the Tillman fanbase will be wanting to get rid of him after Richt, Fisher, Fuentes, Petrino, and Muschamp start laying the wood on his mouthy little ass.It seems many Clemson fans are comparing Datboy to Saban. They're ignoring several major facts, including that Saban has a well established coaching tree, and many top tier Universities have hired/promoted former Saban staff members. I'm certainly not a Clemson expert, but the only coach I can think of that was hired away is Morris.
Saban is considered one of the greatest football minds in the country. Dabo has had success building a program, but he isn't regarded as a great football mind. Saban has built, and found success, at every college football program he's been a part of. I'm no Bama fan, nor do I wave the SEC flag, but comparing the two is laughable. I hate agreeing with Pawwl, jack!
before Watson, what had Dabo really done other than win a bunch of ACC games when the ACC was really bad. Lets see what kind of coach he is when the Auburn Tigers roll in to Pickens county . My money will be on Auburn.It's like comparing Spieth and Nicklaus. Speith (Dabo) has won at the highest level and has a long career in front of him. But the career is unknown other than potential. Nicklaus (Saban) is the best ever, already proven, many titles.
To even be put in the same sentence with a legend, early in your career, is pretty cool.
Fisher has long been unhappy with the FSU admin as well amid a nasty divorce where his wife cheated on him with one of his players. Nonetheless, he stayed put because FSU is a better job than LSU at the present. Herman and Fuente are up and comers and were not at Power 5 schools when courted. Macintyre is at Colorado but not in the top 10, plus there are a lot of HC jobs better than Colorado. In all seriousness, there are not a lot of jobs that are better than where he is. DS does not have the long proven history to be a candidate at the few jobs that are better such as (Bama, OSU, USC, etc)Jimbo Fisher, Tom Herman, Justin Fuente, and Mike Macintyre were all linked to the LSU job. Several articles stated the Jimbo was offered nearly $7 mil per year.
That's one of Klipzun's weak points. If you can catch them by surprise during the game they don't respond well. To win teams have to out coach them during the game.Maybe this doesn't prove that he's not an "X's and O's" type of guy, but the shovel pass during the Pitt game couldn't be stopped. Dabo/Venables made zero defensive adjustments to prevent that play, even though everyone in the house knew it was coming. I will give them credit for shutting it down for the rest of the season, but they did nothing to slow it down against Pitt.
He had a Clemson fan caller comparing Dabo to Nick Saban which is absurd. That's like comparing Dabo to Bear Bryant and only someone stupid would do that....
Fisher has long been unhappy with the FSU admin as well amid a nasty divorce where his wife cheated on him with one of his players. Nonetheless, he stayed put because FSU is a better job than LSU at the present. Herman and Fuente are up and comers and were not at Power 5 schools when courted. Macintyre is at Colorado but not in the top 10, plus there are a lot of HC jobs better than Colorado. In all seriousness, there are not a lot of jobs that are better than where he is. DS does not have the long proven history to be a candidate at the few jobs that are better such as (Bama, OSU, USC, etc)
In other words, you're predicting another black eye for the SEC.Agreed. I really think FSU will beat Bama week 1. Mobile QB's have always given them fits. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see FSU make the CFP this season.
In other words, you're predicting another black eye for the SEC.
The comparison is absurd. Saban is a defensive guru, and Dabo knows almost "zero" about X's and O's. Yes...Datboy is a great salesman. Saban is a good recruiter too. They are not even in the same time zone, when it comes to coaching football.
Saban has had success at more than one place not so for Dabo. The test will be if he ever leaves Klemzon remember how Ford folded at Arkansas? I can put Saban and Dabo in the same sentence and make it cool too. Dabo ain't no Nick Saban.
I think not.I will only be cheering for FSU in 1 game this season and it's not the season opener. I think FSU is going to be very, very good. Jimbo has out recruited Datboy every year he's been at FSU so the roster is loaded with talent.
Our upset of NC State will be a bigger black eye for the ACC, IMO.
There are also the ones who left one school then failed at another? Having success at one doesn't mean it will carry over to the next like I said ask Danny Ford. Ford took over a program Charlie Pell cheated to the top then he crashed at Arkansas when he had to work. I'm not talking about building one program I mean could they do it twice.So by your rule if a coach chooses to stay and build one program, and wins a lot of games there, but decides to retire at that one institution he is not as strong of a coach as those who have been to multiple stops?. I have to disagree there. Tom Osborne and bobby Bowden were fantastic coaches who built the brand of one program only. They don't need to prove it anywhere else.
So do you consider Bobby Bowden and Tom Osborne unproven? Are they not among the great college coaches because they didn't do it at 2 schools?There are also the ones who left one school then failed at another? Having success at one doesn't mean it will carry over to the next like I said ask Danny Ford. Ford took over a program Charlie Pell cheated to the top then he crashed at Arkansas when he had to work. I'm not talking about building one program I mean could they do it twice.
So by your rule if a coach chooses to stay and build one program, and wins a lot of games there, but decides to retire at that one institution he is not as strong of a coach as those who have been to multiple stops?. I have to disagree there. Tom Osborne and bobby Bowden were fantastic coaches who built the brand of one program only. They don't need to prove it anywhere else.
That is not what the point. The point was that Dabo has a goal mine where he is and you couldn't run him off with a stick. Bowden and Osborne, using your examples, had great teams but if either had come to USC would the greatness come with them or are they then be out of then comfort zone? I simply don't believe Dabo could go to another school and have the same success. Dabo is getting a lot of "outside" help at Blemson he ain't no genius. How would he do at Ole Miss?So do you consider Bobby Bowden and Tom Osborne unproven? Are they not among the great college coaches because they didn't do it at 2 schools?