2016 DB recruit Saivion Smith says he will name top 5 soon. Hasn't heard much from SC since they offered. We don't need to stay in touch with 5-star recruits I guess.
Some Things Just Don't Change
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The subject title of your post says it all, "some things just don't change". Some people are always going to hang on every tweet by a teenager and look for the dark cloud in every silver lining. Can we finish up with basketball and baseball before we start criticizing our football coaches recruiting efforts for 2016. Lots to be positive about in Gamecock athletics right now.
Why not? It seems to be the attitude of our coaches. It's not like recruiting should be a year round effort.
The OP's point is valid. The post was about football recruiting, not women's basketball or baseball. Had it been about either of those 2 sports, I'm sure it would have been positive.
This said, after what I've seen this past year, I will never get deeply involved with recruiting again UNTIL NSD. There is simply too much disappointment and factors outside of my control.
This said, after what I've seen this past year, I will never get deeply involved with recruiting again UNTIL NSD. There is simply too much disappointment and factors outside of my control.
Did ya ever stop to think, maybe something changed since we offered? Maybe the coaches see something you and I don't know about. Remember not all 5 stars are 5 stars, and Mizzou has made a living out of kicking everyone's fanny the last two years with a bunch of 2&3 stars.
It's a team sport, kinda like WBB and baseball. What a great win last night. It's great to be a Gamecock!!
It's a team sport, kinda like WBB and baseball. What a great win last night. It's great to be a Gamecock!!
We do have a lot of things going well for our program right now, but football is king in the SEC. The comment of this recruit is unfortunately something we hear too much of from others. Recruiting is a 365 day process.
I agree. Our 'Gosh-golly-gee whiz' laid-back attitude on recruiting just doesn't hack it in the real world of dog-eat-dog SEC football. Unfortunately, I think Dabo DOES get it and he's turned Clemson's program into a well-oiled recruiting machine. At one time several years ago, we had the upper hand, but SOS took a golf break and the little weasel up in the hills saw an opening and . . .jumped in. It's up to us (the whole Carolina Community) to get us back on track again. JMO.
Are you kidding me? How soon we forget. Spurrier's 2 to 3 years comment, 9 de-commits(or is it 10?), the pathetic defense of '14, the 4th quarter collapses and a losing record in the SEC?!!!!
I'm sorry if I'm concerned that our staff might be a little lazy on the recruiting trail, but there seems to be a pattern of incompetence. When recruits are making comments that indicate our coaches don't stay in contact, I'm disappointed. Maybe I shouldn't be surprised, but I expected a little more urgency with the recruiting effort going forward.
There are some that like to be hounded and others that don't. I know if it were me and I got a coach calling me everyday or every other day I would get to the point where I just didn't bother with it. We have coaches that need to coach not be telemarketers, there is a difference.
Really, how many recruits does each coach have primary responsibility for? 10, 15, 25? Even at 30, that would be over 250 "active" recruits per recruiting cycle that we are going after, which isn't likely. My guess is we have maybe 1/2 that amount that we "actively" target. So, how hard is it for a coach to put his approximately 15 recruits into "constant contact" or some other program that generates e-mails once a week. How long would it take to write one e-mail or text message to 15 recruits? My guess is way less than one hour per week. They can't be that busy...
Like a previous poster indicated, Dabo has made a commitment to recruiting that we apparently haven't made. It seems their staff is younger and hungrier, at least as to recruiting. Yes, we used to be able to coach them up, but would you rather "coach up" a 4* or 5* or hope to coach up a 3*. It all comes down to recruiting.
Like a previous poster indicated, Dabo has made a commitment to recruiting that we apparently haven't made. It seems their staff is younger and hungrier, at least as to recruiting. Yes, we used to be able to coach them up, but would you rather "coach up" a 4* or 5* or hope to coach up a 3*. It all comes down to recruiting.
This is a very mature and intelligent comment. I apologize for being so negative and I hope you can forgive me. I should be completely satisfied with a 7-6 record(3-5 in SEC), after being ranked in the top 10 preseason poll. I'm sure there are tons of teams out there that have 10 recruits de-commit before signing day. If it ain't broke, why fix it?
I know its tough yall havent had anything to complain about since Bush was president and this PASSED season. We only went 7-6. Do something with the D, well we got a new guy running the D. So why dont yall give it a chance and see if we are better next year. Or yall can keep complaining about 2014.
It might just mean the coaches know it's a lost cause and they've turned their attention to other recruits. I understand WHY the skepticism about our recruiting exists, but you don't know enough what is going behind the scenes and what is going on the coaches' heads. Are their things to complain about with the recruiting practices and results? Sure, but you can't take one tweet one recruit said and decide that it's some how indicative of some grand recruiting failure. To think that you can is foolish. We've been reeling in top 20 classes so the failure can't be THAT grand.
This post was edited on 2/24 11:40 AM by ReadR00ster
This post was edited on 2/24 11:40 AM by ReadR00ster
That would be my take on it. If you offer a guy, and he just straight-up tells you "I'm not interested," why bother putting energy into recruiting him? You'd be better off putting your time into recruiting other guys that do have an interest. This kid's a five star recruit. Literally everybody is going to offer him. Just because we're interested in him doesn't mean he's interested in us.
Ding Ding Ding....We have a Winner! If they're too busy to spend one hour per week sending out 25-30 emails they need to learn time management. IMO, there is no excuse for any recruit to ever say he hasn't heard from us in a long time. None.
How about a link to where the kid made the comment? No where on his twitter page. Also he was at LSU this past weekend for junior day and it is being reported that Smith already has a top 3 of LSU, Fla St, and Florida. New Orleans Times is reporting that he is committing today at 1pm on ESPNU to LSU. Smith has 20+ offers from most major schools out there and probably doesn't look at half the stuff he receives every day.
The problem is that NCAA rules prohibit schools from talking about recruits until they sign, so the only info that gets out is whatever the recruit says. Unfortunately, some recruits say self-serving things, and some recruits are just stupid, and it's impossible to distinguish reasonable comments from mindless drivel dripping from the lips of a teenage moron.
Bottom line is that none of us knows how hard our coaches work at recruiting.
I say there are probably a lot of 1/2 truths in this thread. I agree that Clemson and others are ahead of us in the recruiting game. Although a lot of the contact is done by the additional recruiting staff. If you have a group of guys getting letters out constantly, touching base with coaches, going though the video and pre ranking the recruits, so that the coaches have cheat sheets on their handful of calls .... Well that's extremely helpful.
I do believe the other coaches are working harder than ours but they do seem to have a better system in place.
As far as the young man goes: there could be a number of reasons that he thinks we aren't in contact as much. We don't think we have a realistic chance might be a big one. It could also be that the marketing dept at other schools are flooding him with stuff and our once a week seems minimal by comparison.
As far as the recruiting numbers go ... The estimates above are wwwaaayyy low.
I do believe the other coaches are working harder than ours but they do seem to have a better system in place.
As far as the young man goes: there could be a number of reasons that he thinks we aren't in contact as much. We don't think we have a realistic chance might be a big one. It could also be that the marketing dept at other schools are flooding him with stuff and our once a week seems minimal by comparison.
As far as the recruiting numbers go ... The estimates above are wwwaaayyy low.
OK, let me get this straight. Since I don't come on here every day and gripe about something our athletic teams and coaches are doing, or not doing, then I am accepting mediocrity. That seems to be what a lot of you moan and groaners are saying.
First off, I don't think any of you know me, so you don't know if I accept it or not. Well...now you know, I do NOT. I just prefer to let those who we pay good money to, do their job. EVERY school has an off year. Last year was ours and we still finished with a winning record. Our 2015 class ranks right along with what the last several years have and those classes produced 42 wins over a 4 year period.
I'm also concerned that we have some stalkers around. Some of you sound like you know our coaches every move. Let them do their jobs. Spurrier has done this a long time and has a pretty good track record. While he isn't perfect, he knows more about it than me so I'll trust his decisions.
First off, I don't think any of you know me, so you don't know if I accept it or not. Well...now you know, I do NOT. I just prefer to let those who we pay good money to, do their job. EVERY school has an off year. Last year was ours and we still finished with a winning record. Our 2015 class ranks right along with what the last several years have and those classes produced 42 wins over a 4 year period.
I'm also concerned that we have some stalkers around. Some of you sound like you know our coaches every move. Let them do their jobs. Spurrier has done this a long time and has a pretty good track record. While he isn't perfect, he knows more about it than me so I'll trust his decisions.
Raycock, no sense trying to teach calculus to a troop of mandrill baboons. Some of these posters were posting negative drivel during our back to back baseball championships, and during our 33 -6 run in football. No point trying to enlighten those who prefer to remain ignorant and unhappy.
Do you think maybe, just maybe, the actual people doing the recruiting knew more about the situation than you, and knew he was going to commit to LSU all along? That maybe he was a longtime LSU fan, and had no intention of going anywhere else? That maybe the "Top 5" crap was a total sham, and that he would immediately commit to LSU, just like our recruiters knew he would? Hmmm... just a thought.
Well, if that is the case, wouldn't that make your comment as presumptuous as mine? So I'm jumping the gun and really have no idea what is going on. You are doing EXACTLY the same thing!!! What I am concerned with, is the fact that there seems to be a lot of negativity associated with our football program. It's just one thing after another in the media. I certainly can ignore a flippant comment from a highly rated recruit. But WE can't ignore the the facts related to our on the field product and our recruiting success(or lack of). Good Lord, we play in the SEC!!!!! If we don't raise our game right now, we'll go back to the bottom. The Gamecock football program will be passed like they're standing still.
While it's fair enough that we both might have been a little presumptuous about the kid's intentions, I rather disagree with the whole "OH MY GOD WE'RE SO SCREWED" mantra. One disappointing season/off-season does not a death spiral make. It's not like we dropped all the way to rock bottom on the field this year, and our recruiting was about where it usually is in the upper-middle of the SEC. While I'm willing to concede that we *might* be in trouble, I don't think that it's time to panic quite yet. One bad year doesn't make a long term downward trend.
Would you and everyone just stop freaking out about "negativity" and "negative vibes" and such and stop worrying so much about next year while you are at it? Okay, so the media is negative about Gamecock football. What about it? That is the kind of adversity a team has to overcome at times. Everyone saw how we played last year. Everyone knows there is coaching staff instability lurking. Everyone knows what this team has lost going into next season. The only we can do weather the storm and hopefully we will figure out a way to actually play better next year. If not we could be in trouble, but you never know which teams will be surprisingly good or bad so there is not reason, at this time of year to be especially worried about it. We still managed to win our bowl game. We still managed to pull in a top 20 recruiting class. We still have Pharoh Cooper and some other players we know are really good. If you want to still complain about last season than go ahead, if you feel like complaining about this year, you are way to early.
Maybe it's presumptuous to say that the coaches aren't being lazy in their recruiting because some kid sent a tweet saying they haven't heard from SC in a while. But those weren't the one's starting a thread saying "same old ****, coaches being lazy on the recruiting trail, blah, blah, blah, blah." As if there could not POSSIBLY be any other reason than lazy-*ss coaches being just that.
This post was edited on 2/24 6:43 PM by ReadR00ster
Surprise, surprise... seems like this guy just committed to LSU. 5 star recruits from outside of South Carolina. Anyone need a reminder of what our track record is with those guys? It might be a little bit telling of why this dude didn't hear from us. He is not the only recruit out there and we don't need wasting our time recruiting dudes we have no shot at.
If the corporation I work for was continuously out recruited as we have been the past couple of years in football, we would have an all out "blitz" to find out why. And yes, we have had some decent recruiting classes if you go by strictly by Rivals ratings, but if you look at positions of need, I believe we have missed the boat in some instances.
Clemson has 7 of the top 100 recruits committed this year and the class appears to be balanced by positions. Yes, there have been many top rated recruits who never pan out, but I would prefer to take my chances on the higher rated recruits than the projects that we seem to offer one or two of every year.
Maybe we just have some coaches who coach fairly well but don't recruit very well, where Clemson is the opposite.
Let's face it, I believe specific locations recruit, a winning record recruits, a players family helps recruit, influential coaches recruit, stadium size recruits, uniform colors or helmet design recruits, grass color (Boise St.) recruits, etc.........
I believe Clemson may have 1 or 2 of the attributes listed whereas we are in the process of trying to compete. Spurrier has done a lot by facility improvements, upgrades, etc...., but much still needs to be done.
I do NOT believe we have a staff of excellent recruiters at the moment.
Clemson has 7 of the top 100 recruits committed this year and the class appears to be balanced by positions. Yes, there have been many top rated recruits who never pan out, but I would prefer to take my chances on the higher rated recruits than the projects that we seem to offer one or two of every year.
Maybe we just have some coaches who coach fairly well but don't recruit very well, where Clemson is the opposite.
Let's face it, I believe specific locations recruit, a winning record recruits, a players family helps recruit, influential coaches recruit, stadium size recruits, uniform colors or helmet design recruits, grass color (Boise St.) recruits, etc.........
I believe Clemson may have 1 or 2 of the attributes listed whereas we are in the process of trying to compete. Spurrier has done a lot by facility improvements, upgrades, etc...., but much still needs to be done.
I do NOT believe we have a staff of excellent recruiters at the moment.
