Somebody "defaced" Ben Tillman statue...
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Let them know they could really get their money's worth on the Clemson campus where he is still worshipped for his views.
Ah that's just his stars and bars underwear melting in the hot sun and running down his leg. Move along, nothing to see here.
Looks like he may just have bloody diarrhea. He should probably go have that checked by a doctor.
it sure was....explain why they found "LegalTiger wuz here 6-29-15"....dont try and weasel out of this one
Ben Tillman was a despicable human being but defacing his monument is wrong and only hurts those of us who desire the flag to come down. Truly the circus is in town until the legislature votes
I think you are wrong about that and predict that within 5 years the men's and women's NCAA BBALL tournament will use the CLA for regionals or first round games. That both the ACC and SoCon baseball tournament will return to the state on a regular basis
That would be great. I've never had the opportunity to attend a March Madness game, but I'd surely be there when it's in town.
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NCAA ban is based on the flag. When the flag comes down, their ban will lifted. That doesn't stop the NAACP from finding anther reason to ban SC, like the Tillman statue, for one.
I really don't care about the boycott. The flag should just come down because it's run it course. These are our own politicians that decided to push for this all of a sudden, there was an on going boycott but the NAACP wasn't making any special push for this to come down now. I live in Myrtle beach-Surfside. We have the black biker week every year and the place is packed with black tourists for like a week and half so I don't really know if the boycott was doing any real serious harm.
I am on your side, but it is just a statue. And why are we honoring despicable human beings with statutes again? Are we supposed to keep doing that forever? I mean they took Sadam Hussien's statute down. They even took Joe Paterno's statute down. They can't take a statue down of some racist from the 1800's?
Gen. Robert E. Lee said, " The War Is Over, Furl the Flag".
It does pose a good question as to why the NAACP and NCAA decide to single out South Carolina though, when other states put the flag in their state flag and those states are not being boycotted. Any ideas why they decided to only pick on South Carolina?
Will not argue the truth of what you say, just remember the issue is to get the flag down. Any defacing of a statue of a despicable, lying, racist, demagogue SOB only diverts energy from the task at hand
Not willing to start another thread rehashing these issues but would be willing
Thanks for asking. I am not willing to rehash all the reasons yet again on a thread on this board. But am not avoiding a conversation. I think the site has a method for one to one conversation
Not trying to be obtuse but when asked, "How do you eat an elephant?"
The wise man responded, "One bite at a time my friend, one bite at a time"
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The general assembly is working on the flag issue, the person who did this to the statue probably didn't have anything better to do that day. I don't see how the general assembly is going to be affected by this. Maybe what you are trying to say is that it is too much change at one time like we can't handle that much change at once? First you don't know unless you try. Second the statue has not been removed or anything, it just has some goo that will wash off maybe with rain.
That is because he was a dictator. They didn't have a legit democracy to be able to do something like that. The only point is. people who do something awful and shameful don't deserve to be glorified by statues no matter who puts it there or takes it down. Also, that it is not that difficult or unheard of to do something like that.
Don't give me this crap. Tillman helped create Clemson, so of course he's going to be a part of Clemson's history. It's just like the flag ordeal. I don't think it should've been removed because it's a part of history. If we got rid of e bad things in the past, we'd have no history at all, just a bunch of happy things that show the false way both America came to be and how people in the world act. Please leave your hatred for Clemson out of it's history please.
Even though both Tillman and the Rebel Flag were for racism, you can't just go around taking things down in order to not offend people. If that was the case, we'd pretty much have nothing because everyone gets offended at something.
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The South Carolina Exposition and Protest, also known as Calhoun's Exposition, was written in December 1828 by John C. Calhoun, then vice president under John Quincy Adams and later under Andrew Jackson. Calhoun did not formally state his authorship at the time, though it was known.
The document was a protest against the Tariff of 1828, also known as the Tariff of Abominations. The document stated that if the tariff was not repealed, South Carolina would secede. It stated also Calhoun's Doctrine of nullification, i.e., the idea that a state has the right to reject federal law, first introduced by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison in their Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions.
That's what started it all. Come on people
Because we capitulated back in 2000 and removed it from the dome, thus proving to the cultural cleansers that we were weak and an easy mark. Don't worry....they're just getting started. Look for calls for the removal of monuments, street and school names and anything else they deem to be offensive to be changed.
Hmmm.... I wonder why the south was able to make things and sell it for cheaper than the north could. hmmmm........
Yep and Joe was a football coach both were poor example of what you were trying to say.
If you forget your history or try to do away with it. You'll repeat it.
I don't care if it is part of history. It's not part of government. And removing a few statues glorifying some SOBs does not erase history. It just ends the glorification of those SOBs.
Well let me rephrase that. I didn't mean it stood for racism, that's just what people associate the flag with. My apologies for any confusion there
What???????? They put a unfair tax on the south trading with Britain. We didn't make anything we grew the cotton
It is part of our government. I guess you wouldn't mind take George off the dollar bill. He owned slaves until the day he died
So they made cotton...cheaply. Just stop the semantical BS and cut to real issue you are so obviously trying to skate around.
It's a chain. If you remove statues of someone who stood for something that was wrong, it could potentially snowball, and not be mentioned in textbooks/websites/etc. Therefore erasing history.. Am I saying this is going to happen? No. But it could.
Clemson doesn't even have the statue because of his beliefs. It's because he helped in founding the school.
If that is what the country decided to do. Going back that far though is going beyond any strong movement to end slavery. You don't know if a guy like GW would have been persuaded to go along with abolition or not if he had an opportunity to. All we know are the ones that had that opportunity and resisted. At some point just like every stance you have to draw a line in the sand somewhere. We may have to give guys like Washington and Jefferson a pass because they didn't know any better, just like you have to give a pass to people who thought the earth was flat for their ignorance. You are going back too far to a point beyond humanity becoming more enlightened.
