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http://www.heraldsun.com/sports/x219732817/NCAA-notice-may-parse-UNC-scandal-as-books-vs-balls

This is the first time I've heard the "victims of sexual assault need easier/non-existent classes" excuse. Amazing.

Doesn't this paragraph make you feel so sorry for the cheaters?:

"Crowder had a soft spot in her heart for UNC students who struggled with the coursework; she struggled, too, when she was as an undergraduate there, the report said. Whether a UNC student arrived on campus poorly prepared to handle the schoolwork, or maybe a student wasn’t adequately performing in the college classrooms because he or she had had been a victim of sexual assault, for example, Crowder bore a burden to help, which led to her shoddy curriculum, the report said."

I guess they were just tying to do the right thing. Nothing to see here. lol
 
Apparently the NOA will be released by UNC this week, so we'll at least get to see what they are being accused of. Here's hoping LOIC and probation for baseball, women/men basketball, w soccer, and football.
 
How sad is it that the N&O article says that the NCAA is going to do whatever it can to make UNCheats penalties as light as possible because of the almighty $. I have a feeling Syracuse is fixing to see first hand how heavily the balance of power in the ACC leans to Chapel Hill and Durham. UNCheat will sleaze their way out. Just wait and see.
 
The good ole boys in the NC legislature has gotten into the affairs of UNC and others in the state education system far enough to try dictating how many classes that a professor is required to teach and fire some administrators. They apparently have no opinion about the no-class affair or the other cheating stuff though.
 
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Don't all colleges have secretaries who have the ability to change curriculum, grades, schedule courses, etc.... with no oversight? /sarcasm Roy Williams said the other night he hasn't even seen the Notifications yet. I about fell out of my chair. You can bet that he, Bubba, and Fedora were pouring over that document as soon as they got it. That PR firm is really earning their money. Too bad the taxpayers of NC have to pay the bill.
 
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I think all this is a result of the Wainstein report that UNC paid this guy to do after the NCAA left town. Can anyone tell me why a school would do that then report the findings to the NCAA? Just Dumb.

http://carolinacommitment.unc.edu/

Since both former AFAM department chair Julius Nyang’oro and former AFAM department administrator Deborah Crowder were unwilling to be interviewed for previous University inquiries due to a pending criminal investigation, previous reviews were unable to truly get to the bottom of what had happened, and, as a result, there were numerous unanswered questions.

At the end of 2013, the criminal investigation came to an end and the University learned that it would have access to Crowder, Nyang’oro and the information from the State Bureau of Investigation’s criminal investigation. Soon thereafter, in February 2014, the University retained Kenneth L. Wainstein to conduct an additional inquiry into how and why the academic irregularities came into existence, and who knew about them.

http://carolinacommitment.unc.edu/faqs/#faq3
 
I dont think its a UNC spin, hell they are gift wrapping the info and giving it to the NCAA, dumb-asses is all I can say.
 
JKC4USC said:
How sad is it that the N&O article says that the NCAA is going to do whatever it can to make UNCheats penalties as light as possible because of the almighty $. I have a feeling Syracuse is fixing to see first hand how heavily the balance of power in the ACC leans to Chapel Hill and Durham. UNCheat will sleaze their way out. Just wait and see.
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Well, look for some law suits, on this one if uncarolina slides by with very little penalties.
 
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Well there is the theory that if you have some really really bad info that is going to come out you trickle out some bad info to take some of the edge off....

I think the results of the criminal investigation are going to be really really breath-taking hence the reason they are dribbling out some other bad info to take some of the shock off.....

To that end for whatever reason the NCAA will likely do nothing to them......
 
conCOCKshon said:
Dunno, but they popped Southern Cal for something that seemingly wasn't nearly as bad or widespread.
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I hope you're right, but UNC seems to be NCAA darlings. I think it will be interesting to see what happens. They're releasing their NOA letter today, so we'll see....
 
BigBlueCatNation said:
I hope you're right, but UNC seems to be NCAA darlings. I think it will be interesting to see what happens. They're releasing their NOA letter today, so we'll see....
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NOA has been released ... will be back with the link, and it's good news for my fellow tar heel haters!
 
Ouch!

"Certain AFRI/AFAM courses were anomalous because they were designated as lecture courses but were taught as independent study courses with little, if any, attendance requirements, minimal to no faculty interaction, lax paper writing standards and artificially high final grades. In some instances, athletics academic counselors within ASPSA made special arrangements and used these courses to help ensure the eligibility of academically at-risk student-athletes. The high level of involvement by athletics academic counselors in the administration of these anomalous AFRI/AFAM courses relieved student-athletes of the academic responsibilities of a general student.
 
I remember having the same thoughts of doom for University if Miami when it appeared the hammer was going to be dropped on them a couple of years ago. Time passed........and very little was actually done. I forsee a lot a chest thumping, delay tactics, and then.......very little.
 
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All Level I violations so a slap on the hand is out of the question unless the NCAA wants to stay relevant......
 
Clevercock3 said:
All Level I violations so a slap on the hand is out of the question unless the NCAA wants to stay relevant......
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If it were any other school, I would agree with you. But this UNC, the darling of the NCAA, the most virtuous school, a public ivy league school (whatever that means), the best school in the ultraverse. Will be very telling what the NCAA does but until they prove me wrong, I think they will do next to nothing to UNC.
 
heelzfor2 said:
I think all this is a result of the Wainstein report that UNC paid this guy to do after the NCAA left town. Can anyone tell me why a school would do that then report the findings to the NCAA? Just Dumb.

http://carolinacommitment.unc.edu/

Since both former AFAM department chair Julius Nyang’oro and former AFAM department administrator Deborah Crowder were unwilling to be interviewed for previous University inquiries due to a pending criminal investigation, previous reviews were unable to truly get to the bottom of what had happened, and, as a result, there were numerous unanswered questions.

At the end of 2013, the criminal investigation came to an end and the University learned that it would have access to Crowder, Nyang’oro and the information from the State Bureau of Investigation’s criminal investigation. Soon thereafter, in February 2014, the University retained Kenneth L. Wainstein to conduct an additional inquiry into how and why the academic irregularities came into existence, and who knew about them.

http://carolinacommitment.unc.edu/faqs/#faq3
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You know when he was willing to be interviewed? When criminal charges were brought against him for taking money for classes he did not teach. But the Orange Co DA (UNC Alum) dropped those charges when he agreed to cooperate with the Wainstein Report. Ever heard of a DA dropping charges for cooperating in a non-criminal investigation? Mind you an investigation paid for by the entity being investigated? The NCAA doesnt have subpeona power to get him to talk this time and by no way possible was UNC going to do anything but discourage him from yapping. They were willing to take a Level 1 charge (failure to cooperate) to avoid the Prof slipping up in his interview.

Women's hoops will take the blunt of this, but rest assured men's basketball and football will get at least one post-season ban. Hard to ignore a repeat offender as allegations included occurred while on probation for their football team getting extra benefits in 2010.

I was expecting less from the NCAA, tho they could easily have ruled those bogus classes as ineligible and done more to paint this scam as originating with Dean Smith and John Swofford, but that's just too dreamy. To those that want to see banners come down, at stake will be 10 student-athletes that took more independent classes than the school policy allows. If the NCAA can prove that, and any of those 10 are men's basketball players (the 05 team starting 5 + Marvin Williams were all AFAM majors), then the illegal benefits is in play and they will have to forfeit wins for using an ineligible player. Taking too many ind study classes means they would drop below the 12 hrs required to be eligible.

They're gonna get hit bad folks. Regardless, the next 6-12 mos will continue to keep this story in the news and therefore keep UNC coaches having to respond to questions from both the media, and most importantly, recruits!
 
What is sad here, the way the NCAA does things, the people responsible for this will not be punished. It will be kids in school now that had nothing to do with the AFAM dept and rogue professor...
 
heelzfor2 said:
What is sad here, the way the NCAA does things, the people responsible for this will not be punished. It will be kids in school now that had nothing to do with the AFAM dept and rogue professor...
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True in some ways but many underlings have been terminated including Beth Bridger who lost her job at a different school due to her involvement at UNC. What has happened are much like the banking fiasco 7 or so years ago where the big shots that knew and were complicit in the mess got golden parachutes. I can start with butch Davis and his 2.7 mil to stay quiet, John Blake got 75k, Holden Thorpe bolted to Washington U in St. Louis with a cushy provost job (ironically he was dean of arts and sciences - afam - when this was ratcheted up), Wayne walden is safe away from media criticism, AD Baddour took an early retirement with a higher pension due to contract bonuses for apr and grad rates, and then the Prof that only had to pay back $12k despite getting compensated for hundreds of ind study courses he didn't teach thus amping up his retirement comp.

They cheated. Don't feel the least bit sorry for the Marcus Paige's of the world that bought their bit. He will still have his four years without sanctions. It's the idiots that take Roy's word that nothing will happen that I will chuckle about and say told ya!"
 
pure palmetto said:
I remember having the same thoughts of doom for University if Miami when it appeared the hammer was going to be dropped on them a couple of years ago. Time passed........and very little was actually done. I forsee a lot a chest thumping, delay tactics, and then.......very little.
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They essentially self imposed a two yr ban by declining two bowl trips and an acc champ appearance. after the ncaa admitted to shady investigative practices, they accepted the U's sanctions. Miami's stuff was bad, but its JV compared to UNC.
 
Agree with most of your post 44 but I do feel bad for the folks there now being punished while the guilty get nothing..F'ed up system IMHO.
 
heelzfor2 said:
What is sad here, the way the NCAA does things, the people responsible for this will not be punished. It will be kids in school now that had nothing to do with the AFAM dept and rogue professor...
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So what? That's a lame ass excuse for a school that's been cheating like hell for decades. Get that crap out of here. A school out west got two years probation for having a low GPA. At least those kids were attending class. Your school has handed out A's to keep players on the field and on the court. Screw UNC. They should probably lose their accreditation.
 
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lol, you might want to pull that fork out dude!!!! Seems like you are starting off this Friday morning angry...UNC has done nothing many other schools have done in the past, they were just stupid enough to hire an investigator then turn the info over to the NCAA....that has to be a first.
 
heelzfor2 said:
lol, you might want to pull that fork out dude!!!! Seems like you are starting off this Friday morning angry...UNC has done nothing many other schools have done in the past, they were just stupid enough to hire an investigator then turn the info over to the NCAA....that has to be a first.
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Not so sure I would agree that they haven't done anything that "many" other schools have done....

I think I am most surprised that it happened at UNC as opposed to some other place....
 
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heelzfor2 said:
lol, you might want to pull that fork out dude!!!! Seems like you are starting off this Friday morning angry...UNC has done nothing many other schools have done in the past, they were just stupid enough to hire an investigator then turn the info over to the NCAA....that has to be a first.
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Before 2010 when some school, say So Cal, gets busted, UNC fans pound their chest and say, you see, that would never happen at our school. We have the Carolina Way.

Fast forward 5 years and the theme is now, "Everyone does it too!"

I haven't seen academic cases where players didn't have to attend class, had a paper mill to pull from when they did have to write that one paper, hundreds of grades were changed, professor sigs forged, direct collusion between academic support staff and those changing the grades, a secretary ASSIGNING GRADES, and the major violator in all of this just so happened to be Faculty Chair, and Chair of the ETHICS Center.

And what is UNC doing? Extending ol Roy's contract and giving him a nice bump in salary.

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/article23139921.html
 
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heelzfor2 said:
lol, you might want to pull that fork out dude!!!! Seems like you are starting off this Friday morning angry...UNC has done nothing many other schools have done in the past, they were just stupid enough to hire an investigator then turn the info over to the NCAA....that has to be a first.
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UNC took it to another level and keep doing it since 1993. The coaches and administrators have changed over the course of time but not their methods. It became a part of the culture there. That's alarming and not close to the cheating going on elsewhere....and I agree it does.
 
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The fact that "everyone" else might be doing it doesn't make it RIGHT! The speed limit on I-20 is 70....just because everyone is driving 90 doesn't make 90 legal......

Perhaps when you put the hammer down on UNC it will send a message to the others that might be doing it that it should cease immediately.

Kinda like when you see the cop on I-20 with a vehicle pulled over everyone slows down.....

Not that I buy the "everyone else is doing it" theory to start with.....I can't prove that everyone else is....But apparently the NCAA can prove that UNC was and has been for a very very long time......

And if they didn't think there was anything wrong with what they were doing then why refuse to answer questions when the NCAA came to snoop around.....

As a member of the NCAA you agree to cooperate fully with any investigation.....Its part of the NCAA agreement with every school that is a member.....Thus UNCheata has violated the agreement they made with the NCAA in an effort to apparently try to cover up what they apparently knew was wrong and perhaps illegal....

Worst of all it was the CHAIR of the ETHICS department....I still say part of the punishment for coach's, professors, etc should be tied directly to those folks when it can be proven they knew or participated in wrong doing.....

If you can prove that a coach for example violated policy of the NCAA and the infraction is say a level 1 violation he should get a ban from coaching from any other NCAA sanctioned school for a period of time.

You can't just move on to another school and leave the one you were at holding the short end of the rope.
 
BigBlueCatNation said:
Honest question, 'Does anyone think the NCAA will really do anything to UNC?'
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Easy answer NO!!! The NCAA will give them a slap on the wrist, football and basketball. The NCAA Leaders believe the world would not survive without those sky blue teams and the ACC is run by them and Puke people so they are going to fight tooth and nail to keep them going.
Frankly, I am betting the same thing goes on at PUKE, they have been awfully quiet about this whole investigation. "Move on, nothing to see here"!!!
 
This Heelzfor2 guy has the mindset of most UNC folks.

They have pretty much set the bar for cheating. Academic fraud is as bad as it gets and those people always looked down their noses at the rest of us. I hope they get busted back to the stone age.
 
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