Actually it’s been getting mostly better our public education system was absolute trash in the 90s particularly in math
Virginia Dept of Ed Cancels Advanced Math
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Feeble,
As you know I respect you although I disagree with you.
Serious, non gaslighting question here.
What say you on charter schools?
Sad but devastatingly true! Gonna be an interesting thing to watch these next few decades here within the good ol' u s of a.
students objectively get a better education now than 30 years ago. That is when everyone passed us, other countries advanced and we hung on to stuff that doesn’t work.
charter schools, at the end of the day, are very similar to public education. Especially when you factor in socieconomic factors - scores and other assessments are similar. Often they actually perform worse
(https://www.ncsl.org/research/education/charter-schools-research-and-report.aspx)
its more about educational philosophy which in theory would be easier to implement in charter schools but not necessarily the case - plenty of public schools (particularly new ones) are founded on more modern pedagogical philosophies.
I’m not debating that schools are not better.
I was asking about charter schools because there is a political stance tied to the unions where many local districts around the country will not approve new charter schools.Which also is not THE point of my question.
You established you have credentials in the field. Asking your personal opinion.
As I stated they are no better than most public schools in regards to testing. And honestly there is such a wide variety I can’t speak in generalities regarding their effectiveness
Let me be more specific then.
There are plenty of examples of terribly run school systems in NJ for instance. In this one off example charter schools significantly outperformed the public schools. Using political pressure the public schools got a moratorium passed on new charter schools.
I’m asking in such a scenario where the big wheels of government aren’t fixing the local problem would you support charter schools?
Got any stats on that because you’re the only person I’ve ever heard say anything like this.
Another
www.brookings.edu
2018 Brown Center Report on American Education: Trends in NAEP math, reading, and civics scores | Brookings
Chapter 1 of The 2018 Brown Center Report assesses trends in students’ NAEP scores, dubbed "the Nation's Report Card."
www.brookings.edu
And you are a part of the "they" crowd......a victim of the indoctrination that is all too prevalent in schools today. I am old enough to see what has been happening in our school systems for the last 5 decades and it is very sad. You, young man, have been controlled!
Our education system has been steadily improving and has been pushing inquiry and critical thinking more and more - that’s the opposite of control
WHAT??? You can not be serious. One needs only to look at our educational rankings on the world stage over past decades to see this is not true. WOKE thinking.......just wow!
Because other countries have changed and adapted and we drag our feet. We are better than what we were but we are so slow to adapt because whenever we do people lose their minds see: this thread
if we did some of the things some of the best educated schools in the nation did, the public would lose their minds
Can you imagine what we would be ranked in the world rankings if we were still operating the way we were in the 90s?
Finland is often tops in education, here are things they do that we would never allow here:
1. no standardized testing
2. Cooperation not competition
3. Starting at 9 years old
4. 5 hour school day
5. Focus on schools being a place of equity (what virginia is trying to do)
1. no standardized testing
2. Cooperation not competition
3. Starting at 9 years old
4. 5 hour school day
5. Focus on schools being a place of equity (what virginia is trying to do)
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Have you ever been to the Scandinavian countries? I have. They are small, politically, ethnically homogeneous entities. They are simply no comparison to this complex, diverse, and "forever in conflict" political system.
Read this even-handed report below. It essentially debunks the idea we are moving forward at an acceptable rate.
State sponsored school will just continue to patch things up, adjust for an uncatchable rate of societal change, and consistently be behind in the race for better educated kids. Parents are responsible for their children. Let them keep their money and invest in their choices of education. Otherwise, the societal disagreements evident today will grow and spin out of control as more groups see their interests are not met. And the children, getting everything else but the best education, will suffer.
Is the U.S. Catching Up?
International and state trends in student achievement
www.educationnext.org
Life’s not Fair......... never has been never will be
Winners and losers. You will be one or the other in everything you do.
losing is ok. It teaches humility, perseverance, drive and creative thinking.
equity is what you have in your home
God is good. period.
Bingo.Have you ever been to the Scandinavian countries? I have. They are small, politically, ethnically homogeneous entities. They are simply no comparison to this complex, diverse, and "forever in conflict" political system.
Read this even-handed report below. It essentially debunks the idea we are moving forward at an acceptable rate.
State sponsored school will just continue to patch things up, adjust for an uncatchable rate of societal change, and consistently be behind in the race for better educated kids. Parents are responsible for their children. Let them keep their money and invest in their choices of education. Otherwise, the societal disagreements evident today will grow and spin out of control as more groups see their interests are not met. And the children, getting everything else but the best education, will suffer.
Is the U.S. Catching Up?
International and state trends in student achievement
Oh I never said it was at an acceptable rate I said we are moving forward ie better than we were in the 90sHave you ever been to the Scandinavian countries? I have. They are small, politically, ethnically homogeneous entities. They are simply no comparison to this complex, diverse, and "forever in conflict" political system.
Read this even-handed report below. It essentially debunks the idea we are moving forward at an acceptable rate.
State sponsored school will just continue to patch things up, adjust for an uncatchable rate of societal change, and consistently be behind in the race for better educated kids. Parents are responsible for their children. Let them keep their money and invest in their choices of education. Otherwise, the societal disagreements evident today will grow and spin out of control as more groups see their interests are not met. And the children, getting everything else but the best education, will suffer.
Is the U.S. Catching Up?
International and state trends in student achievement
and yes the country is very different but I really don’t see how any of the things that I listed would be in conflict maybe besides the 5 hour school day
Cool but have you ever had a job that collaboration and communication were not a huge aspect?
the American education system with a focus on the development of understanding and progress of work by only a single person is unique in that it is incredibly rare in the actual world
If y’all want to do the research (I have) regarding collaboration, focus on equity, and deemphasis on standardized testing and it’s results in American classrooms (very positive) then go ahead.
it works
But it will never be prevalent because Americans would freak out. Once again see: this thread
it works
But it will never be prevalent because Americans would freak out. Once again see: this thread
I worked, communicated and collaborated successfully for over 35 years. School should be the 3 basics and should be completed in 10 years IMO. After that trade or higher education starts. The federal government should never be involved in education. Discipline must be reinstated in schools and the country in general. Act like a fool get beat like a fool. Peaceful Law Abiding Americans rights come first.
If you think corporal punishment leads to positive outcomes you clearly have done zero research in those 35 years. That is very very very basic developmental understanding.
also just about, if not every country on the list above us has a higher government involvement than us, you couldn’t be more wrong
Classic American response though: need to improve schools? No way we can focus on collaboration- we will just literally beat them instead
I know from personal experience. I lived it growing up, going through school, watched it play out first hand and delivered it as a parent. The last 4 generations of my family have enjoyed a 100% success rate. I don’t know where you get your info from and don’t really care because you can’t beat 100% success.
What system did they use educating the antifa, and BLM rioters who are burning America to the ground? Whatever it was it looks like an epic fail.
If your goal is teaching them how to get fire you killed it!! Well done........🔥 🔥
Anecdotal experiences is by far the worst evidence, it’s non scientific and leads to a lot of bad theories.
youre wrong it’s that simple and there is no conversation possible because there is nothing that has more data regarding development and evidence backing it up than corporal punishment (particularly in schools) having bad outcomes
100% winning. 5th generation started 3 years ago. But since you said we are wrong we will stop..............Liberals are funny creatures. Thanks for the entertainment brother.
One last question. Adult violence or corporal punishment. What’s your preference?
Well since corporal punishment is a contributing factor that leads to adult violence, I’m not sure why you think it’s one or the other.
once again this is basic development science and research
Corporal Punishment | Encyclopedia on Early Childhood Development
The most controversial way that some parents and teachers attempt to manage children’s behaviour is through corporal punishment.
Parents' Use of Physical Punishment Increases Violent Behavior Among Youth
In this study, researchers examined the relationship between young adolescents’ involvement in and attitudes toward violence, parental use of physical punishment, and parental expectations of violence use (both perceived and stated) among youth.
www.apa.org
The case against spanking
Physical discipline is slowly declining as some studies reveal lasting harms for children.
www.apa.org
Banning spanking and other corporal punishment tied to less youth violence - CNN
Countries that ban spanking and other forms of corporal punishment have less youth violence, according to a study of 88 nations.
Spanking children makes them more aggressive, US pediatricians' body says
The American Academy of Pediatrics has issued guidance that corporal punishment is ineffective and can lead to mental health disorders
Those things are not working 70% of the time and they can’t ever get the ice cream machine working much less a whole automated systemThey have been working towards that for years.
