The IRS is likely going to be abolished.
That will be another sweet thing to add to your laundry list of losses.
I'm having to use Cloud Storage now to store them all.
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The IRS is likely going to be abolished.
That will be another sweet thing to add to your laundry list of losses.
I'm having to use Cloud Storage now to store them all.
Let's start keeping track with "Gomer's L Of The Day."
Many to choose from -- but I'll go with this one as I'm biased.
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Some things for the Low IQ crowd who suddenly has decided to bang the Billionaire drum since they all fled from their party of choice.
1) Elon Musk paid $11 Billion in 2021 - The most income taxes of any American. Most billionaires pay a ton of taxes. However, there are tax loopholes that could be closed but the Democrats have never chosen to do this. Why? Because they coddle their billionaires just like everyone else.
2) Many Billionaires also employ a ton of people who pay a ton of taxes. Do you want to tax them at 70-80% and have them move their operations elsewhere Bernie?
3) It will likely turn out that what we pay to the Federal Government for Income Taxes is Fugazzi. The game is far larger than what we pay in and MANY leaders and economists have stated this over the years.
Many to choose from -- but I'll go with this one as I'm biased.
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Some things for the Low IQ crowd who suddenly has decided to bang the Billionaire drum since they all fled from their party of choice.
1) Elon Musk paid $11 Billion in 2021 - The most income taxes of any American. Most billionaires pay a ton of taxes. However, there are tax loopholes that could be closed but the Democrats have never chosen to do this. Why? Because they coddle their billionaires just like everyone else.
2) Many Billionaires also employ a ton of people who pay a ton of taxes. Do you want to tax them at 70-80% and have them move their operations elsewhere Bernie?
3) It will likely turn out that what we pay to the Federal Government for Income Taxes is Fugazzi. The game is far larger than what we pay in and MANY leaders and economists have stated this over the years.
No, you are ignorant of everything.
"False. The Internal Revenue Service will not be hiring 87,000 armed agents. Job adverts posted on social media are for special agents in the IRS’s Criminal Investigation unit,a unit that was created in 1919. There are currently about 2,100 special agents in this unit. The unit hires agents every year and has for many decades due to retirements, and agents leaving the agency."
"Of course some IRS agents carry guns, but honestly that really shouldn't surprise anyone. Hasn't anybody seen The Untouchables? Has everyone forgotten that it took an accountant to catch Al Capone? This is not new. It's been the case for many, many decades.
When people start talking about armed agents at the IRS, what they're really talking about is the agency's Criminal Investigation division. It used to be called the Intelligence Unit, and it was created in 1919 with just six agents. They were former postal agents, including Elmer Irey, their chief.
The Criminal Investigation division is still chasing bad guys, and they are still working undercover with those bad guys.
Here's a story from the agency's official history from a more recent period. One agent was stabbed repeatedly with an ice pick. Another agent was offered $10,000 to murder the wife of one of the targets. This is not green-eyeshade stuff for accountants armed with calculators. So yes, this small group of trained agents do carry guns and that's a good thing- and Congress says so."
If Congress didn't like it, they could change the law. They haven't changed it.
IRS Special Agents are the only IRS employees that carry guns and this is authorized by federal law that Congress long ago authorized.
Do IRS Agents Really Need Guns?
Tax Notes contributing editors Robert Goulder and Joseph J. Thorndike consider the historical context of why the IRS Criminal Investigation division carries guns.
www.forbes.com
Some of these folks on here post junk they've heard politicians say or some cable news host, talk show host, a social media post, or a podcaster without doing an ounce of "does this make sense, is this true, does it pass the smell test" thinking.
How damn stupid do you have to be to think the IRS was going to hire 80,000 employees and arm all of them with guns?
That's mindnumbingly stupid stuff. It's beyond ignorant. It's like half your brain is leaking out of your head to think that.
Matt Gaetz said such a thing one time on Fox news (he was lying) and then suddenly a bunch of robots started parroting his lie.
The IRS has had a small % of armed agents in their criminal division for over 100 years. That hasn't changed. They are law enforcement officers- and Congress authorized them to do it and has never told them they can't.
ICE agents making quick work of grabbing up illegals. Ive got a feeling those 85k new IRS agents will be traded out for 85k new ICE agents. Real jobs with positive effects for Americans
Fox Business report
"The article ends with a prediction that many politicians who campaigned on kitchen table issues may find worrisome: that eggs “could be nearly $5 by the end of 2025, which would be the highest-ever recorded average price for a dozen eggs.”
www.mediaite.com
"The article ends with a prediction that many politicians who campaigned on kitchen table issues may find worrisome: that eggs “could be nearly $5 by the end of 2025, which would be the highest-ever recorded average price for a dozen eggs.”
Fox Business Reports Price of Eggs Has Risen 37%: ‘Nearly $9 Per Dozen in Some Areas’
Inflation -- especially the cost of essentials like housing, groceries, and gas -- was a major issue for many voters in last November's election, but President Donald Trump may find it easier said than done to get the price of eggs down, according to a Fox Business report.
www.mediaite.com
Dominating Davos, they were kissing his ass
ICE cleaning bidens criminals out!!
DEI dead and gone!!
Transvestites removed from women’s prisons!
Taxes getting cut AGAIN!
Green New Scam ELIMINATED!!!
3 days in.
It’s Christmas every day with TRUMP
ICE cleaning bidens criminals out!!
DEI dead and gone!!
Transvestites removed from women’s prisons!
Taxes getting cut AGAIN!
Green New Scam ELIMINATED!!!
3 days in.
It’s Christmas every day with TRUMP
I don't know you. BUT, I get the sense that you are a "believer", as am I. As a follow up to what I told you the other day, I just want to tell you that I went to the local organization of area churches this morning to hopefully sign up to do some volunteer work for them. The meeting went well. There was another volunteer there at that orientation. I will be doing some work there on the 3rd Saturday of each month. When I did some work for them, back in the day, that's when I did the service. That works out great for me because, as known, I'm a dedicated investor. So weekdays would not have worked for me.
I'm looking forward to it. Giving back to others, making a difference in others lives is what I think life is all about. It brings to mind that commercial with JJ Watts who says he made a career knocking people down. Now he picks people up. Helping others is our "ultimate purpose".
Obviously, you have never prepared a budget nor understand budgeting concepts and are willing to believe what any bureaucrat tells you. You can quote all the appointed bureaucrats you want but it doesn't change simple facts. If an employee works for an agency his salary is included in that agency's budget. If he leaves during the year, the money is still there in the budget. The agency replaces that individual with a new employee and pays that employee with the money they would have paid the former employee if he had stayed. The money is still there. It doesn't magically disappear. It doesn't take new additional money to replace the people who left. These are hard core irrefutable facts regardless of who you want to quote.The IRS is a government agency. People leave and retire.
If no one ever left and no one ever retired, your math still wouldn't work, but at least it would be worth a little. Instead, it doesn't work at all because we live in reality and agencies and employers lose people all the time for various reasons.
people die
people retire
People leave
People get other jobs
People quit
The IRS, per the last 2 leaders of the agency, have repeatedly said they expect over 50,000 retirements or people leaving the agency in the next 10 years. They have said their workforce is older than most.
The "85,000" positions was an estimate made in 1 report. It was never meant to be a certainly. The IRS has never said there would be that many new hires over the course of a decade. They have said that is unknowable due to the increase funding they are putting toward technology so that don't know how many employees they will need.
There was NEVER a possibility they were going to go out and hire 85,000 people all of a sudden, regardless of what your favorite talk show hosts, podcast hosts, or politician said. The IRS never said they would do that. The leaders of the agency never said they would do that. People made it up.
Your opinion is based on nothing but your imagination.
No, the IRS is not hiring 87,000 new agents to increase middle-class audits
The majority of IRS hires would fill positions of people leaving the agency over the next decade. That includes staff across departments, not just auditors.www.verifythis.com
That is about as simple as I can dumb it down for you. If you don't understand I can't help you.
Once again, you lose an argument so you change the narrative. I challenge you to show me where I ONCE said they did no work. In some cases they do shitty work, but I never said they did no work. That wasn't even your argument. You tried to say they brought in the revenue, which of course they in fact bring in very little revenue. The revenue comes in from the taxpayers through the voluntary compliance system. The IRS employees are processors of information - as you yourself admitted above. It is YOU who is dishonest and inconsistent here.
No one is changing the argument. You're literally downplaying the amount of work it takes to process 166 million individual income tax forms and 100 million other forms including corporations and partnerships. The IRS has to literally account for the 5.1 trillion it brings in, and all the income earned reported. We're talking trillions of dollars and you're acting like it's no big deal.
Now you're just being extremely pedantic. Do you think Tesla goes out and physically recovers billions of dollars each year? Or does their accounting department just process the information as well as their customers voluntarily send the funds to them?
You're literally arguing like a child. You think you know something and you hyper focus on it completely oblivious to the bigger picture.
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AGAIN, show me where I ONCE said they did no work instead of running your mouth and making up false arguments.
I'm not sure what Tesla has to do with this as that is a false comparison. They make cars and sell cars which is the source of revenue they bring in. The IRS sells ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. They are processors of information. And I don't just think I know what I'm talking about, I absolutely KNOW what I'm talking about. I've talked with more tax professionals and IRS agents in one year than you have in your entire life. You are completely ignorant on this subject. Grow up and educate yourself and quit embarrassing yourself with your ignorance.
You have talked about being in the military. Doesn't that mean that, technically, I'm paying YOUR bills with my tax dollars.
Same goes for billionaires like Elon. I'm his customer. I didn't need his money. He needed mine. I gave HIM money, a lot of money, for his product. And that doesn't count all the money I've invested in TSLA over the years. Kinda rules out the whole me stressing about gas too. lol
You, and Elon, are welcome. lol
It's literally your entire argument. The fact you won't even own is telling.
The whole point of the discussion is that the amount of work the IRS is responsible for needs far more workers than 100k.
You're so stuck on telling yourself that you know what you're talking about you're missing the entire discussion.
You have talked about being in the military. Doesn't that mean that, technically, I'm paying YOUR bills with my tax dollars.
Same goes for billionaires like Elon. I'm his customer. I didn't need his money. He needed mine. I gave HIM money, a lot of money, for his product. And that doesn't count all the money I've invested in TSLA over the years. Kinda rules out the whole me stressing about gas too. lol
You, and Elon, are welcome. lol
This is some serious copium.
It's just that simple. The reporter tried his best though 😅.
Watson - Remind us again what you miss about the Biden Administration's policies and impact on our country?
Most believe he'll be remembered as one of the worst ever. But apparently not you.
We'll sit back and listen to your wisdom unfold.
Here was my post where you first made the comment in post #1227 where you claim I said they did no work. Please point out where I said they did no work. If you must, get your mommy to read it to you:
"Speaking of brain dead, you really have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. These two organizations are not comparable. Tesla is a manufacturing company that produces a product. That product is made by its employees. The IRS does not produce a product. Its employees bring in very little of the revenue. This shows how little you know about our tax system. We have what is known as a voluntary compliance system. The revenues are sent in by the taxpayers who are complying with their obligations. The employees at the IRS have little to do with this. They are processors. They have nothing to do with the estimated tax payments I mail in each quarter other than to deposit the money and record it. And they sometimes do a lousy job at that."
You can't because you are a lying POS.
I actually worked for a government agency a long time ago. Nothing you wrote contradicts a word of my post.
But let me correct you since you obviously are ignorant of the issue as large government agencies have thousands of employees that retire every year.
Only a damn fool thinks that if you have 50,000 employees and you hire 10,000 over the course of a decade means you have 60,000 employees. You have to be seriously mentally challenged to lie to yourself in such a manner. In your world where no one dies, no one retires, and no one leaves- that's fantasy land.
When experienced employees retire after 20-25-30 years, they are often replaced (not always) and the people that replace them usually make much less than the experienced 25 year employee.
It's also not uncommon for an experienced employee to retire and the director decide to not replace them at all, and divide up their duties between 2-3 other employees.
It's also not uncommon for an 25 year professional employee to be making well into the 6 figures salary wise and be replaced by someone making 1/2 of that salary as they are less experienced and are hired at a different salary band. That multiplied by a few thousand people every year adds up to a lot of money.
Now, despite your lying, the folks actually working with these agencies, and the directors of the agencies know more about them than JGH from Gamecock Scoop does.
There are few humans alive that know less about what they pretend to know about than JGH
Earlier he claimed "under Biden we had no tariffs." LOL. (I corrected him with the facts)
It's impossible for him to be that ignorant except on purpose
my sense is that some Trump supporters are wanting to exact hell on some of their fellow Americans just for the fun of it. The problem is that no matter who you are, that always boomerangs on you.
As I have mentioned, I have a trans family member, You wouldn't believe the abuse that other adults direct at her simply for living.
Another option for your volunteer work is joining a mentoring program for a local school district. Most are in desperate need of mentors, especially men.
I do this and while some operate differently, I visit with my mentee once every 2 weeks at the school library during lunch and we sit and we will talk about school, how things are going, and then sometimes I'll help with homework or most often I'll have him pick out a book and I'll listen to him read and will help him with reading. Always supervised in the library by the librarian or another teacher so it works well.
Another option I am involved with right now is adult literacy. I am working with an adult through a program to help them learn to read. You have to be a bit of training with the program before being assigned someone but it's a good program.
Obviously you lack reading comprehension and are not even capable of following the discussion. None of what you wrote is true. I never said any of that BS. YOU said the $85 B in new money was for replacing positions when people leave or retire. That is a LIE. You don't need new additional money to replace workers leaving. They ARE ALREADY IN THE FREAKING BUDGET. You only need new money if you intend to add new positions you didn't have before. Seriously, I really thought even the most mentally challenged individual could understand this concept. I guess I was wrong about that.
FYI, I've been a CPA for 46 years and have audited a number of government agencies over the years. I know WTF I'm talking about. You say you worked for a government agency a long time ago. So does the guy who collects my trash. I'm guessing you did not work with the budgets or finance since you seem to know so little about it and have to rely of quotes from bureucrats as your source of information.
Here is where you clearly say they don't have enough work for 85,000 additional workers.
So yes, those workers would be doing nothing if they were hired if they didn't have work to do. It's honestly wild how easily you guys will lie then try to not own it.
I didn't say anything about $85 billion - didn't even mention it.
you are drunk and it's not even 11am.
The money was for hiring new employees (new employees and replacing employees that leave/retire)
Hire outside forensic accountants and lawyers to focus on 125,000 high income tax cheats
Replacing old technology (or in some cases buying technology they never had)
Implementing new systems like the free tax filing program that they have now developed and rolled out.
Former IRS Commissioner Charles Rettig, along with his predecessor, asked Congress for additional funding. The agency’s budget has shrunk by more than 15% over the last decade. As a result, staffing levels and audit rates have been declining for years, especially for high income earners.
I don't care if you've been a CPA for 200 years. You are vomiting crap out of your mouth just like you posted that "Under Biden we had no tariffs" - a 100% lie.
"The IRS is serving more people and entities in a global environment than ever before, while handling new and bigger responsibilities. This was the case before the pandemic and has only increased since then. At the same time, we have experienced delays in updating our IT systems, which means the IRS and taxpayers must continue to use certain paper-based processes. This use of paper processes can result in significant delays, contributing to IRS inventories and limiting taxpayers' ability to know the status of their cases.
For example, this year's funding left our Operations Support account, the account that funds all of the hiring, rent, laptops, and telecom for taxpayer services and enforcement employees, $100 million short of our inflationary cost increases. Without shifting the funds to the appropriate accounts, we are left depleting resources from one less-visible program to pay for another essential program, which causes us to slow or stop work on updates to our systems that must be modernized to provide digital services that citizens expect from us. Mandatory multi-year, consistent funding would help us deliver meaningful services to taxpayers, conduct critical enforcement initiatives and support long-term modernization efforts to improve both service and compliance for the nation.
We are in this position because we have not had the sustained sufficient multi-year investment for IT modernization necessary to improve our technology and operating systems. I am here to tell you today that nothing is more important than having those resources in place to make it possible for us to appropriately serve the American people. Absent consistent, timely, multi-year funding we have largely been a paper-based organization operating in a digital world environment. In 2022, IRS employees should not be transcribing paper returns by hand. Taxpayers should not have to wait and wait on the phone—often to no avail. I want to better serve the American people—and so do the dedicated employees at the IRS. They will finally be able to do so if you, and your colleagues, provide us the stable, multi-year funding we need." -
Written Testimony of Charles P. Rettig, then Commissioner Internal Revenue Service before the Senate Finance Committee
He's lying though his fingers.
He's making up crap. It's all in his head. It's not even logical.
Hell, you've got Trump appointees (and others) saying the exact opposite. JGH is full crap just like his "under Biden we had no tariffs" comment. A total lie. Hell, even Republicans in Congress regularly talk about Biden's tariffs.
Well, now you are just flat out lying. But that is what you resort to when you have no logical argument.
In response to my post discussing the $85 billion additional funding here is what you said in post #1148:
"The IRS was and is deeply understaffed. Tens of thousands of retirements and the inability and funding to replace employees.
Trump's own IRS Commissioner advocated for drastic increases in IRS funding to replace employees that had left, especially customer focusing employees."
Then in post 1230 you doubled down with this:
"The 87,000 IRS agents figure comes from a U.S. Treasury Department estimate of the level of hiring needed to maintain IRS efficiency and keep up with retirements and other staff declines over at least a 10 year period. "
Then in post 1233 you triple downed on your lie:
"People leave and retire."
"people die
people retire
People leave
People get other jobs
People quit"
And of course you are going to downplay my substantial credentials since you don't have any other than working for some unnamed govt agency doing God knows what. BTW, due to the weather my trash wasn't picked up yesterday. Can you get over here today and take care of that?
Trump Signs Order To Declassify JFK, RFK, Martin Luther King Jr Files
US President Donald Trump signed an executive order Thursday declassifying files on the 1960s assassinations of President John F. Kennedy and his brother Bobby Kennedy, as well as that of civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr.
Why aren't we getting the Epstein files?
So then your answer is NO you can't find anywhere where I said that. All you can do is tap dance and try to deflect.
So if the number had been 100K or 200k, at what point would you say the budget spending is excessive? Any reasonable person would question the 85,000 since that is more than double the existing staff and would surpass the most employees they have ever had by a large margin.
Has to be miserable arguing like a 5 year old. "I'm not staring at you!!! I'm looking out the window behind you!!!" PROVE ME OTHERWISE!!!!"
Be a man, yes or no the IRS doesn't have the workload to double its workforce?
That decision to hire 85,000 more IRS staff seems especially stupid now that we know even today's "AI" can be made to do the exact same kind of work many IRS agents do.
