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What is the deal with Newsprings (whatever it is). I've read a line or two

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Look that dude would never funnel any money to Clemson, cheat, drink, or steal. As pure as the Holy Water our Gamecock fans on here paid for to baptize that Clemson player in ON THE FIELD. That was never for show it was just the only place to have a baptism. I'm sure the church has made similar monetary donations to SCs players.
 
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Bottom line is Newspring is a huge mega church who's former pastor happened to pull for Clemson. That cranked up the conspiracy theories amongst some Gamecock fans that money funneled through the church is funding Clemsons recruiting success and lending a hand to their football program being so good over the last few years.
 
Are we really going to pretend like Clemson's never been busted for paying players? I seem to remember a robust probation period that included a several year TV and postseason ban?

Players wouldn't out schools if they had taken payment or other improper inducements because they would in effect be outing themselves and thus terminating their remaining eligibility.
If it makes you feel better about yourself, then go ahead and think that. Maybe on day the NCAA Infractions Committee will hire you and you can personally take them down with your inside knowledge.
 
So, in other words, you can't deny anything I said. OK.
I don’t need to deny it, it’s
Pointless. I can point out that after Clemson was places on 2 years probation for things that happened in the 70’s, USC had the worst steroid scandal in major college sports. And then again in 2005 USC was placed on 3 years probation for cheating. So if what Clemson did in the 70’s allowed them to gain two National Championships in this decade, then be patient, because Carolina has at least 4 National Championships in the near future. When posters like yourself point out what other programs have done in the past do you just conveniently forget USC’s history? So, take off your tinfoil hat and think before you speak so as not to make yourself look dumb.
 
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I don’t need to deny it, it’s
Pointless. I can point out that after Clemson was places on 2 years probation for things that happened in the 70’s, USC had the worst steroid scandal in major college sports. And then again in 2005 USC was placed on 3 years probation for cheating. So if what Clemson did in the 70’s allowed them to gain two National Championships in this decade, then be patient, because Carolina has at least 4 National Championships in the near future. When posters like yourself point out what other programs have done in the past do you just conveniently forget USC’s history? So, take off your tinfoil hat and think before you speak so as not to make yourself look dumb.
Name me one time USC was ever busted for paying players.
 
I don’t need to deny it, it’s
Pointless. I can point out that after Clemson was places on 2 years probation for things that happened in the 70’s, USC had the worst steroid scandal in major college sports. And then again in 2005 USC was placed on 3 years probation for cheating. So if what Clemson did in the 70’s allowed them to gain two National Championships in this decade, then be patient, because Carolina has at least 4 National Championships in the near future. When posters like yourself point out what other programs have done in the past do you just conveniently forget USC’s history? So, take off your tinfoil hat and think before you speak so as not to make yourself look dumb.

Both programs have some warts, and no Gamecock who is old enough to have lived thru those times will deny it.

The improper benefits Clemson lavished on players was a scandal that was well documented in SI. It was created and orchestrated by the CU administration and CU Athletic Dept. In other words, it was premeditated, deliberate institutional cheating.

As for the steroid scandal, yes we did it. So did just about every other college sports program including Clemson who actually had a track athlete die in his dorm room bed from steroid use. One of the track coaches (Sam Colson) was made the sacrificial lamb, and was fired. Yes, Clemson had their own steroid scandal ... AFTER ... USC was made the scapegoat for what was going on at pretty much every other D1 school. It was wrong, but conceived by a few football coaches within the football program. There was no institutional involvement.

As for the Wingate Hotel issue where some football players were paying less to live there than other students, the NCAA cited USC for “Failure To Monitor”. They put themselves on voluntary probation, and imposed their own penalty. It was nothing more than a few players who negotiated a lower rate to live there than the hotel gave other students. Wow, some young kids got a lower rent than others. That went on everywhere students lived back in my days as a student. Some got lower rental rates than others ... athletes and non-athletes! Failure To Monitor was the only thing the NCAA could get USC for which basically means ... as a parent, your kids did something against the rules and you should always know everything your kids do.

Do not even begin to compare institutional cheating with a few rogue coaches and players who occasionally go off the reservation. The winning tradition CU boasts about was built on institutional cheating. I could write a thesis on all this but I’ll stop here.
 
Both programs have some warts, and no Gamecock who is old enough to have lived thru those times will deny it.

The improper benefits Clemson lavished on players was a scandal that was well documented in SI. It was created and orchestrated by the CU administration and CU Athletic Dept. In other words, it was premeditated, deliberate institutional cheating.

As for the steroid scandal, yes we did it. So did just about every other college sports program including Clemson who actually had a track athlete die in his dorm room bed from steroid use. One of the track coaches (Sam Colson) was made the sacrificial lamb, and was fired. Yes, Clemson had their own steroid scandal ... AFTER ... USC was made the scapegoat for what was going on at pretty much every other D1 school. It was wrong, but conceived by a few football coaches within the football program. There was no institutional involvement.

As for the Wingate Hotel issue where some football players were paying less to live there than other students, the NCAA cited USC for “Failure To Monitor”. They put themselves on voluntary probation, and imposed their own penalty. It was nothing more than a few players who negotiated a lower rate to live there than the hotel gave other students. Wow, some young kids got a lower rent than others. That went on everywhere students lived back in my days as a student. Some got lower rental rates than others ... athletes and non-athletes! Failure To Monitor was the only thing the NCAA could get USC for which basically means ... as a parent, your kids did something against the rules and you should always know everything your kids do.

Do not even begin to compare institutional cheating with a few rogue coaches and players who occasionally go off the reservation. The winning tradition CU boasts about was built on institutional cheating. I could write a thesis on all this but I’ll stop here.
You’re so full of crap.
 
Have you considered that there are more campuses around SC due to the Columbia metro area being significantly larger than that of Clemson's, or even Greenville's?
Yeah, taters leave clemson after graduating and go back to where they originated or someplace large enough to gain employment in their field. taters abound all over the state.
 
Hit dawg hollers, all from the same cut of cloth....btw, u prefer a copperhead or water moccasin?
You're wrong. I've been a Baptist my entire life, and from the country to boot. I've never heard of a single Baptist who handled snakes for religious reasons. I'd leave any church that thought this was a good idea.
 
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The crazy part is we (Newspring) have more campuses near SC than we do around Clemson. Dabo and his family as well as many of the coaches and players attend Newspring, and actually work with the youth. I hate Clemson as much as the next guy, and wish we could blame of their success on my church, but unfortunately, they have a coach who surrounded himself with competent assistants and built it from the bottom up. Our coach is still trying to "evaluate the tape" and figure out where he is going to spend his buy-out from ol' Ray

Why Cocky, what an ugly thing to say. Dabo did not start at the bottom. I have said this before. WhenScam Newton got away with funds through family, Clemson started signing 5-stars. Go back and look at how the recruiting looked then. So then comes Venables and Elliot coaching much better talent than their predecessors. It makes them look like world beaters but they are not. The cupboard was greatly stocked when they took over OC and DC. Look atClemson recruiting before 2010 and compare with after 2010.

My question is how did a pretty unknown coach start signing all those 5-stars? No other school has done it. I respect Dabo but Clemson has “resources” that helped out a bunch.
 
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I think you are confusing Baptists with Pentecostals.
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You're wrong. I've been a Baptist my entire life, and from the country to boot. I've never heard of a single Baptist who handled snakes for religious reasons. I'd leave any church that thought this was a good idea.

ok, I’ll make it simple, Pentecostals came from the loins of Baptist’s. Feel better now?
 
Really? What does this have to do with anything?

It is a response to the assertion that Newspring only has more Columbia metro branches because the Columbia metro is so much bigger than the Greenville Metro
 
ok, I’ll make it simple, Pentecostals came from the loins of Baptist’s. Feel better now?
You made it simply wrong again. You should look into the history of each if you care to know.
 
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ok, I’ll make it simple, Pentecostals came from the loins of Baptist’s. Feel better now?

No, they didn't. Pentecostalism actually is a direct offshoot of the Methodist church. It has no connection to Baptist churches at all. It started at Bethel Bible College, originally a Methodist institution, and a former Methodist minister named Charles Parham was its first big leader. Together with William J. Seymour, Parham was one of the two central figures in the development and early spread of American Pentecostalism. Seymour was originally trained by Martin Wellls Knapp, also a Methodist preacher who was a central figure of the radical Holiness movement, a unique branch the Methodist church. Pentecostalism has little resemblance now to the modern Methodist Church, but its roots certainly go to the Methodist Church, not the Baptists.

Sorry for all the detail, but religious history is one of my interests.
 
No, they didn't. Pentecostalism actually is a direct offshoot of the Methodist church. It has no connection to Baptist churches at all. It started at Bethel Bible College, originally a Methodist institution, and a former Methodist minister named Charles Parham was its first big leader. Together with William J. Seymour, Parham was one of the two central figures in the development and early spread of American Pentecostalism. Seymour was originally trained by Martin Wellls Knapp, also a Methodist preacher who was a central figure of the radical Holiness movement, a unique branch the Methodist church. Pentecostalism has little resemblance now to the modern Methodist Church, but its roots certainly go to the Methodist Church, not the Baptists.

Sorry for all the detail, but religious history is one of my interests.
No, they didn't. Pentecostalism actually is a direct offshoot of the Methodist church. It has no connection to Baptist churches at all. It started at Bethel Bible College, originally a Methodist institution, and a former Methodist minister named Charles Parham was its first big leader. Together with William J. Seymour, Parham was one of the two central figures in the development and early spread of American Pentecostalism. Seymour was originally trained by Martin Wellls Knapp, also a Methodist preacher who was a central figure of the radical Holiness movement, a unique branch the Methodist church. Pentecostalism has little resemblance now to the modern Methodist Church, but its roots certainly go to the Methodist Church, not the Baptists.

Sorry for all the detail, but religious history is one of my interests.
Limb off the Methodists? They’ve got southern baptist written all over em
 
My mom made me join the church youth choir as punishment for getting really drunk at DW Fry’s three for one Happy Hour during High School. I never liked organized religion much after that experience.

If you have the right flare for it you can make a lot of money with a mega church no matter where you decide to locate. If you are inclined to be a grifter it is a pretty straight-up scam; people looking for salvation will believe what you are selling them if you tell them what they want to hear. You are special because you are here, you are the chosen ones, believe in me and you will make money and be happy, etc...
 
My mom made me join the church youth choir as punishment for getting really drunk at DW Fry’s three for one Happy Hour during High School. I never liked organized religion much after that experience.

If you have the right flare for it you can make a lot of money with a mega church no matter where you decide to locate. If you are inclined to be a grifter it is a pretty straight-up scam; people looking for salvation will believe what you are selling them if you tell them what they want to hear. You are special because you are here, you are the chosen ones, believe in me and you will make money and be happy, etc...

 
Do not like Mega Churches whether in SC or anywhere else. I see where the church in Charlotte is opening one at Furman University. Makes me think of the old Hank Williams song that says send your money to the lord but they give you their address.
 
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Limb off the Methodists? They’ve got southern baptist written all over em

You may think them similar, but there is no connection to Baptists at all. The Pentecostals originated with the Methodists. They are quite different now, but that is their history. Why do they have southern baptist written all over them in your opinion? Baptists don't do snakes.
 
No, they didn't. Pentecostalism actually is a direct offshoot of the Methodist church. It has no connection to Baptist churches at all. It started at Bethel Bible College, originally a Methodist institution, and a former Methodist minister named Charles Parham was its first big leader. Together with William J. Seymour, Parham was one of the two central figures in the development and early spread of American Pentecostalism. Seymour was originally trained by Martin Wellls Knapp, also a Methodist preacher who was a central figure of the radical Holiness movement, a unique branch the Methodist church. Pentecostalism has little resemblance now to the modern Methodist Church, but its roots certainly go to the Methodist Church, not the Baptists.

Sorry for all the detail, but religious history is one of my interests.

Immersion?
 
Look that dude would never funnel any money to Clemson, cheat, drink, or steal. As pure as the Holy Water our Gamecock fans on here paid for to baptize that Clemson player in ON THE FIELD. That was never for show it was just the only place to have a baptism. I'm sure the church has made similar monetary donations to SCs players.
photos speak for itself, he is a tater.
 
Ironically the sermon series we are in right now is called "Elephants in the Room" talking about things that many will not discuss.
This past week was on what we make Idols in our lives (football other sports, hobbies, money, etc)
All the sermons can be found archived at newspring.cc
But I agree with you SGA, you can find those who wear the label because they attend church, hopefully their relationship is more than that.

Strange how people love to attack churches. Especially alleged Christians that attend other churches. I have been member a few my life; from the 200 member Baptist church, to large Presbyterian church, larger Baptist church, to Newspring. No perfect churches or people. They teach Bible, all I care about. Some people a little self-righteous. And, all is a bit offensive to non-believer.
 
im roman catholic, we have a priest who sings traditional mid evil melodies in latin. we also have an organ and a choir. the most excitement during mass is when some quietly caughs in the back. but we don’t go to church for entertainment. we go to observe our eternal damnation and pray to keep our sorry asses from burning in hell, and to give us hope that God is still up there. thats about it. only costs a couple bucks a week.
 
'Scam' Newton committed to MSST and then changed his mind. Reports are 'Scam's' preacher Dad was funneled $250 grand from an AU fan to his church in Atlanta, and 'Scam' changed his commitment to AU. Clempsun is Auburn with a lake, OR Auburn is Clempsun without a lake. Both are Johnny come lately hillbilly land grant colleges.
 
FYI... Newspring is not a progressive (liberal) church. It is a Biblically based (conservative) church and a member of the Southern Baptist Convention. It's just very contemporary in terms of music and dress code. As for the Clemson rumors, I hope it's not true for Newsprings sake but it could be true. Clemson funnels $ to key recruits somehow.
I hate to break this to you, but so does USC. The Newspring talk is just a silly internet joke that somehow gained a life of its own. I was still all for it because it seems to rile up Clemmers, but lately as the rumor has gotten bigger, I’ve wondered if it’s unfair to the actual church to continue with the story.
 
I’m as much of a Carolina fan as there ever has been...
I dislike clemson so much,, i have a handle on here that clearly states that i think they blow..

That being said,, clemson fans, georgia fans, rutgers fans,,, we’re all God’s children.

I do not attend new spring...never will.. i like the intimacy of a smaller church,,, but there is nothing wrong with mega churches.. Jesus preached to masses as recorded in the bible

Perry Noble always seemed a little different,, made mistakes and was removed.. New spring (from what i understand) preaches the bible,, and the salvation route is the same as a New Testament church.

Did they and dabo baptize some players?? As a Gamecock fan and a man of God,,, all i can say is hallelujah! More soldiers in God’s army. At the end of the day these are mature kids,, someones pride and joy,, no matter what uniform they don.

Sports brings out the passion in all of us,,, but we cant lose sight of the bigger picture of saving souls and making the world a better place..
 
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