Why After Every Basketball Loss...

[Cocky4SC]

Do we see the same posters putting how pathetic this team is and that Frank sucks as a coach. While this year one of these statements may be true, but is it necessary to flame this situation after every game?

Here are a few facts:

1) We don't have any shooters on the team right now or truly gifted "bigs" on our team.
2) Frank was given a program that hasn't had any success in 40+ years and is expected to turn it around in less than three
3) Our fanbase jumped on the wagon when the team was winning by twenty and thirty over Clemsux, ISU, OkSt. then SEC play started and everyone quickly jumped right back off the wagon when the dream season ended by us waking up to reality.
4) Frank is recruiting hard to get the players to fit into his system (Dozier, Silva) Hopefully land Woods next year.
5) Spurrier didn't do so hot his first three years here, in fact they were much like this year, but we didn't throw him off our boat. If Martin doesn't get the program going in right direction after next year, then maybe start to look elsewhere. Us shuffling through coaches isn't going to build our program.
6) Clemson still sucks.

 

[gamecockengineer2011]

Spurrier took us from a sub .500 team to an over .500 team immediately and beat teams in football we hadnt beaten in 20+ years. Thats not a good comparison to make.

 

[MorganEFan]

You nailed the problem when you said everyone was behind program when we beat Iowa St, CU and Oklahoma St. How did we play that well then but look so pitiful now? How does a team turn that bad in such a short period?

I am not saying get rid of Coach Martin I am just wondering how things go sour so quickly?

Can we not expect improvement?

 

[Cocky4SC]

SOSs 2005- 7-5 During this time won only one bowl game, he was 1-3
2006- 8-5
2007- 6-6
2008- 7-6
2009- 7-6

So he didn't take us immeditately to greatness. I would say it took time... Perfect example.

This post was edited on 2/25 10:44 AM by Cocky4SC

 

[Todd Lewis]

Originally posted by Cocky4SC:
Do we see the same posters putting how pathetic this team is and that Frank sucks as a coach. While this year one of these statements may be true, but is it necessary to flame this situation after every game?

Here are a few facts:

1) We don't have any shooters on the team right now or truly gifted "bigs" on our team.
2) Frank was given a program that hasn't had any success in 40+ years and is expected to turn it around in less than three
3) Our fanbase jumped on the wagon when the team was winning by twenty and thirty over Clemsux, ISU, OkSt. then SEC play started and everyone quickly jumped right back off the wagon when the dream season ended by us waking up to reality.
4) Frank is recruiting hard to get the players to fit into his system (Dozier, Silva) Hopefully land Woods next year.
5) Spurrier didn't do so hot his first three years here, in fact they were much like this year, but we didn't throw him off our boat. If Martin doesn't get the program going in right direction after next year, then maybe start to look elsewhere. Us shuffling through coaches isn't going to build our program.
6) Clemson still sucks.

Frank Martin is 4-11 in the SEC this year and 12-39 in the SEC overall. That's one of the worst career records in SEC history.

Don't sugarcoat it, sweetheart.

 

[Cocky4SC]

Okay Sweetheart... I guess Greg Marshall would have won us a national championship by now right?

Of those 11 loses this year, how many have been blowouts? Three. How many loses have come down to the last three-five minutes of a game? The rest of the loses. Why is that? It is the lack of depth. Not coaching. We have had injuries. Transfers from the program and sometimes bad bounces that have lost us the game. Don't blame it all on Frank.


You Sir, seem like another guy on this site that joined during basketball season and who can't wait to post something right after a loss about the basketball program.Did you want to fire Dawn after her first couple of seasons here also???

 

[Todd Lewis]

Originally posted by Cocky4SC:
Okay Sweetheart... I guess Greg Marshall would have won us a national championship by now right?

Of those 11 loses this year, how many have been blowouts? Three. How many loses have come down to the last three-five minutes of a game? The rest of the loses. Why is that? It is the lack of depth. Not coaching. We have had injuries. Transfers from the program and sometimes bad bounces that have lost us the game. Don't blame it all on Frank.


You Sir, seem like another guy on this site that joined during basketball season and who can't wait to post something right after a loss about the basketball program.Did you want to fire Dawn after her first couple of seasons here also???

No need to debate Gregg Marshall versus Frank, as any reasonable person readily would concede that Marshall is a much better/more accomplished coach than Frank.

I don't know how many championships Marshall might have won here. However, I do know that virtually anybody walking down Main Street could go 12-39 in SEC games. You just need a pulse to go 12-39.

Frank is in charge. If there is a lack of depth, he is responsible and accountable for that, as well as any other shortcomings. You are what your record says you are.

 

[pepsicock]

Originally posted by Todd Lewis:

Originally posted by Cocky4SC:
Okay Sweetheart... I guess Greg Marshall would have won us a national championship by now right?

Of those 11 loses this year, how many have been blowouts? Three. How many loses have come down to the last three-five minutes of a game? The rest of the loses. Why is that? It is the lack of depth. Not coaching. We have had injuries. Transfers from the program and sometimes bad bounces that have lost us the game. Don't blame it all on Frank.


You Sir, seem like another guy on this site that joined during basketball season and who can't wait to post something right after a loss about the basketball program.Did you want to fire Dawn after her first couple of seasons here also???

No need to debate Gregg Marshall versus Frank, as any reasonable person readily would concede that Marshall is a much better/more accomplished coach than Frank.

I don't know how many championships Marshall might have won here. However, I do know that virtually anybody walking down Main Street could go 12-39 in SEC games. You just need a pulse to go 12-39.

Frank is in charge. If there is a lack of depth, he is responsible and accountable for that, as well as any other shortcomings. You are what your record says you are.

Get over the fact that Gregg Marshall is NEVER I repeat NEVER coming here. So stop crying about it. lol

 

[Todd Lewis]

Originally posted by pepsicock:

Originally posted by Todd Lewis:

Originally posted by Cocky4SC:
Okay Sweetheart... I guess Greg Marshall would have won us a national championship by now right?

Of those 11 loses this year, how many have been blowouts? Three. How many loses have come down to the last three-five minutes of a game? The rest of the loses. Why is that? It is the lack of depth. Not coaching. We have had injuries. Transfers from the program and sometimes bad bounces that have lost us the game. Don't blame it all on Frank.


You Sir, seem like another guy on this site that joined during basketball season and who can't wait to post something right after a loss about the basketball program.Did you want to fire Dawn after her first couple of seasons here also???

No need to debate Gregg Marshall versus Frank, as any reasonable person readily would concede that Marshall is a much better/more accomplished coach than Frank.

I don't know how many championships Marshall might have won here. However, I do know that virtually anybody walking down Main Street could go 12-39 in SEC games. You just need a pulse to go 12-39.

Frank is in charge. If there is a lack of depth, he is responsible and accountable for that, as well as any other shortcomings. You are what your record says you are.

Get over the fact that Gregg Marshall is NEVER I repeat NEVER coming here. So stop crying about it. lol

For once, you probably are correct. Gregg Marshall will never come here because he is way bigger than us now. We could not afford him, as he eventually will leave WSU for an elite program.

Gregg Marshall is out of our league.

 

[Gamecock Lifer]

Originally posted by Cocky4SC:


SOSs 2005- 7-5 During this time won only one bowl game, he was 1-3
2006- 8-5
2007- 6-6
2008- 7-6
2009- 7-6
So he didn't take us immeditately to greatness. I would say it took time... Perfect example.

This post was edited on 2/25 10:44 AM by Cocky4SC

Yeah, if Spurrier was a BASKETBALL coach it is a valid example... The problem with comparing what SOS did to the job our basketball coaches have on their plate is this- there are only 5 guys on a starting roster, maybe 12 or 13 scholi guys ON THE WHOLE TEAM (we have like 8 left right now?), where as football has 22 starters on offense and defense, then special teams... Overall 85 scholarship players. It takes a lot longer to turnover EIGHTY FIVE guys and get YOUR team out there, and it usually takes a whole bunch of talented guys to turn a football team around. In basketball, you can recruit one good class, bring in really talented freshmen and turn a team from a loser to a winner over night. Is it reasonable to expect that to Happen Here? Probably not.. Not in ONE YEAR. It IS reasonable to expect a coach to bring in impact players- where again a team of five guys can improve a LOT because of one or two impact players being added- within the first three years or so... Even with our crappy basketball past. We brought Martin in BECAUSE of his recruiting connections and his shown ability to build a team quickly... And we haven't gotten it YET. I think dozier WILL BE that kind of impact guy for us next year. Blanton could help a lot as well.., Stroman will be a good player, Thornwell needs to be more consistent but he is a good player... Notice... We are seeing the parts come together. I am not bashing Martin- Lord knows I defend him as much as anyone, but I get the frustration and I do NOT agree with the comparison to what SOS did in football. Football takes longer to recruit enough difference makers than basketball generally speaking. I think Martin will get it done, but he has NOT gotten it done yet,

 

[AgnosticTrollCock]

Originally posted by pepsicock:

Originally posted by Todd Lewis:

Originally posted by Cocky4SC:
Okay Sweetheart... I guess Greg Marshall would have won us a national championship by now right?

Of those 11 loses this year, how many have been blowouts? Three. How many loses have come down to the last three-five minutes of a game? The rest of the loses. Why is that? It is the lack of depth. Not coaching. We have had injuries. Transfers from the program and sometimes bad bounces that have lost us the game. Don't blame it all on Frank.


You Sir, seem like another guy on this site that joined during basketball season and who can't wait to post something right after a loss about the basketball program.Did you want to fire Dawn after her first couple of seasons here also???

No need to debate Gregg Marshall versus Frank, as any reasonable person readily would concede that Marshall is a much better/more accomplished coach than Frank.

I don't know how many championships Marshall might have won here. However, I do know that virtually anybody walking down Main Street could go 12-39 in SEC games. You just need a pulse to go 12-39.

Frank is in charge. If there is a lack of depth, he is responsible and accountable for that, as well as any other shortcomings. You are what your record says you are.

Get over the fact that Gregg Marshall is NEVER I repeat NEVER coming here. So stop crying about it. lol

How's that, "Gregg Marshall will never accomplish anything at WSU" comment working out for you?

 

[Bongsummers]

Originally posted by Cocky4SC:
Okay Sweetheart... I guess Greg Marshall would have won us a national championship by now right?

Of those 11 loses this year, how many have been blowouts? Three. How many loses have come down to the last three-five minutes of a game? The rest of the loses. Why is that? It is the lack of depth. Not coaching. We have had injuries. Transfers from the program and sometimes bad bounces that have lost us the game. Don't blame it all on Frank.


You Sir, seem like another guy on this site that joined during basketball season and who can't wait to post something right after a loss about the basketball program.Did you want to fire Dawn after her first couple of seasons here also???

This is your argument?

Just curious - were you one of the guys saying we needed to give Horn more time because the guy was eventually going to get it done?

 

[gridfan]

I disagree, we've had success, we just cannot sustain it, we won a

SEC Regular Season Championship in the 90s, were #2 seed in the NCAA tourney twice, won back-to-back NIT Championships, had enough enthusiasm in the program to build a 18,000 seat arena and we have never converted any of that "success" into an annual NCAA tourney contender

 

[Palmetto1984]

I 100% agree with those that made the points that basketball and football are totally different when trying to build a program. I have heard many claiming Martin needs 6-7 before we can evaluate what he has done, which it should not take that long to show significant improvement. Dawn has made progress pretty much every year she has been here and it has not taken nearly as long as that. I think we have shown overall improvement since Martin's first year, but not much. Our offense should not be this bad. If we have a season like this year, next year, then it should be time to evaluate if Martin is getting the job done and if we are on the right path.

 

[Cocky4SC]

The point I was trying to make was just like many have tried to spin our losses in football this year into an argument that we should have been a 10-3 year. In reality, could this team be 9-6/10-5 in conference right now? I think so. With that record we would be in the way to the tournament. For whatever reason we hit a brick wall in the season. If Frank doesn't show an Nit type team next year and a dance type team the following, then yes he should be let go. I think many have forgotten about the mess that DHonker left us in.

 

[ipull4usc]

Originally posted by Cocky4SC:
The point I was trying to make was just like many have tried to spin our losses in football this year into an argument that we should have been a 10-3 year. In reality, could this team be 9-6/10-5 in conference right now? I think so. With that record we would be in the way to the tournament. For whatever reason we hit a brick wall in the season. If Frank doesn't show an Nit type team next year and a dance type team the following, then yes he should be let go. I think many have forgotten about the mess that DHonker left us in.

I don't put any stock in "what ifs." It's conference basketball, most conference games are close games regardless of the two teams, so saying that we could've won some of our close losses is an argument every team in the league could make. Someone making this argument would also have to acknowledge the fact that 3 of our 4 conference wins were close, single-digit wins.

 

[DarkCock]

Originally posted by Cocky4SC:
The point I was trying to make was just like many have tried to spin our losses in football this year into an argument that we should have been a 10-3 year. In reality, could this team be 9-6/10-5 in conference right now? I think so. With that record we would be in the way to the tournament. For whatever reason we hit a brick wall in the season. If Frank doesn't show an Nit type team next year and a dance type team the following, then yes he should be let go. I think many have forgotten about the mess that DHonker left us in.

3 of our 4 conference wins went down to the wire as well. Realistically, we could be 1-14.

 

[hobcawcreekcock]

Horn was a horrible hire, and left a damn mess here when he was fired. We had players transferring, and very little talent ANYWHERE. Not sure FM knew what he was getting into here? We have better talent, and are getting two more quality players for next season. We lose Johnson at guard, but I believe everyone else returns. Whether the two suspended guys are here, is still unknown.

Martin gets at least one more year to prove he can get it done. Wish the kid that left for UVA (Gill) had stayed around, however I'm sure he's glad he didn't!

 

[Manning02]

Quick answer is probably the same reason that after a win, the same posters are on here praising Frank and talking about how we are headed in the right direction and will eventually be great under him. Basically, because the season itself isn't giving anything to really truly discuss, you're going to have both extremist come out depending on whether it is a win or a loss.

 

[funktavious]

Originally posted by Todd Lewis:

Originally posted by pepsicock:

Originally posted by Todd Lewis:

Originally posted by Cocky4SC:
Okay Sweetheart... I guess Greg Marshall would have won us a national championship by now right?

Of those 11 loses this year, how many have been blowouts? Three. How many loses have come down to the last three-five minutes of a game? The rest of the loses. Why is that? It is the lack of depth. Not coaching. We have had injuries. Transfers from the program and sometimes bad bounces that have lost us the game. Don't blame it all on Frank.


You Sir, seem like another guy on this site that joined during basketball season and who can't wait to post something right after a loss about the basketball program.Did you want to fire Dawn after her first couple of seasons here also???

No need to debate Gregg Marshall versus Frank, as any reasonable person readily would concede that Marshall is a much better/more accomplished coach than Frank.

I don't know how many championships Marshall might have won here. However, I do know that virtually anybody walking down Main Street could go 12-39 in SEC games. You just need a pulse to go 12-39.

Frank is in charge. If there is a lack of depth, he is responsible and accountable for that, as well as any other shortcomings. You are what your record says you are.

Get over the fact that Gregg Marshall is NEVER I repeat NEVER coming here. So stop crying about it. lol

For once, you probably are correct. Gregg Marshall will never come here because he is way bigger than us now. We could not afford him, as he eventually will leave WSU for an elite program.

Gregg Marshall is out of our league.

Greg Marshall won't come here because he has a much easier road at WS. He doesn't have to play anyone the entire regular season so the likelihood of him winning his conference and going to the NCAA tournament is always going to be pretty high. He's also at a school where basketball is king. If you don't think Frank could take that WS team and win that conference then you're misguided.

 

[AgnosticTrollCock]

Originally posted by funktavious:

Originally posted by Todd Lewis:

Originally posted by pepsicock:

Originally posted by Todd Lewis:

Originally posted by Cocky4SC:
Okay Sweetheart... I guess Greg Marshall would have won us a national championship by now right?

Of those 11 loses this year, how many have been blowouts? Three. How many loses have come down to the last three-five minutes of a game? The rest of the loses. Why is that? It is the lack of depth. Not coaching. We have had injuries. Transfers from the program and sometimes bad bounces that have lost us the game. Don't blame it all on Frank.


You Sir, seem like another guy on this site that joined during basketball season and who can't wait to post something right after a loss about the basketball program.Did you want to fire Dawn after her first couple of seasons here also???

No need to debate Gregg Marshall versus Frank, as any reasonable person readily would concede that Marshall is a much better/more accomplished coach than Frank.

I don't know how many championships Marshall might have won here. However, I do know that virtually anybody walking down Main Street could go 12-39 in SEC games. You just need a pulse to go 12-39.

Frank is in charge. If there is a lack of depth, he is responsible and accountable for that, as well as any other shortcomings. You are what your record says you are.

Get over the fact that Gregg Marshall is NEVER I repeat NEVER coming here. So stop crying about it. lol

For once, you probably are correct. Gregg Marshall will never come here because he is way bigger than us now. We could not afford him, as he eventually will leave WSU for an elite program.

Gregg Marshall is out of our league.

Greg Marshall won't come here because he has a much easier road at WS. He doesn't have to play anyone the entire regular season so the likelihood of him winning his conference and going to the NCAA tournament is always going to be pretty high. He's also at a school where basketball is king. If you don't think Frank could take that WS team and win that conference then you're misguided.

So, Martin could win with Marshall's recruits? There is nothing in Martin's history to indicate Martin would do anything similar to what Marshall has done. Marshall has has taken two programs and turned them into winners while showing improvement each time in the first few seasons, then conference titles, and ncaa bids and runs. Martin has done nothing but ride coattails til his Carolina coaching stint. He couldn't even win a conference title at KState while having one of the most highly rated recruiting classes. Even what Marshall has done versus SEC competition compared to Martin is laughable. Marshall is capable of take 2 and 3 stars and turning them into winners, Martin not so much.

 

[ToddFlanders]

Originally posted by funktavious:

Originally posted by Todd Lewis:

Originally posted by pepsicock:

Originally posted by Todd Lewis:

Originally posted by Cocky4SC:
Okay Sweetheart... I guess Greg Marshall would have won us a national championship by now right?

Of those 11 loses this year, how many have been blowouts? Three. How many loses have come down to the last three-five minutes of a game? The rest of the loses. Why is that? It is the lack of depth. Not coaching. We have had injuries. Transfers from the program and sometimes bad bounces that have lost us the game. Don't blame it all on Frank.


You Sir, seem like another guy on this site that joined during basketball season and who can't wait to post something right after a loss about the basketball program.Did you want to fire Dawn after her first couple of seasons here also???

No need to debate Gregg Marshall versus Frank, as any reasonable person readily would concede that Marshall is a much better/more accomplished coach than Frank.

I don't know how many championships Marshall might have won here. However, I do know that virtually anybody walking down Main Street could go 12-39 in SEC games. You just need a pulse to go 12-39.

Frank is in charge. If there is a lack of depth, he is responsible and accountable for that, as well as any other shortcomings. You are what your record says you are.

Get over the fact that Gregg Marshall is NEVER I repeat NEVER coming here. So stop crying about it. lol

For once, you probably are correct. Gregg Marshall will never come here because he is way bigger than us now. We could not afford him, as he eventually will leave WSU for an elite program.

Gregg Marshall is out of our league.

Greg Marshall won't come here because he has a much easier road at WS. He doesn't have to play anyone the entire regular season so the likelihood of him winning his conference and going to the NCAA tournament is always going to be pretty high. He's also at a school where basketball is king. If you don't think Frank could take that WS team and win that conference then you're misguided.

The odds of Wichita State going to the NCAA tourney every year are high because of Marshall, not the conference. Prior to this run of what will be four straight appearances - WSU went once in 23 years. And it's funny that you mention no one in the conference to play, as they are about to play the #10 team in the country for the conference championship on Saturday.

Marshall is the best basketball coach in the history of two schools right now - he'll be a star at his next stop.

As for Frank, I still support him (at the very least his teams haven't gotten worse each succeeding year like Horn), but as someone just pointed out, he never even won a conference championship at K-State with incredible players. And he could get great players, which is another reason I still support Frank. However, the fact that Bruce Weber comes into K-State his first year and wins the conference, let's me think that Frank isn't quite there yet as an on-the-court coach.

 

[cockofdawn]

USC missed there shot at Greg Marshall. It is done! Yes, I was a supporter of trying to bring him to Columbia, but it wasnt to be. Now Martin needs to start showing improvement, if he does not have a .500 or better record in SEC next year, he needs to go... This team is not and hasnt been good his entire tenure here.. But apparently he deserves another year.. He has not even come close to what Spurrier or Staley have accomplished, not that he ever will, but the USC deserves to see major improvement in that program, Fogler, who got run off, at least had USC in teh big dance and as a number two and number three seed.. Then Odom at least won two NIT's, i know it was NIT's BUT........

 

[funktavious]

Originally posted by ToddFlanders:

Originally posted by funktavious:

Originally posted by Todd Lewis:

Originally posted by pepsicock:

Originally posted by Todd Lewis:

Originally posted by Cocky4SC:
Okay Sweetheart... I guess Greg Marshall would have won us a national championship by now right?

Of those 11 loses this year, how many have been blowouts? Three. How many loses have come down to the last three-five minutes of a game? The rest of the loses. Why is that? It is the lack of depth. Not coaching. We have had injuries. Transfers from the program and sometimes bad bounces that have lost us the game. Don't blame it all on Frank.


You Sir, seem like another guy on this site that joined during basketball season and who can't wait to post something right after a loss about the basketball program.Did you want to fire Dawn after her first couple of seasons here also???

No need to debate Gregg Marshall versus Frank, as any reasonable person readily would concede that Marshall is a much better/more accomplished coach than Frank.

I don't know how many championships Marshall might have won here. However, I do know that virtually anybody walking down Main Street could go 12-39 in SEC games. You just need a pulse to go 12-39.

Frank is in charge. If there is a lack of depth, he is responsible and accountable for that, as well as any other shortcomings. You are what your record says you are.

Get over the fact that Gregg Marshall is NEVER I repeat NEVER coming here. So stop crying about it. lol

For once, you probably are correct. Gregg Marshall will never come here because he is way bigger than us now. We could not afford him, as he eventually will leave WSU for an elite program.

Gregg Marshall is out of our league.

Greg Marshall won't come here because he has a much easier road at WS. He doesn't have to play anyone the entire regular season so the likelihood of him winning his conference and going to the NCAA tournament is always going to be pretty high. He's also at a school where basketball is king. If you don't think Frank could take that WS team and win that conference then you're misguided.

The odds of Wichita State going to the NCAA tourney every year are high because of Marshall, not the conference. Prior to this run of what will be four straight appearances - WSU went once in 23 years. And it's funny that you mention no one in the conference to play, as they are about to play the #10 team in the country for the conference championship on Saturday.

Marshall is the best basketball coach in the history of two schools right now - he'll be a star at his next stop.

As for Frank, I still support him (at the very least his teams haven't gotten worse each succeeding year like Horn), but as someone just pointed out, he never even won a conference championship at K-State with incredible players. And he could get great players, which is another reason I still support Frank. However, the fact that Bruce Weber comes into K-State his first year and wins the conference, let's me think that Frank isn't quite there yet as an on-the-court coach.

I honestly forgot that Northern Iowa was in the same conference. They have a decent team but haven't beaten anyone significant. They're lone quality win was against WSU. Shocking, I know. Greg Marshall is a good coach. I'm not denying that but the thought that winning at WSU is equivalent to winning at USC is farfetched. The Missouri Valley is not a power-5 conference and building at that level is much easier than building here. How often do superstar can't miss coaches come up from that level only to fall flat on their faces? Horne is a prime example. Don't get me wrong. I would have loved to have gotten Marshall and I would have rooted for him. I can't honestly say however that I think he would have turned the program around overnight. There are only a few coaches with that ability. John Calipari is probably the surest guarantee of success and he'd probably have us on probation within a few years but he'd definitely bring in high profile recruits and that's what it boils down to.

 

[uscfan1981]

Originally posted by Gamecock Lifer:

Originally posted by Cocky4SC:


SOSs 2005- 7-5 During this time won only one bowl game, he was 1-3
2006- 8-5
2007- 6-6
2008- 7-6
2009- 7-6
So he didn't take us immeditately to greatness. I would say it took time... Perfect example.


This post was edited on 2/25 10:44 AM by Cocky4SC

Yeah, if Spurrier was a BASKETBALL coach it is a valid example... The problem with comparing what SOS did to the job our basketball coaches have on their plate is this- there are only 5 guys on a starting roster, maybe 12 or 13 scholi guys ON THE WHOLE TEAM (we have like 8 left right now?), where as football has 22 starters on offense and defense, then special teams... Overall 85 scholarship players. It takes a lot longer to turnover EIGHTY FIVE guys and get YOUR team out there, and it usually takes a whole bunch of talented guys to turn a football team around. In basketball, you can recruit one good class, bring in really talented freshmen and turn a team from a loser to a winner over night. Is it reasonable to expect that to Happen Here? Probably not.. Not in ONE YEAR. It IS reasonable to expect a coach to bring in impact players- where again a team of five guys can improve a LOT because of one or two impact players being added- within the first three years or so... Even with our crappy basketball past. We brought Martin in BECAUSE of his recruiting connections and his shown ability to build a team quickly... And we haven't gotten it YET. I think dozier WILL BE that kind of impact guy for us next year. Blanton could help a lot as well.., Stroman will be a good player, Thornwell needs to be more consistent but he is a good player... Notice... We are seeing the parts come together. I am not bashing Martin- Lord knows I defend him as much as anyone, but I get the frustration and I do NOT agree with the comparison to what SOS did in football. Football takes longer to recruit enough difference makers than basketball generally speaking. I think Martin will get it done, but he has NOT gotten it done yet,

Another point that everyone overlooks when they make this stupid argument is....While SOS first 5 years were mediocre...THEY WERE THE BEST 5 YEAR PERIOD IS THE HISTORY OF THE PROGRAM

 

[Bongsummers]

Originally posted by uscfan1981:

Originally posted by Gamecock Lifer:

Originally posted by Cocky4SC:


SOSs 2005- 7-5 During this time won only one bowl game, he was 1-3
2006- 8-5
2007- 6-6
2008- 7-6
2009- 7-6
So he didn't take us immeditately to greatness. I would say it took time... Perfect example.


This post was edited on 2/25 10:44 AM by Cocky4SC

Yeah, if Spurrier was a BASKETBALL coach it is a valid example... The problem with comparing what SOS did to the job our basketball coaches have on their plate is this- there are only 5 guys on a starting roster, maybe 12 or 13 scholi guys ON THE WHOLE TEAM (we have like 8 left right now?), where as football has 22 starters on offense and defense, then special teams... Overall 85 scholarship players. It takes a lot longer to turnover EIGHTY FIVE guys and get YOUR team out there, and it usually takes a whole bunch of talented guys to turn a football team around. In basketball, you can recruit one good class, bring in really talented freshmen and turn a team from a loser to a winner over night. Is it reasonable to expect that to Happen Here? Probably not.. Not in ONE YEAR. It IS reasonable to expect a coach to bring in impact players- where again a team of five guys can improve a LOT because of one or two impact players being added- within the first three years or so... Even with our crappy basketball past. We brought Martin in BECAUSE of his recruiting connections and his shown ability to build a team quickly... And we haven't gotten it YET. I think dozier WILL BE that kind of impact guy for us next year. Blanton could help a lot as well.., Stroman will be a good player, Thornwell needs to be more consistent but he is a good player... Notice... We are seeing the parts come together. I am not bashing Martin- Lord knows I defend him as much as anyone, but I get the frustration and I do NOT agree with the comparison to what SOS did in football. Football takes longer to recruit enough difference makers than basketball generally speaking. I think Martin will get it done, but he has NOT gotten it done yet,

Another point that everyone overlooks when they make this stupid argument is....While SOS first 5 years were mediocre...THEY WERE THE BEST 5 YEAR PERIOD IS THE HISTORY OF THE PROGRAM

Bingo.