I would like to have a intelligent discussion about the horrible shooting that occurred today in Boulder, Co. No politics allowed.

[Lurker123]

The 2nd Amendment needs to be banned. I'm not trying to get anyone riled up, but just imagine if none of the population had a personal firearm of any kind. I think it would lead to a more civil society.

I think that's debatable.

One counterpoint would be to say, if drugs were illegal, we wouldn't have overdoses and drug addicts. Round about way of saying that if you ban something like guns, only the law abiding people will disarm, the criminals will keep getting theirs.

 

[Dizzy01]

You’re spinning in circles.

There are certainly people on the no fly, or “watch list” as you call it who are eventually allowed to buy guns. I don’t have a problem using the no fly list as a check for gun ownership. The biggest issue with it is if you’re incorrectly added to that list, it’s almost impossible to get your named removed....which is why Ted Kennedy and John Lewis kept running into issues. If then-active politicians can’t get their name removed, imagine how you would do so if you had that same issue?

Then you mentioned “terror watch lists”.

I think if the FBI has questioned you for a potential terror threat, if you try to legally try to buy a gun it should come under increased scrutiny.

My point, again, is I find it odd that a fair number of shooters have legally purchased guns after being questioned by the FBI, and don’t seem to have had any issue in doing so. It’s happened enough that it’s curious how it repeats itself.

Maybe you don’t find that odd. Or maybe you just like arguing.

There is no spin. You are concerned that people who are on FBI watch lists have bought guns and then turned around and used them for mass shootings. The solution for this is to utilize the watch lists as a reason the delay/disqualify someone from being able to purchase a gun. You are opposed to that because sometimes people end up on those lists by accident. So again you aren’t concerned about the people on a watch list buying a gun.

I also already said there is nothing odd about people on those lists being involved in these types of activities. They ended up on those list for a reason and If you don’t use those lists to prohibit gun purchases you will continue to see that happen. It is a bigger shock when someone not on those lists are involved in these types of incidents.

 

[Silver_Coconut]

Your own article you posted discredited the data.

Despite your point the low end is still 60,000

 

[WingchunCock]

The 2nd Amendment needs to be banned. I'm not trying to get anyone riled up, but just imagine if none of the population had a personal firearm of any kind. I think it would lead to a more civil society.

Hitler thought so as well, the Jewish people in Germany disagreed.

 

[uscwatson21]

Hitler thought so as well, the Jewish people in Germany disagreed.

Why do people still post this as if it's credible?

Hitler actually relaxed the gun laws in Germany.

 

[jsusc]

Hitler thought so as well, the Jewish people in Germany disagreed.

Come on though, we don't have a Hitler looming here that could get away with that.

 

[WingchunCock]

Why do people still post this as if it's credible?

Hitler actually relaxed the gun laws in Germany.

For Nazi party members, not Jews though.

 

[jsusc]

Why do people still post this as if it's credible?

Hitler actually relaxed the gun laws in Germany.

To be fair in this argument though, Hitler did enact rules that prevented jewish people from owning firearms.

 

[WingchunCock]

Come on though, we don't have a Hitler looming here that could get away with that.

See Democrat Party as exhibit#1. Multiple people are pushing gun confiscation.

 

[jsusc]

See Democrat Party as exhibit#1. Multiple people are pushing gun confiscation.

I'm a liberal democrat. I'm not talking about gun confiscation...I'm talking about we don't have another Hitler looming that could get away with the atrocities he committed.

 

[lilburncock]

Is this really the argument you're reduced to?

Literally, everyone I know that enjoys firearms would love to have an M60 or an RPG. But none of them do, because no one wants to go to prison. Shocker, because weapons bans actually work on the vast majority of people.

I doubt you actually know anyone who enjoys firearms.
I doubt you know anyone over the age of 11 not named mom or dad.

 

[lilburncock]

Could you explain to us how the UK has a lower rate of rape than the US considering they don't have all the guns we have to prevent the rapes?

Can you prove this to be true.

 

[uscwatson21]

To be fair in this argument though, Hitler did enact rules that prevented jewish people from owning firearms.

So it's not really relevant because no one is trying to systematically oppress a demographic that's less than 1% of the population.

Were there any holocausts in Australia or anywhere else in the industrial world that enacted strict gun control measurers?

 

[uscwatson21]

I doubt you actually know anyone who enjoys firearms.
I doubt you know anyone over the age of 11 not named mom or dad.

In my line of work, I'm inundated with firearms.

 

[lilburncock]

The 2nd Amendment needs to be banned. I'm not trying to get anyone riled up, but just imagine if none of the population had a personal firearm of any kind. I think it would lead to a more civil society.

There is a way to abolish the 2A. Please feel free to pursue the process. It is well defined.

 

[uscwatson21]

Can you prove this to be true.

Rape statistics - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.

 

[jsusc]

So it's not really relevant because no one is trying to systematically oppress a demographic that's less than 1% of the population.

Were there any holocausts in Australia or anywhere else in the industrial world that enacted strict gun control measurers?

I was merely showing that Hitler didn't relax gun regulations for all.

 

[jsusc]

There is a way to abolish the 2A. Please feel free to pursue the process. It is well defined.

I know, and I wish we as a nation would do that. I would like to see another constitutional convention, so that many things about the document could maybe get cleared up at once.

 

[DeepfriedCock]

Concealed weapons permits continues to rise and violent crime continues to go down. Works for me.

 

[bflogger28]

I know, and I wish we as a nation would do that. I would like to see another constitutional convention, so that many things about the document could maybe get cleared up at once.

the Liberal Socialst Left wants to Completely RIP up the Constitution... Trust me, our forefathers were much smarter and freedonm loving thatn these idiots leading our nation now.. Leave the Constitution alone. it has worked for 244+ years, now they want to change it because Pelosi, Schumer, Haris and AOC want too...

 

[lilburncock]

Why do people still post this as if it's credible?

Hitler actually relaxed the gun laws in Germany.

You have now proven yourself a credible idiot.

 

[lilburncock]

In my line of work, I'm inundated with firearms.

Lots of LEOs enjoy a donut.
That does not mean you are inundated.
If you were you would wet your pants.

 

[lilburncock]

I know, and I wish we as a nation would do that. I would like to see another constitutional convention, so that many things about the document could maybe get cleared up at once.

Support it, rally your friends.
Be honest about it.
Don't support those who would bypass the law to get what they want.

 

[Boom4life]

Come on though, we don't have a Hitler looming here that could get away with that.

Really I seem to remember a lot of people from the left calling trump hitler.

 

[Boom4life]

I know, and I wish we as a nation would do that. I would like to see another constitutional convention, so that many things about the document could maybe get cleared up at once.

Meaning you want to change it to only agree with the way half the people in this country feel. Sounds divisive. We tried that one time and it ended in a civil war.

 

[jsusc]

Support it, rally your friends.
Be honest about it.
Don't support those who would bypass the law to get what they want.

I would personally prefer a separation between left and right...two different countries. But that isn't going to happen, so a constitutional convention would be the next best thing. Clear up vague aspects of it. Like, if we're going to continue to have a 2nd amendment, clear up the militia thing once and for all, and be more specific about which arms can be had. Clear up whether the 25th amendment only means in cases of health or not. Things like that.

 

[jsusc]

Really I seem to remember a lot of people from the left calling trump hitler.

He would've liked to be Hitler, but like I said, he couldn't get away with that. There were too many checks on that.

 

[jsusc]

Meaning you want to change it to only agree with the way half the people in this country feel. Sounds divisive. We tried that one time and it ended in a civil war.

Half? I think the past few presidential elections, and the 2020 congressional elections show that the nation is more left leaning than right leaning.

 

[jsusc]

Meaning you want to change it to only agree with the way half the people in this country feel. Sounds divisive. We tried that one time and it ended in a civil war.

And I know all about the Civil War. It's where conservative traitors attempted to eliminate the United States because they wanted to keep owning black people.

 

[WingchunCock]

And I know all about the Civil War. It's where conservative traitors attempted to eliminate the United States because they wanted to keep owning black people.

No, it was Democrat traitors.

 

[ghostofpepsicock]

And I know all about the Civil War. It's where conservative traitors attempted to eliminate the United States because they wanted to keep owning black people.

You need to learn some history so you don’t show your ignorance...democrats fought to keep their slaves...

 

[Lurker123]

Half? I think the past few presidential elections, and the 2020 congressional elections show that the nation is more left leaning than right leaning.

Voting public isnt the public though. And even if it was, you're talking a few percentage points from half.

 

[Lurker123]

He would've liked to be Hitler, but like I said, he couldn't get away with that. There were too many checks on that.

He would've? I seriously doubt that.

But yes, there are too many checks in todays america. We can fix that though, with a few years of a one party country.

 

[jsusc]

No, it was Democrat traitors.

You need to learn some history so you don’t show your ignorance...democrats fought to keep their slaves...

Parties switched. Everybody knows that, even if some won't admit it.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

And I know all about the Civil War. It's where conservative traitors attempted to eliminate the United States because they wanted to keep owning black people.

Lincoln was a Republican.

 

[jsusc]

Voting public isnt the public though. And even if it was, you're talking a few percentage points from half.

That's another reason why we need to separate. Then when the failed right comes crawling back, they have to agree to live by civilized rules.

 

[jsusc]

Lincoln was a Republican.

I know. He disliked black people.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

That's another reason why we need to separate. Then when the failed right comes crawling back, they have to agree to live by civilized rules.

LOL. I guess that's why blue states are the ones needing huge bailouts from the COVID relief package.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

I know. He disliked black people.

Democrats still had a former klan member in Congress in 2010.

 

[Silver_Coconut]

That's another reason why we need to separate. Then when the failed right comes crawling back, they have to agree to live by civilized rules.

Well buddy it’s already been tried. See the Soviet Union, Communist China, Venezuela, Cuba, Laos. Good luck!!