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Dawn being Dawn at ESPYs

You don't have to agree with me. You just have to quit making false and irrational statements.

You're welcome to think school shootings are acceptable behavior, but you can't say stricter gun laws wouldn't limit the number of school shootings. The first is just an opinion that makes you a bad person but isn't per se wrong. The second is just plain wrong.

Again, please show where I ever said school shootings were acceptable.

A link? A post number?

Because if you can't, and we all know you can't, you just cement the fact that you're a liar. You can't make a coherent argument so you have to make up sh!t instead of addressing what other people actually say. And you actually whine about false and irrational statements? Lmao

Once again, proving you a worthless person, and a worthless troll.

Your dad was right about you.

Dawn being Dawn at ESPYs

Thanks Confucius. The difference between you and most every other poster on this site is that you never provide any content outside of the troll.

I provide plenty of content. It's why posters like @Lurker123 can't actually debate the merit of the argument. He has to run to this weird attack on single moms. It's also why you just call it trolling so you don't have to admit you were wrong.

Dawn being Dawn at ESPYs

Yeah, no one else wants the world to be a better place unless they completely agree with everything you say.

You don't have to agree with me. You just have to quit making false and irrational statements.

You're welcome to think school shootings are acceptable behavior, but you can't say stricter gun laws wouldn't limit the number of school shootings. The first is just an opinion that makes you a bad person but isn't per se wrong. The second is just plain wrong.

Dawn being Dawn at ESPYs

I'm not here to question what's in your heart, Watson.

However, it's very self-evident that you're also here to scratch a chronic, painful itch deep in your soul.

I think it's pretty obvious this is something you tell yourself instead of having to admit you're wrong about things.

Admitting you're wrong is one of the hardest things to do. It's also why people who skew republican aren't as successful in academia because they lack the ability do it. People who excel at questioning their own beliefs tend to skew liberal.

Dawn being Dawn at ESPYs

Okay, so you've chosen your standard, make up sh!t, then move to insult stage.

Before I continue though, I should point out that this attention you so desperately crave by trolling message boards will never be a replacement for the attention you lost when your father abandoned you. You should work towards coming to terms with that.

I like how this has become your new defense mechanism when you're proven wrong.

I want the world to be a better place. It's unfortunate you don't share the same desire.

Dawn being Dawn at ESPYs

No, I was mocking you because you didn't see the big picture. Of course I know you don't want to legalize drugs. It's the very fact you don't want to legalize drugs that made your comment about drug laws irrelevant.

It's unfortunate you don't understand how logic works. A rational person would be like, "Oh I now see why my point was moot." Instead you just want to argue and refuse to change your incorrect beliefs.




Except every western country similar ot the US that's banned guns has indeed seen a significant decrease in gun violence. So you're arguing something that's completely unsupported.

Maybe it's just time to own you're the one that struggles with complex matters.

Okay, so you've chosen your standard, make up sh!t, then move to insult stage.

Before I continue though, I should point out that this attention you so desperately crave by trolling message boards will never be a replacement for the attention you lost when your father abandoned you. You should work towards coming to terms with that.


It's the very fact you don't want to legalize drugs that made your comment about drug laws irrelevant.

It's unfortunate you don't understand how logic works.

It's amazing that you can put those two sentences next to each other and still pretend to have a point.

Dawn being Dawn at ESPYs

OR, a simpler explanation is that people make statements and you wish to argue things they didn't say. So you ASSUME they meant something else and start arguing that point. (Perhaps the connections between what people said and your "logical" leaps to what you think they meant aren't as solid as you think)

I never suggested we should legalize drugs, that was you reading what you wanted to read in my statement.

No, I was mocking you because you didn't see the big picture. Of course I know you don't want to legalize drugs. It's the very fact you don't want to legalize drugs that made your comment about drug laws irrelevant.

It's unfortunate you don't understand how logic works. A rational person would be like, "Oh I now see why my point was moot." Instead you just want to argue and refuse to change your incorrect beliefs.


I would suggest that, like drugs, stiffer gun laws would do a very good job of reducing the use by law abiding citizens, but not so much by people who are going to break the law regardless.

Except every western country similar ot the US that's banned guns has indeed seen a significant decrease in gun violence. So you're arguing something that's completely unsupported.

Maybe it's just time to own you're the one that struggles with complex matters.

Dawn being Dawn at ESPYs

This is the problem you don't understand when you make arguments that they have larger implications. It's the equivalent of saying, "I just pulled a trigger." Yeah, but when you pulled the trigger a chain reaction occurred and you don't get to pretend you didn't shoot the bullet. But logic mistake is what you do, over and over again. "Show me where I shot the bullet!!! I just pulled the trigger!!!!'

You're trying to argue gun laws won't work because people still do drugs with existing drug laws. However, fewer people do drugs because of drug laws than if they were legal like in the case of guns.

The same way with more stringent gun laws people will still illegally possess guns, but at a much lower instance than in the present. Most reasonable people would consider that fewer gun crimes would be a good thing.

OR, a simpler explanation is that people make statements and you wish to argue things they didn't say. So you ASSUME they meant something else and start arguing that point. (Perhaps the connections between what people said and your "logical" leaps to what you think they meant aren't as solid as you think)

I never suggested we should legalize drugs, that was you reading what you wanted to read in my statement.

I would suggest that, like drugs, stiffer gun laws would do a very good job of reducing the use by law abiding citizens, but not so much by people who are going to break the law regardless.

I understand you can't really think along lines more complicated than "guns bad, ban all guns, then no more guns". I also understand that it doesn't matter what I or anyone else types, you'll pick something to melt down over whether it was actually said or not.

Then it'll be a few post of insults with you repeating "cognitive dissonance" or "bad faith" as if that helps your tirade, and then we move on with any sensible discussion of the topic being impossible.

Should we skip ahead or do you want to go through your regular playbook again?

Dawn being Dawn at ESPYs

Can you point to where I said anything resembling that?

This is the problem you don't understand when you make arguments that they have larger implications. It's the equivalent of saying, "I just pulled a trigger." Yeah, but when you pulled the trigger a chain reaction occurred and you don't get to pretend you didn't shoot the bullet. But logic mistake is what you do, over and over again. "Show me where I shot the bullet!!! I just pulled the trigger!!!!'

You're trying to argue gun laws won't work because people still do drugs with existing drug laws. However, fewer people do drugs because of drug laws than if they were legal like in the case of guns.

The same way with more stringent gun laws people will still illegally possess guns, but at a much lower instance than in the present. Most reasonable people would consider that fewer gun crimes would be a good thing.

Dawn being Dawn at ESPYs

One could point out that an easy solution to our drug problem would be to simply ban them. That should end the drug problem, right?

We just need a law or two to clean up that problem?

Interesting. So you're one of the people who believes we should just legalize drugs and usage would go down?

Or is this a bad faith attempt to ignore the reality that drugs and guns are different products with different demands.

Dawn being Dawn at ESPYs

The problem with "passing Laws" to keep normal citizens from owning certain "Guns" or "Accessories" is, the LAW BREAKERS have them and could not care less there are "LAWS" against them!! Do you honestly think the Cartel, Gangs and Crooks are gonna just Hand Over their guns?? LOL

No. But if there are fewer guns manufactured there are fewer guns they can use to replace their guns that get confiscated by the police.

Dawn being Dawn at ESPYs

The problem with "passing Laws" to keep normal citizens from owning certain "Guns" or "Accessories" is, the LAW BREAKERS have them and could not care less there are "LAWS" against them!! Do you honestly think the Cartel, Gangs and Crooks are gonna just Hand Over their guns?? LOL

One could point out that an easy solution to our drug problem would be to simply ban them. That should end the drug problem, right?

We just need a law or two to clean up that problem?
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Dawn being Dawn at ESPYs

I don't like a bunch of guns on our streets either. However, the genie is out of the bottle. Work around the edges and stop the high powered stuff is the best we can do at this point.

Aside from that, why not impose real Law & Order on the streets of our cities and see what happens? Look at what Desantis has done in places like Miami. Look at El Salvador, Argentina, etc. They brought in serious people to run their governments and turned those places around very quickly. Stop kicking criminals back onto the streets.
The problem with "passing Laws" to keep normal citizens from owning certain "Guns" or "Accessories" is, the LAW BREAKERS have them and could not care less there are "LAWS" against them!! Do you honestly think the Cartel, Gangs and Crooks are gonna just Hand Over their guns?? LOL
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