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I think it would have been great to be in the SEC for Clemson at the time. But when the playoffs started, belonging in a certain conference is now obsolete. As long as you are in a power 5 and you take care of yourself you will have a seat at the table. I think the stranglehold that the SEC supposedly had over recruits will diminish as well. The ACC champion will more than likely always find a spot in the playoffs. I think Clemson is more than fine with that.
Strength of schedule plays a big part in rankings and it probably always will. Your schedule is determined by your conference. SO IT DOES MATTER! So if you ask someone in Ghana or TaiPai if No Name Team #1 plays Wake Forest, Virginia, Boston College, NC State, Georgia Tech and Duke while No Name Team #2 plays LSU, Kentucky, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Georgia and Tennessee, which No Name Team should be ranked higher, what will they say? After careful research on the internet as to a 10-year history of these teams, there is no doubt anyone in Ghana or TaiPai will choose No Name Team #2. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE CLEMSON TEAM; IT IS ABOUT HOW RANKINGS ARE DETERMINED.
 
They are good.

Alabama will be by far the best team they have played though.

Whereas Clemson will not be by far the best team Alabama has played.

In spite of bowl losses...FSU, Notre Dame and even NC were pretty good. Louisville was decent as well, and their bowl opponent, OU, was really good, although I did think a bit over rated.

Alabama did indeed lose to a good Mississippi team. And they beat several teams similar to the NCs and FSUs...namely LSU, Miss State, Wisconsin, Tennessee, Florida, Georgia...and even TX AM. Michigan State was also really good, but matchup crushed them and Alabama played really well, making MSU look mediocre. Hell, even Arkansas and Auburn had players...and mid to lower level SEC teams are simply stronger than similar ACC teams.

Clemson can win...but this is a more major step up.
So if Clemson isn't the best team Alabama has played then who is?
 
Strength of schedule plays a big part in rankings and it probably always will. Your schedule is determined by your conference. SO IT DOES MATTER! So if you ask someone in Ghana or TaiPai if No Name Team #1 plays Wake Forest, Virginia, Boston College, NC State, Georgia Tech and Duke while No Name Team #2 plays LSU, Kentucky, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Georgia and Tennessee, which No Name Team should be ranked higher, what will they say? After careful research on the internet as to a 10-year history of these teams, there is no doubt anyone in Ghana or TaiPai will choose No Name Team #2. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE CLEMSON TEAM; IT IS ABOUT HOW RANKINGS ARE DETERMINED.
Kentucky is a tough opponent? Are you serious? And it isn't Strength of Schedule only that determines rankings. It's how you do against your schedule too.

So if Ole Miss plays a supposedly tougher schedule than Clemson according to computer numbers but has 3 losses, should they be ranked ahead of an undefeated Clemson team. Couple with that, to even suggest that Ole Miss is a better team than Clemson is based on nothing other than subjectivity.
 
If the SEC is so bad why were Clemson fans begging to join when all the conference re-alignment was happening? Why'd you want to go to the Big 12 and get out of the ACC? You taters were begging to get out of it! How do you not remember that?

Maybe, because it didn't happen.
 
Kentucky is a tough opponent? Are you serious? And it isn't Strength of Schedule only that determines rankings. It's how you do against your schedule too.

So if Ole Miss plays a supposedly tougher schedule than Clemson according to computer numbers but has 3 losses, should they be ranked ahead of an undefeated Clemson team. Couple with that, to even suggest that Ole Miss is a better team than Clemson is based on nothing other than subjectivity.

Are you totally incapable of thinking about anything except Clemson. NO ONE MENTIONED YOUR OBSESSION IN THE ABOVE POST. One of your breed said conferences do not matter. They do whether you like it or not; that is the NCAA rule. The post above did not mention your obsession OR where they should be ranked. Go see one of the suppliers for your 3 players and get some chill pills or little shredded leaves.
 
Strength of schedule plays a big part in rankings and it probably always will. Your schedule is determined by your conference. SO IT DOES MATTER! So if you ask someone in Ghana or TaiPai if No Name Team #1 plays Wake Forest, Virginia, Boston College, NC State, Georgia Tech and Duke while No Name Team #2 plays LSU, Kentucky, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Georgia and Tennessee, which No Name Team should be ranked higher, what will they say? After careful research on the internet as to a 10-year history of these teams, there is no doubt anyone in Ghana or TaiPai will choose No Name Team #2. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE CLEMSON TEAM; IT IS ABOUT HOW RANKINGS ARE DETERMINED.
So Clemson hasn't been ranked NUMBER 1 since the rankings were released? You are making my point!
 
I don't understand the we are in the "sec" argument that you guys make. Believe me you guys would be way better off in another conference. Believe me, when it comes to football, the SEC would be better off with you guys not in it. You've yet to do anything in all the years you have been in it. You've yet to win a championship and it seems highly unlikely you ever will. This year you will be ahead of only Vandy when it comes to recruiting. It's a curse for you guys and you are to dumb to see it. Alabama winning a National Championship means you've still accomplished nothing. They get stronger and you stay the same. Maybe being in the SEC is keeping you back. Texas A and M and Missouri both dominated when they first came in. I mean right out the gate. Now they are struggling. Maybe the SEC is not the place to be. I know it's not for SC. Clemson has been in the ACC forever. Dabo and Jimbo can't take their staffs and coach all the other teams. It is what it is, but nobody should apologize for the conference they are in...... Except for SC!
You could have stopped at the "I don't understand" and your post would have made a better point. Spurs Up
 
florida was a great team this year when they had their starting quarterback. when florida lost him, they weren't the same team. sure fsu beat florida. and good for you. but to pretend it was the same team that won all the games to win the eastern division is deluding yourself.

here is the fact, we beat the coastal champion. we lost to the acc champion by 5. the acc is a two bit conference, and everybody knows it.
And you lost to The Citadel. I guess that makes The Citadel ACC Coastal Champions?
Are you totally incapable of thinking about anything except Clemson. NO ONE MENTIONED YOUR OBSESSION IN THE ABOVE POST. One of your breed said conferences do not matter. They do whether you like it or not; that is the NCAA rule. The post above did not mention your obsession OR where they should be ranked. Go see one of the suppliers for your 3 players and get some chill pills or little shredded leaves.
You're making my point for me. Your post said nothing about the record of the team. Only about who they have played. Your post only mentioned two teams and their opponents and said nothing else is terms of your record or even whether the teams win those game. Of course most people would agree that the SEC is the stronger conference than the ACC. But despite that, does your record not count? Are people supposed to take an Undefeated Clemson team and say "Yeah Alabama lost to 3 loss Ole Miss at home but we believe they should be ranked ahead of Clemson and we think that because they are in the SEC and Clemson is not?"

Like I said, it isn't who you play. It's who you play and what your record is against who you played.
 
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And you lost to The Citadel. I guess that makes The Citadel ACC Coastal Champions?

You're making my point for me. Your post said nothing about the record of the team. Only about who they have played. Of course most people would agree that the SEC is the stronger conference than the ACC. But despite that, does your record not count? Are people supposed to take an Undefeated Clemson team and say "Yeah Alabama lost to 3 loss Ole Miss at home but we believe they should be ranked ahead of Clemson and we think that because they are in the SEC and Clemson is not?"

Like I said, it isn't who you play. It's who you play and what your record is against who you played.
Exactly but The poster said conferences do not matter. Conferences determine schedule. Schedule and record against the schedule determine ranking. FORGET CLEMSON!!! I NEVER SAID OLE MISS SHOULD BE RANKED AHEAD OF THEM BUT YOU ARE LIVING IN DISNEY WORLD IF YOU BELIEVE THE COMPOSITE ACC IS A BETTER FOOTBALL CONFERENCE THAN THE SEC. AGAIN TRY TO BE OBJECTIVE AND TAKE CLEMSON OUT OF THE MIX. GO LOOK AT THE ACC RECORD IN BOWLS THIS YEAR. Think about whether UNC should be ranked ahead of Ole Miss or whether Louisville is better than LSU. The world does not revolve around CU.
 
Exactly but The poster said conferences do not matter. Conferences determine schedule. Schedule and record against the schedule determine ranking. FORGET CLEMSON!!! I NEVER SAID OLE MISS SHOULD BE RANKED AHEAD OF THEM BUT YOU ARE LIVING IN DISNEY WORLD IF YOU BELIEVE THE COMPOSITE ACC IS A BETTER FOOTBALL CONFERENCE THAN THE SEC. AGAIN TRY TO BE OBJECTIVE AND TAKE CLEMSON OUT OF THE MIX. GO LOOK AT THE ACC RECORD IN BOWLS THIS YEAR. Think about whether UNC should be ranked ahead of Ole Miss or whether Louisville is better than LSU. The world does not revolve around CU.
Are we really going to say the SEC gets the shaft in the rankings? The SEC had 10 teams in the AP Top 25 poll in Week 3. That was right before Bret Bielema spouted off about Ohio State's schedule and how his Arkansas team had 8 ranked teams on its schedule. His Arkansas team proceeded to lose to Toledo and Texas Tech in successive weeks.

Face it. The SEC gets more than the benefit of the doubt in the rankings and polls with both the voters and the Selection committee. In some cases justifiably so and in some cases not justifiably so.
 
The truth is the 4 teams picked for the playoffs weren't the 4 best teams in the country. Alabama and Clemson(as hard as it is to say it) should have been there. Michigan State and Oklahoma had no business in the playoffs. There were several teams that were better than them but they won their conferences so what can you do?
 
Seriously are yall going to piss in the wind for another week and a half? The ACC, FSU, ND or OU this that and the other doesn't matter. Clearly the 2 best teams are playing for the NC.
 
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Hey man, it's what you guys beat your chest about. Being an historical doormat in the mighty SEC. Who could understand that?
"historical doormat" this is the first year since 1999 that SC finished last in the SEC. Since 2009 SC is in the top 18 in the country in wins and is 5-2 against Clemson. If all your intention here is to spit out insults with no facts just to get responses then you got my 2 cents. Troll on troll, enjoy your funny stay here on our board. Spurs Up/Roll Tide
 
I hope you guys don't take this wrong. Clemson is one of our Rivals too. But good grief, I understand not wanting your Rival to win, but it's another thing to spin delusional comments like what I am seeing here.

The bottom line is Clemson is 14-0. Everyone thought Oklahoma would beat them to prove Clemson didn't deserve to be there including many on this board. They didn't. Clemson won by 20. Now people are still trying to spin it that Clemson didn't deserve to be there or Clemson isn't really that good or pointing to Bowl results to spin that Clemson's strength of schedule is weak.

Ole Miss lost to Memphis. Arkansas lost to Toledo. Auburn only beat Jacksonville State (an FCS School) by 7 points in OT. Texas A&M lost to Louisville. That is half of Bama's SEC schedule right there.

You are pointing to FSU's loss to Houston as proof that Clemson plays a weak schedule? Well, then what does that say about Florida and the entire SEC East? To me it is proof of the fact that Houston is a damn good team and they'd probably whip the majority of the teams in the SEC. They whipped Vanderbilt 34-0. That is a highest margin of victory against Vandy than any SEC team Vandy lost too.

Just admit that Clemson is a good team and give credit where credit is due. Just because they are a rival doesn't mean you can't do that.
I haven't ever given them this much credit, and I've only been on this board for a short time, but every time you mention the term Clemson and anything positive comes out of your keyboard, you get called a tater. That's just the way it is here.
 
Who here would not trade roads to the playoffs with Clemson in a second? If at the snap of a finger, Clemson could join the SEC and we could take their spot in the ACC (especially with our basketball program right now) I would in a second. THEY HAVE IT MADE -- play 2-3 tough games a year, and cruise to 10+ wins... always competing for championships and they now have a shot at the playoffs every single season. Our schedule will always be filled with not necessarily powerhouse teams, but it will always be just physically tougher on our players to go undefeated or even 11-1 and have a shot at the playoff than it will be for Clemson. That's just the way the SEC is.
 
"historical doormat" this is the first year since 1999 that SC finished last in the SEC. Since 2009 SC is in the top 18 in the country in wins and is 5-2 against Clemson. If all your intention here is to spit out insults with no facts just to get responses then you got my 2 cents. Troll on troll, enjoy your funny stay here on our board. Spurs Up/Roll Tide
Really? Overall you have one of the worst records in the SEC and yes you are a doormat.
 
You also lost to the Citadel . The whole bunch in this thread are laughable. The age old conference is always the last grasp of a bottom feeder 2-9 team ,staring straight at 5-7 2016 season.Which ACC team does South Carolina have a winning record against ? Any ?
It's true that we lost to the Citadel and just a scant week later lost to CU by 5 - with a walk-on QB and w/o our starting RB for most of the game - and what has winning the acc gotten any team other than FSU? The only reason CU got to play in the Major Bowls was due to the 2 team limit - I've said it before - if CU beats AL then I'll be impressed, but I'm sure CU would not go undefeated in an 8 game SEC schedule - even the great teams in the SEC rarely do that.
 
Florida was way over rated, all year. They were lucky against Tennessee and then beat LSU who we all thought was great at the time. But don't kid yourself, the SEC except for two games has done well in the bowl match ups. Bama player 13 teams with winning records. Clemson played 7. 4 of Clemson's games were against teams finishing 3-9. Granted, the best teams are in the West, this year. But make no mistake, the SEC is a bunch tougher venue than the ACC. Clemson beat an LSU team who would have rather been somewhere else. The same Clemson team who lost not a close game to SC, and followed with a win over Georgia and Auburn who had a losing record. Just listening to Dabo bragging, that's right bragging, about beating 3 SEC teams, should tell you something.

You might think Houston is great but they did get beat by Temple. Face it, Clemson played a 2 game schedule. Had they been in the SEC they would not be undefeated! But they still deserve to be in the playoffs.
 
You have a winning record against 3 SEC teams. Kentucky, Vanderbilt and Miss State. You guys think your history began in 2009 and you conveniently erase the rest of your history. It's not a troll if it's the truth.
 
SEC is about to be 7-2 in bowl games with 1 to go. SEC East that some think is so weak is 7-2 in their last 9 bowl games. I had guest over watching the Arkansas game 2 of them were Clemson fans and they said "LifeLongfan81 must be the "doormat" of their fan base". lol Spurs Up
 
Conference homers. Clemson stands on it's own. What conference they play in is irrelevant at this point. Oklahoma was supposed to kill them according to the vast majority of this board...oops.
You are right and if you beat Bama, you deserve to be # 1. If you lose, I think you drop to number 6.
 
What the hell are you gaining from being here? We're well aware we aren't great right now. If you're bored with tigernet go check out Bama's board and talk s***
Way to go, 5points! I'm sure that was difficult for you to chastise your fellow clemsux fan (or is that one of your other scrennames?). It helps with the facade though. At least you were able to remind everyone "we know we aren't great right now." Great jab at Carolina. LMAO.
 
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Who here would not trade roads to the playoffs with Clemson in a second? If at the snap of a finger, Clemson could join the SEC and we could take their spot in the ACC (especially with our basketball program right now) I would in a second. THEY HAVE IT MADE -- play 2-3 tough games a year, and cruise to 10+ wins... always competing for championships and they now have a shot at the playoffs every single season. Our schedule will always be filled with not necessarily powerhouse teams, but it will always be just physically tougher on our players to go undefeated or even 11-1 and have a shot at the playoff than it will be for Clemson. That's just the way the SEC is.
 
SEC is about to be 7-2 in bowl games with 1 to go. SEC East that some think is so weak is 7-2 in their last 9 bowl games. I had guest over watching the Arkansas game 2 of them were Clemson fans and they said "LifeLongfan81 must be the "doormat" of their fan base". lol Spurs Up
I've never said that the sec was a bad conference. I simply pointed out that SC has never done anything in the SEC. I could not care any less what you are your friends think about this life long fan. It's been fun and free. I simply gave realistic views opposite some of the delusional fans over here. I've never said anything out of line and mostly backed my views with facts. I never started a thread and have just as much right to be here as anyone else. (Until ole Beckham kicks me out)If people have a problem, then they don't have to read it or can go over to the insiders forum. I'm sure the people that run the site would appreciate the revenue. I'm sure this handle will be blacklisted shortly so I will leave it to you guys. See yall another day with a different name.
 
I've never said that the sec was a bad conference. I simply pointed out that SC has never done anything in the SEC. I could not care any less what you are your friends think about this life long fan. It's been fun and free. I simply gave realistic views opposite some of the delusional fans over here. I've never said anything out of line and mostly backed my views with facts. I never started a thread and have just as much right to be here as anyone else. (Until ole Beckham kicks me out)If people have a problem, then they don't have to read it or can go over to the insiders forum. I'm sure the people that run the site would appreciate the revenue. I'm sure this handle will be blacklisted shortly so I will leave it to you guys. See yall another day with a different name.
Yeah, keep creating new names. You're really doing something, dude! You da man!!! Loser.
 
After Alabama crushes the bell cow this year for the pitiful ACC, this will put a huge dose of reality into all the FSU and Clemson trolls on this board and shut them up. The bottom teams in the SEC are there because they had to play the top teams in the SEC. The bottom teams in the SEC would do quite well this past season if the had an ACC schedule.
 
I've never said that the sec was a bad conference. I simply pointed out that SC has never done anything in the SEC. I could not care any less what you are your friends think about this life long fan. It's been fun and free. I simply gave realistic views opposite some of the delusional fans over here. I've never said anything out of line and mostly backed my views with facts. I never started a thread and have just as much right to be here as anyone else. (Until ole Beckham kicks me out)If people have a problem, then they don't have to read it or can go over to the insiders forum. I'm sure the people that run the site would appreciate the revenue. I'm sure this handle will be blacklisted shortly so I will leave it to you guys. See yall another day with a different name.
I love you being here, the more you post the more you bring down the Clemson fan base. It's been 34 years since your team has done anything and that one should have an * followed by placed on 3 years NCAA probation. Please don't go, keep doing what you do. This is fun. Spurs Up
 
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Spurs-up means the rooster is dead, right? Feet in the air equals "Spurs-up"......you guys crack us Tigers up! I do however think your conference is better than ours....even after we beat your beloved Alabama!
 
The question was not on the Clemson ranking or that they are a good team. The question is about the ACC which has lost most of its bowl games against other conferences and about the elevated rankings of UNC, etc based on their schedule against weak ACC teams.

Probably should not ever question any teams conference strength or record(s)when you lose to The Citadel at home for the second time. Just saying!
 
Spurs-up means the rooster is dead, right? Feet in the air equals "Spurs-up"......you guys crack us Tigers up! I do however think your conference is better than ours....even after we beat your beloved Alabama!
Kind of like when Clemson does the "wooh whoo ahoo whoo" playing the rag total country rednecks. Makes me laugh every time. Spurs Up
 
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