ACC strength of schedule and rankings
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FSU may have beat Florida the SEC East champ but South Carolina beat UNC, the ACC Coastal champ and we sucked!
Nice try, SpursUp means you're about to get attacked. You'll find out soon enough. Beat AL and then you can talk.
2009 was 7 seasons ago. How much farther do you want us to go back? I mean really, college football is about what have you done for me lately. .. and you know it. You're just trying to delegitimize our recent history. The fact is we are a top 25 program overall the past 6 seasons. In fact we finished a few seasons in the top 10.
Ok finally we agree. What have you done lately? Hmmmmmm 7-6 and 3-9. Now you are worse off than you were prior to 2009.
You beat them at the beginning of the year. FS beat Florida the last game of the year. NC would have beaten SC by 2 scores if they played again in Charlotte. UNC got better as the year went on and Carolina got worse
Dont forget the #4 finish the year before your arbitrarily picked seasons. Regardless. We're a top 20 program this decade, regardless of how you try to dance around that. It's honestly funny watching ypu attempt to forget 5 in a row. 3 top 10 and one top 5 finish in the past 6 years.
You can't be serious that ole miss or Stanford should be in the national title game over Clemson! It sucks that they are there but they earned it. Ole miss had their chance to earn it and lost by 28 points to Florida!!!! No one that loses by 4 TDs to anyone should be playing for a title to be the best in the nation!! Even if we give them a bye on a 28 point loss, they followed it up by losing to a non power 5 team by 2 TDs and another loss to a 5 loss Arkansas.
Stanford had their chance as well and lost twice to a so so northwestern and Oregon team.
Also want to say everyone wanting the playoff to be formed by perception because they want to literally find anyway they can to try to convince themselves Clemson just isn't good is asking for us to never get in the playoff!!! Fact is if the playoff is based by perception even if we had a magical season we wouldn't get in cause we have never been there and the perception would be the elite teams like ND, Ohio St, Oklahoma, southern cal, LSU, Alabama, Florida, etc that are a game behind us would get in over us because of perception. So be careful what you wish for!
I can play this, Fla. State beat Florida at the end of the year after the Gators lost the QB. If the Gators would have played Fla. State at the beginning of the year Florida would have won by 2 scores. Spurs Up
Or because they lose to Toledo, Memphis, Texas Tech, and The Citadel, Louisville, FSU, ect.
I've pointed out the Non-Conference games the SEC has lost this year that you conveniently leave out.
See, that's the kind of thing that is subjective with no basis in fact. This whole idea that you could take the bottom SEC teams, stick them in the ACC and they'd be in the top of the ACC is non-sense. Kentucky is a perfect example.
Going into the Louisville game Kentucky was 5-6 as an SEC team, Louisville was 6-5 as an ACC team and Kentucky had the game at Home. Kentucky also happened to have beaten South Carolina this season. All Kentucky had do to make a Bowl was beat their Rival Louisville at home who was sitting at 6-5. They lost by 2 TDs. So give me a break about this Vandy and Kentucky are only bottom of the SEC because they play the top of the SEC non-sense.
So is the acc better than the sec? Simple question. Most publications rate the ACC as the 5th best power 5 conference. Are they wrong? The ACC has 2 good teams and maybe 2 more decent teams. But cor the most part its trash.
I've stated this before. Had SC been in the ACC over the past 6 years, we'd have 3 conference titles minimum and at least played in the national title game once
That is the kind of thing I am talking about. Your only chance would have been in 2011 when you beat Clemson and Clemson won the ACC.
You wouldn't have won it in 2010. Why? Because FSU beat you in the Chick Fil A Bowl and we were runner up in the ACC.
You wouldn't have won it in 2012. Why? Because FSU won the ACC and I don't think you would have beaten us that year. You certainly wouldn't have won it in 2013. Why? Because FSU had Jameis Winston, was a juggernaught and won the National Championship with an undefeated team loaded with NFL Draft Picks. And I don't need to say anything about 2014 and 2015.
This is the kind of comments that drives fans of conferences other than the SEC crazy. The SEC is a good conference. But the SEC doesn't have the only good Football teams in country.
The ACC is not better than the SEC. But it's not so much worse that you can take the worst of the SEC and plug them in the ACC and they would be the best in the ACC.
lolzzz @ "favourable match ups". FSU got the non-Power 5 team in the New Year's 6. Shoulda been a give me for the ACC.
Of course, Clemson can beat Bama. But it's hard to shake them only beating us by 5. If Clemson is truly the best team in the nation, then I guess we're not as down as I think we are.
Everyone with a brain knows that the SEC is a better football conference, but if I could swap places with Clemson and magically be in the ACC and they could be in the SEC, I would in a second. They play 2-3 tough games a year in football and cruise to 10+ wins as long as they beat everyone that they are supposed to beat. Not to mention our basketball program is on the rise and it would do us a great service to be in a basketball conference. We're obviously in a far better conference for football, but it isn't like being here is doing us any kind of service under the new CFB playoff system. Let's be real here...
This is my rebuttal to the Dabo Cultist Life Long Fan 81. To quote "you guys do not belong in the SEC, you have never won the conference championship and only out recruit Vandy. Well sir, you have your nose poked so far up Swinney,s rear you really don't realize to much of anything. Since we became members of the SEC, Clemson has won only two ACC championships and Dabo's first was a year we trounced him. You guys need to leave the ACC. You are the proud owners of the longest losing streak in the history of collegiate athletics having never won a basketball game in Chapel hill (59) years, and never come close to winning a conference championship. Being a member of a conference means being able to compete in all sports, we do in the SEC, you don't in the pitiful ACC. Holtz was our first real attempt to be competitive in football, next came Spurrier who took us to a higher level and now we have Will Muschamp with an all star cast of recruiters and 10 recruiting support people. Our goal is to win championships including football. With the resources and people we now have in place, no reason why we won't. To think we can't compete in the SEC isn't realistic and to think we cannot compete with Clemson University is in the minds like Fan 81 only. For sure, we are the huge stone in the Tigers path to the playoffs in the years to come. Start getting used to the beatd downs again.
I made this point prior to the implementation of the new system, so as much as I would love to say "I told everyone so", the truth is Clemson and Bama would have met under the BCS system. Regardless, I would never want out of the SEC. And since we're being real, Clemson and FSU would join in a skinny minute, if offered.
You joined to post this crap?
Right 2 years NCAA , the worst sanctions ever in the history of the NCAA. The violations were so severe, even the pitiful a c c added another year, so it's 3 years total for clemsux probation.
Not quite. Not the worst sanctions ever. And not 3 years even if you add in the additional ACC sanction Sorry to have to correct you, but I was there.
Two years, Nov 82 to Nov 84 (yes, that is 2 years, not 3). The ACC added a bowl game to the end of that period.
It's 3 total years if you add in the one-year probation in 1990. Here's a good reference for you to see all the football programs that have been on probation:
http://www.footballgeography.com/college-football-fbs-and-ncaa-probation/
Sorry to correct you, but until clemsux was found cheating, the most scholarships penalized were 10. The NCAA (for the first time) stripped clemsux of 20 scholarships. This is because of the number and severity of the violations found at clemsux. There were what, over 150 violations? So many the NCAA stopped counting.
Here's a good reference for you: http://www.nytimes.com/1982/11/23/sports/severe-sanctions-levied-on-clemson.html
Did you see the crowd for the FSU/Clemson basketball game yesterday? Did you even know they played?
FSU and Clemson are football schools in a basketball conference. So, like I said, regardless of the current system they would join the best football conference, if given the chance. I think both programs believe they could compete in the SEC and would welcome the opportunity.
You're acting like i said we'd had one it every year. I said, IMO, we'd win 3. That 2013 FSU team wasn't greatest team in the world. Certainly was beatable if we played you guys at home. You using a close loss to Fsu in a bowl game to indicate who would win a conference is silly. Keep in mind we were winning 11 games in the sec. I would much rather play a road game at wake or syracuse than Tennessee or Kentucky. The fact that you're outright denying us a chance to win the worst conference in an era where we were won of the best 3 teams in the best conference is insane.
Sounds good in theory, but that hasn't been the case. FSU, last year, and Clemson, this year, would have been in the BCS title game since there have been no other undefeated Power 5 teams the last two seasons. Had either had a loss, they would not have made the CFB playoff. The same could be said for UNC this season had they won the ACC title game.
After this NFL Draft, that 2013 FSU team will in all likelihood have had 19 of 22 starters drafted in the NFL Draft. Everybody is beatable but that team's average margin of victory was 41 points per game. We beat Clemson on the road 51-14. South Carolina beat Clemson 31-17 at home and that was with Clemson turning the ball over 6 times to 0 for South Carolina. In our game vs Clemson we only won the turnover battle 4-1. Point is you could have beaten us because you still have to play the game. But our 2013 team would have been a heavy favorite over your 2013 team.
Your 2012 team was pretty good too. We had two common opponents: Clemson and UF. We beat Clemson 49-37, at home, you beat Clemson 27-17 on the road. You lost to UF 44-11 on the road and we lost to UF 37-26 at Home. Can't draw a whole lot of conclusions from that.
Keep in mind, to win the ACC you must: 1) Win your division. You guys probably could have won the Coastal Division any of those years which then means you would have had to beat FSU in the Title game in 2010, 2012, 2013 and 2014 and Clemson in 2011 which you were able to do. 2) If you were in the Atlantic it all depends on whether you beat FSU. FSU lost 1 ACC game in 2012, 0 ACC games in 2013, and 0 ACC games in 2014. So essentially the head to head with FSU would determine whether you even get to play for the ACC Title if you were in the Atlantic Division.
So basically you have to ask yourself: Did our best three year run in our program's history from 2011-2013 make us a better program than FSU was during that same time frame?
I can tell you what I think about it: FSU had 29 players Drafted over a three year span from 2013-2015. That is the record for most players drafted over a three year span since the draft went to 7 rounds in 1994. Tough to beat that. That's also a big reason this was a somewhat rebuilding year for FSU.
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Yes we have winning records against 4 ACC teams, 2 we've never played and 3 others are close. Who does Clemson have a winning record against in the SEC besides USC? The answer is Missouri with a whopping 3 -1 record. Clemson has losing records against Vanderbilt and Kentucky. The 2 teams that they've played the most (besides USC) are Auburn: 13 wins , 34 losses, and Georgia 18 wins and 42 losses.
It doesn't matter which conference is better. Is the ACC better than the SEC...from Clemson's perspective, YES.
If SC is happier being in the SEC, that's great. Then everyone is happy. I know Clemson folks are happy. Clemson has played in the Orange Bowl 3 times since 2011 with a play off/NC game this year. FSU won the natty in 2013 and made the play off last year. Both FSU and Clemson are recruiting like gangbusters. So, I'd say the ACC is definitely better (for Clemson) than the SEC.
Clemson fans are happy being exactly where we are and what we've accomplished. The ACC is a Power 5 conference and is producing national champions, play off teams, NFL draft picks, etc... The ACC is putting teams in position to play for a title and that is all it needs to do. That's the only thing that matters. Whose conference is better...or this team can beat that team...means nothing.
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