Don't you think a coach needs more than two seasons before you conclude he could be described as "one who wins"? Especially since those two seasons are full of Florida Atlantics, South Carolina States, etc?
Assuming we did have a football head coaching vacancy....
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Don't you think a coach needs more than two seasons before you conclude he could be described as "one who wins"? Especially since those two seasons are full of Florida Atlantics, South Carolina States, etc?
He has taken what you refer to as his "minor Florida school" and gone 3-2 against Power 5 conference schools, losing by only 1 point on the road to one and by 8 points in a bowl game against LSU. Yet, you "like Napier" who also has two seasons and against a schedule full of Louisiana Monroes, Texas States, etc. Regardless, it's irrelevant because we don't have a vacancy.
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One wins games. The other looks like a winner but is a loser. I'lltake the one that wins on the field before the lovable loser.
Are you serious? Not if they are using real bullets. I'll have whatever you're drinking.
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I don't like Napier because of his head coaching experience. I like him because he was mentored by Saban, Dabo and McElwein. All of whom seem to love him. Heupel's one claim to a top mentor is Stoops who bonded so closely he fired him. That history has a lot more to do with my preferences than anything either has done in their extremely short head coaching careers.
Heupel has an extemely short head coaching career. It is basically five games long against decent teams. Not enough time to brand him a winner. Especially since he is 3-2 in those games.
Heupel looks like Lumpy on Leave it to Beaver. Muschamp talks a real good game, is passionate about football and all. He looks like David Boranaz in one of those military TV shows like Seal Team or Valor.
So it sounds like it's all about the looks for you.
Well, he went 65-15 in the SEC with 2 national titles, so it's hard to say it chewed him up and spit him out. No, he wouldn't be here for 10 years.
Meyer is a sure thing. A guarantee to win. We would win an SEC title with Meyer.
Yeah, he's got his baggage, but he's one of 2 or 3 coaches out there who is an absolute lock to win games.
Never forget Tanner also considered Rich Rod. If anyone ever thinks for a moment Tanner had any ability to hire a football coach always remember we ended up with Muschamp after talking to Rich Rod.
With a head start, did Tanner pull off the best coaching search in history and land his top candidates? No.
But I still don’t believe he seriously considered Rich Rod. That was a publicity stunt cooked up by him and his agent to use the USC opening to obtain more favorable terms for him in Tucson.
Muschamp was mentored by the best of that group, Saban, as well as Mack Brown. That has not turned out well. Hopefully, it will. But, it has not yet. Who a coach has been mentored by means nothing if you can't produce on the field. Muschamp has yet to produce, being fired by Florida and being on the "hot seat" here. And as said, Stoops has said he erred in firing Heupel. Dabo soured on Napier and ran him off. But, I too like Napier. When all the smoke has cleared, not only has Heupel won 85% of his games, BUT , he took a group of far less talented players and won 60% of his games against Power 5 schools and coming close to being 5-0 against them. The fact that Yahoo Sports lists him in the upper tier of young Head Coaches in the nation, speaks volumes to me and to most on this thread. But, there's no opening now. And, hopefully, Muschamp will do well enough to make that a moot point. But, if an opening does develop, none of us have confidence in Tanner to pick anyone as highly regarded as either Heupel or Napier.
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Dabo ran Napier off because their offense had stagnated. It was the right move at the time, Especially considering Morris came in and lit it up. It was the right move as every successful coach won't be equally successful in every situation.
Yes. I'd take Napier in a split second if Muschamp continues his predominantly mediocre performance. Heupel and Napier would be home run hires, in my opinion. There is a reason why they are so high on Yahoo Sports list of top young Head Coaches in the nation.
True. And I believe he and Heupel would light up the scoreboard in this era of high-powered college football offenses.
i just cant believe one of yall aint the coach or the AD. one thing is for sure, yall always think we are one hire away from greatness and can never acknowledge how the roster had to be completely replenished and then rebuilt. we should have a really good defense this year and need a couple of playmakers on offense to show up to completely change things around. gotta get the 3rd and shorts to extend drives and keep d off the field, but otherwise, who doesnt understand that these are not the same teams we played in 2011 thru 2014. sos wasnt winning 11games against the teams we are playing now. not even close. some of yall live in lala land
Why people think it is a given that Gunner is coming is beyond me. The kid has a long time to go before he has to sign and i frankly would be shocked if he actually makes it to campus. If this year is a stinker, which many if not most people expect, why would anyone be super hopeful next year. You think gunner is coming to a team where the coach is on his last leg and there is very little talent that is being coached up around him? Two 5 stars at Clemson are starting this year. We apparently can’t coach up our 5 stars.
LOL - yeah, great BOT is all you need. The head guy on the field is just an after thought, any old coach will do.
Napier was fired too. And he is not exactly coaching a football power at U-La-La. UCF is a better job by far. Heupel was also the runner-up to the Heisman as a QB in college at Oklahoma.
However, Heupel does not look like a guy who takes care of himself. He looks a little like "More Chins than Wins" Brad Scott. I think I'd pass on both of them and go after PJ Fleck hard. Maybe convince Tanner to retire and hire Coyle as AD to lure him down here. After that, I'd consider Shawn Elliott or make another run at Herman. The gloss of the Texas job has undoubtedly worn off by now. If Houston does well at ECU this year and next he should get a look.
Unless we've been sold a bill of goods on Champ's recruiting, whoever we hire is going to be just a few pieces short of a really good team. WR, RB and maybe safety and LB. The rest of it is there for the right coach.
IMHO, Jimmy Sexton, the agent, realized Tanner was hurting, and setup a match made in agent heaven. Muschamp was the SEC's guy too, and we know guys move around in the conference. It was an interesting dilemma. Satisfy the fans, everybody's agent, and/or the SEC coaching frat. So much for the fans. When he lost Herman, he was subject to the big guys pushing someone. They won.
Follow Muschamp into battle? Are you crazy?? Muschamp is full of talk and nothing to back it up. If you cannot see through the fluff, then that is disappointing.
Sexton dangled Kirby in front of Ray, and then got UGA excited. He got Kirby a bigger pay day at UGA, and then pulled Muschamp from his hip pocket and presented him to Ray who had no options at that point. Ray got played. JMO from what I can see. It is not the first time Ray has got played.
Muschamp will do well. You must be seeing something a lot of us do not. Are you clairvoyant?
I said "HOPEFULLY". I did not say he would. That's what happens when you are up at midnight reading Gamecock Central posts.
8 years as a head coach. When "will" that happen?I said "HOPEFULLY". I did not say he would. That's what happens when you are up at midnight reading Gamecock Central posts.
Hey, I'm with you guys. I have said that Muschamp has to get it done this year or else. Others have said because of our revenue shortage we are stuck with him through next season. I hope that's not true, if he has another mediocre year. We will then be in a hole. I'm NO fan of Muschamp the coach. We need an offensive-minded Head Coach in this era of high-powered college offenses. The old adage that "defense wins championships" is no longer the case. Offense does.
Understood....but with Fleck's unyielding stance against "no win" situations and his approach to taking on the bully on the block....he's just the perfect fit. I think we should promote, and believe he would like the idea of coming in and being able to put his name on TOP of a couple HOF coaches like Spurrier and Holtz, as well as near greats gone to soon (RIP Morrison) in the win column after about a decade.
I know I'm dreaming...and I understand the financial and societal climate of today's world. That's why I think he's a must have right now.....perfect time to ascend. I'm not worried about his recruiting or his ability to attract the proper players and coaches....he's shown he can do that.
I know he just re-signed....previous thread we went over that ad nauseum. I know it's mortgage the future...I think we're at that point with the football (and ultimately) the athletic program. Football drives everything, and getting the best coach in American before the other 90% of America figures it out must be priority #1.
by this logic the 1,343 assistants Saban has sent through the portal should all know how to beat him then.
It isn't all about looks, but a head coach that is an embassment rarely succeeds.
You need two vacancy's to take place first before any changes are made...
Replace Tanner and then Muschamp.... I wouldn't want to hire a football coach without an experience AD in place and they can pick out his own head coach or bring in his own head coach.... You need a strong AD to bring in a very good coach....
AD's always has a list in their desk just in case his coach leaves, dies, retires or close to retirement...
Nobody wants to hear it, but Hugh Freeze is the way to go. He would come, he is a really good coach.
People who talk about Fleck and other guys doing well in middling programs just don’t get it. Why would any of those guys come here? This is a tough job.
This is a middling program, We are not consistently inside the top 25 of teams in the nation. We are in probably the second or 3rd toughest division in all of CFB.
We are probably 8-10 spots down on the list of Schools that we recruit against in our boarder states. We win some battles for recruits, but it is tough sledding. When Miami and Auburn move into the top 10, over half of the top 10 will be in boarder states (or very close) to SC. UF, Miami, UGA, CU, Aub, and Ala.
Most neutral observers are going to have UT, UF and UGA ahead of us as far as historically good programs with better resources and higher expectations.
Whoever comes here will have a challenge. They have to have a certain desperation / willingness to take on the odds attitude. It is totally why Will came, he didn’t have any other options.
Insert Hugh Freeze.
People who talk about Fleck and other guys doing well in middling programs just don’t get it. Why would any of those guys come here? This is a tough job.
This is a middling program, We are not consistently inside the top 25 of teams in the nation. We are in probably the second or 3rd toughest division in all of CFB.
We are probably 8-10 spots down on the list of Schools that we recruit against in our boarder states. We win some battles for recruits, but it is tough sledding. When Miami and Auburn move into the top 10, over half of the top 10 will be in boarder states (or very close) to SC. UF, Miami, UGA, CU, Aub, and Ala.
Most neutral observers are going to have UT, UF and UGA ahead of us as far as historically good programs with better resources and higher expectations.
Whoever comes here will have a challenge. They have to have a certain desperation / willingness to take on the odds attitude. It is totally why Will came, he didn’t have any other options.
Insert Hugh Freeze.
I recommended Fleck in previous posts but not sure he would come. Same with their AD. Minnesota has Big 10 $$ and an easier path to a conference championship IMO. They could match the $$ we would throw at him.
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