Ray Tanner is not a CEO type of AD. He's a baseball coach for crying out loud. I'm not even sure Tanner would fired WM. They will both have to be canned together.
Assuming we did have a football head coaching vacancy....
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Freeze ran a dirty program at Ole Miss. Why would we invite that here?
It’s sad to see comments like this. Why would we not demand excellence? I graduated Carolina in 2005, and consider the university a huge part of my life. My friends and fellow alumni are family to me. When Spurrier took over the motto was, “Why Not Us?”, because we had the resources and desire to win. That hasn’t changed.
President Caslen and the BOT need to start demanding the very best for our university and our athletic programs. Ray Tanner has been a big asset to the university, but he has mismanaged the hire of WM and added to his mistake with a contract extension. If he is unwilling to make the changes necessary, both positions need to be evaluated now.
It’s sad to see comments like this. Why would we not demand excellence? I graduated Carolina in 2005, and consider the university a huge part of my life. My friends and fellow alumni are family to me. When Spurrier took over the motto was, “Why Not Us?”, because we had the resources and desire to win. That hasn’t changed.
President Caslen and the BOT need to start demanding the very best for our university and our athletic programs. Ray Tanner has been a big asset to the university, but he has mismanaged the hire of WM and added to his mistake with a contract extension. If he is unwilling to make the changes necessary, both positions need to be evaluated now.
You either get dirty or you get run over. By the way we weren't that clean under Spurrier.
He just got caught, you think Aub, Ala, UGA, TN run “clean” programs? So naive.
But HOW is he an embarrassment? So far, all he's done is win. All you've done is talk about his looks.
It is not naive, it’s being realistic with respect to the optics of that hire. He’s got a lens on him, and I think there are other candidates that can recruit and win that haven’t been associated and named in NCAA scandals 🙄.
Well then, let’s hire people who are smart enough not to get caught and buy a burner phone to call escort agencies instead of using the University provided phone.
Freeze is a good fit at Liberty. Falwell can watch him every Saturday.
He hasn't won all that much against anyone that matters and there is little reason to believe that will translate to a school in the SEC. He has two seasons at UCF, you are basing your "all he has done is win" on way too small a sample size.
All of his religious hokus pokus would be off putting to many.
And has been pointed out, Napier has a very similar resume, arguably against lesser competition. Yet you seem to be OK with him because of who his mentor was (or some such thing) and he looks more the part, according to you.
Your reasons for not liking Heupel come across as quite petty and a tad bit hypocritical. JMHO.
Here is Tanners list:
Gene Chizik
Charlie Strong
Rich Rodriquez
Chad Holbrook
Rumor has it, he thinks Whammy Ward is now seasoned enough for the big chair.
Not necessarily...Same thing was said about Holtz...and Spurrier. They won because he had talent. Urban could not compete Clemsons and UGAs with a roster full of 3 stars. SC needs someone who can recruit, motivate and relate to players, unfortunately I think that person was Shawn Elliott. He wasn't given a fair shot because he inherited a complete dumpster fire and many didn't like him because he was too similar to Dabo.
It seems as though you just have a personal vendetta against the guy. Reading through this thread. You don’t make any logical arguments against him.
You can’t promote an interim coach who loses to The Citadel. Never going to happen.
Plus, Elliott isn’t even an elite coach in the Sunbelt. Appy’s last two coaches have gotten P5 jobs (Sattefriend and Drinkwitz) and now Napier looks to be the next coach from that conference to move up. Troy’s coach got the WVU job too.
Meanwhile Elliott stays at GSU and is just above average, never seriously in contention for a conference championship. Even Coastal may pass his program this year.
He did beat Tennessee last year, which was wonderful but he isn’t P5 head coaching material.
Why he was feeling around, blind when he heard Muss was AVAILABLE. That is why he got him.
Blind,
Thank you.
I have no idea why so many of our fans are so hellbent on hiring one of "our" guys. If the next great coach out there has ties here, great.
But if they can coach and build relationships, they'll be able to recruit whether they're from SC, Montana or New Mexico.
Where has our good ol' boy network gotten us so far? Get the best guy!
The only thing Freeze has going for him is being a successful head coach no one seems to want at the time. (See Holtz and Spurrier). Religion should be no factor, (some of us might like it. ) But, it's not a qualification.
These days, chasing hookers might go either way, like the viral Muschamp video, done on University time and equipment. That does not seem to matter anymore.
The great thing about Christian schools is they understand there will be moral failings, but not Coaching failings. (See Notre Dame, Liberty). Here, we seem to have it backward. Forgive, and win.
So maybe Freeze is not such a bad idea...
These days, chasing hookers might go either way, like the viral Muschamp video, done on University time and equipment. That does not seem to matter anymore.
The great thing about Christian schools is they understand there will be moral failings, but not Coaching failings. (See Notre Dame, Liberty). Here, we seem to have it backward. Forgive, and win.
So maybe Freeze is not such a bad idea...
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Well, McElwain took Muschamp's players at UF and won the East in his first year there. Those rosters were losing games, but they were LOADED with NFL talent.
I think Gene Chizik would be better than what we have... Not much, at least he could win at least 5 more games than Muschamp... Starting with App State...
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I actually texted in to 107.5 The Game that if Tanner is in charge of hiring the next coach, we’d end up with Butch Jones or Charlie Strong.
Religion isn't a factor, it is hypocrisy and false piety.
Obviously, there is no issue hiring a Christian coach in America. How many coaches of other faiths or no faith can you name?
Someone told me if Alumni gave $4.00 each we could by him out. Cheaper than a Bojangles chicken biscuit combo. It’s not going to happen either way, so we are wasting time talking about this coaching replacement.
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I corrected it to a chicken biscuit combo. You understood my point anyway. There is no fancy Bojangles. I don’t eat there at all, Dr. would have a fit. That info was passed on to me by a colleague!
Here’s an outside the box hire.. Eric Bieniemy . He’s the real mastermind of the Kansas City dynasty in the making . He’s young , has years of experience working under a hall of fame head coach . He’s had a DUI convection many years ago but other that no major red flags . Very limited college and recruiting experience but I think the greatest recruiting tool is winning and winning excitingly . He can definitely do that . Thoughts ??
I have nothing against Religion... We should practice Hail Mary's every game and twice on Sundays....
I mentioned him last year. I think he would be great. But, he is in line for an NFL HC position.
I will say this....Heupel is an air raid guy. Played that as QB in college....he truly understands it. Go look at the biggest pass #s the Air Raid produces (OU won their natty in 2000 with it, Manziel, these recent OU QBs that have put up the huge numbers, and of course Mike Leach and what he's done offensively in his career). I'm typically a defense first guy....but d@mn man.....that isn't working. Go get Heupel, get former Northwestern HS HC Kyle Richardson as an assistant (languishing on Clemson's payroll as an asst AD type now instead of a coach) and bring some energy and people with something to prove. Bring a very close rep from Rock Hill for recruiting and absolutely hammer and own Rock Hill to greater Charlotte area. You don't have to go to CA to find talent. You just have to zero in and get the right talent from nearby. Richardson has the ability and connections to do that.
I think we need to consider getting WHO we can get...and begin the process of getting them NOW. I want Fleck without question. But, he will win 65% of his games again this year...and that'll be a harder "get" every day that goes by.
Everybody said that last year and the year before . If by some miracle he doesn’t I think he would be a great hire
Right, it would look really good with Dabo doing baptisms at midfield and our guy being most famous for getting busted for hookers on the university time. Sell that to some of the rural families that you are trying to recruit.
For people who think, "who would we get", I give you the long list of possible candidates
Fleck
Fickell
Satterfield
Huepel
Cristobal
Napier
Clark
Elliott
HM:
Healy
Houston
Littrell
Fleck
Fickell
Satterfield
Huepel
Cristobal
Napier
Clark
Elliott
HM:
Healy
Houston
Littrell
Fleck signed an extension in November so he is not coming here.
I'm not trying to insult you, but Cristobal considering leaving Oregon for USC is laughable.
A young up and comer would be a disaster. SC has to get a recognizable coach that has been a long time winner to be successful. Coaches who have been very successful, i.e. Spurrier/Holtz. History has proven that.
If you are talking current head coaches we might be able to get, then Bill Clark, Luke Fickell, Will Healy, Blake Anderson, Billy Napier, Mike Houston, Josh Heupel or Jeff Monken. If we are looking at coordinators, Venables, Elliott, Graham Harrell, Sarkisian or take a chance on Joe Brady, despite his youth.
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