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It will get resolved only when, or if, LIV collapses. I'm guessing fan interest isn't very great. However, the Saudis can afford to lose tons of money on it. Sounds like goofy golf to me...music blaring, etc.
Tiger already turned down approximately $800 Million.
I like it better. None of the extra commentary bullshit. Just golf swings ever 35 seconds. The LIV isn’t going anywhere. The Pga will end up having to play nice as they should in my opinion. The pga is screaming like a little spoiled B****. They will offer big money to anyone who wins on the pga consistently and all major winners going forward and they will get half. Money talks and bullshit walks. It’s time to liven up golf.
It doesn’t make sense for tiger. He’s already established his legacy in the pga why move at the tail end of your career and put a stain on it.
Watching LIV is like watching the dogfight on the weekend at my local course.
I really enjoy watching golf and have been to the Masters a dozen or so times over the last 20 years.
I have zero interest in LIV. The music stuff is a part of it- sounds like a carnival.
I read a story by a guy who attended one event and the music was so loud on the course. He said it was sort of cool for a few minutes but it got to the point where it was totally distracting and hard to enjoy.
Greg Norman has always been a "burn it down" kind of guy. That's his personality. I think it's because his personality wasn't one that a lot of people could relate to and he got his feelings hurt years and years ago.
This is his revenge. He wants to turn golf into a sideshow because Greg was never going to be seen as one of those respected members of the golf community like people that didn't win as much as he did.
I was glad to see the federal judge decision this week.
I also like what English Pro Golfer (and former Florida International golfer) said about playing in Saudi Arabia last year- (she refused to play there)
“It doesn’t take a lot of research to infer what the purpose of these events, and others across all sports, truly is,” she replied, referencing the widespread accusations of Saudi sportswashing. “I would like to be wrong but while that remains the case, being a part of it makes me incredibly uncomfortable. It doesn’t fit with the values I have.”
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like Tiger or not, Tiger is an historian of the game and I think his ultimate goal has always been to be seen as a protector of the game and he wants to be someone that is respected on the course for respecting the game itself.
in 30 years, Tiger wants to be like a Jack or Arnie- ceremonial starter at The Masters, looked to as a respected golfer who people want to hear speak about the game.
He knows he can't do that by going to LIV golf or tearing down what the greats of golf built.
Read some reports of the arguments the LIV golf attorney made in court this week is interesting- funny- and pathetic.
The attorney directly contradicted what LIV has been saying for weeks now. It's evidence that you can't trust anything the Saudi's or Greg Norman says (which shouldn't be a surprise to anyone given the history of both)
It's like the attorney doesn't know anything about golf or how the PGA tour works.
The LIV attorney then appeared to try to pay off the judge in the middle of the hearing with a $200m offer
Then the attorney referred to his 3 clients as "these poor kids" (All of them are millionaires)- plus one of his clients- Matt Jones - is 42 years old. That's not even a kid in Saudi Arabia.
Maybe that sort of "lawyering" works in a total dictatorship like Saudi Arabia. LOL
He referenced the "Arnold Palmer Invitational" golf tournament and said it was played in Ohio. LOL. (It's played in Florida and has been for 40 years)
The attorney directly contradicted what LIV has been saying for weeks now. It's evidence that you can't trust anything the Saudi's or Greg Norman says (which shouldn't be a surprise to anyone given the history of both)
It's like the attorney doesn't know anything about golf or how the PGA tour works.
The LIV attorney then appeared to try to pay off the judge in the middle of the hearing with a $200m offer
Then the attorney referred to his 3 clients as "these poor kids" (All of them are millionaires)- plus one of his clients- Matt Jones - is 42 years old. That's not even a kid in Saudi Arabia.
Maybe that sort of "lawyering" works in a total dictatorship like Saudi Arabia. LOL
He referenced the "Arnold Palmer Invitational" golf tournament and said it was played in Ohio. LOL. (It's played in Florida and has been for 40 years)
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True statement on Tiger and his legacy. The PGA tour is where you want to build your legacy. No way a golfer will build a legacy on the LIV. History of golf's past greats and the tournaments mean something.
But to some I suppose getting a lump sum to join a tour is their goal to set them up for life. To each his own I suppose.
How so. Watching a swing every 30 seconds vs 3 min of commentating and then a swing is a no brainer. Atleast for the viewer. What’s not to like about LIV.
Who gives a shit about that. Very few people go around saying I refuse to buy Nike because they use china kids in sweat shops
I guess it depends on your point of view. If you prefer to see an organization that is built just on the basis of paying golfers as much as possible and then limiting how much they play golf in front of fans, then LIV golf is for you.
Oddly enough, this is sort of a communist/socialist approach to golf: Pay golfers a ton of money whether they perform well or not on the course just because. It's no surprise that this is the Saudi approach.
The PGA 's built on developing the game all the way down to young kids. They invest in educating young people about the game and they don't pay people based on their reputation. The system is set up to reward those that achieve the best on the course - no guarantees. It's sort of a very American approach.
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That's true. Not sure that makes it right.
I haven't bought a pair of Nike shoes in over 22 years specifically because of their history of labor abuses.
But I realize a lot of people don't really care about such stuff.
Oddly enough, that's what I do like about the PGA approach. Every swing matters in the end.
When the swings don't really matter, there is no reason to take your time or really care.
Folks aren't paid just for being a golfer. They are paid for performance on the PGA tour.
If I had money and I was trying to start a golf organization you would have to pull from already established organizations. How do you go about pulling employees from another business? pay, benefits, and time off. That’s exactly what the LIV is doing. It’s business 101.
The Pga also did not do anything in your last paragraph when they first started. Pga system has been set up longer but you have to start your business before you can set it up to be a never ending system.
I’m aware, I’m not talking about the golfers. I am talking about the style in which they have chosen to showcase a golf tournament. I think LIV keeps your attention better at least for me. I don’t want to sound like I don’t watch a lot of golf because I do.
This isn't business 101 because the LIV model isn't meant to be a business. They can never be profitable. Never. Not with the outlay of cash. It's meant for another purpose. Be it money laundering or something else.
This is against the free market because market forces aren't in play. It's just a foreign country trying to destroy an American business by any means necessary.
Explain how they possibly ever turn a profit. Even if they take over the PGA tv contracts and tournaments, they’d be in the hole for literal decades.
this isn’t a business. It’s a hostile takeover without an end game.
During the past year I have started avoiding Nike. I do have a golf shirt which I'll probably donate to Goodwill. It's difficult buying apparel etc not made in China etc. I'm researching to try and buy American if possible.
With Norman, the takeover IS the end game. He has declared war on the PGA Tour. If he can topple its primacy, he will die happy.
I don't know. Nearly a billion dollars might do it for me. He would probably bring down the PGA if he went. People remember him as a Masters champ and US Open champ, who cares about the PGA other than golfers?
The LiV is CaddyShack III. It’s for fans with a short attention span.
LIV golf is a joke - mostly lazy, older golfers that no longer can compete with the young bucks
I am not sure if I pulled employees from another business I'd pay them huge sums of money before they did any work- and guarantee them huge sums of money whether they performed well or not.
I mean this likely isn't important to some people but their model is anti-American in terms of how Americans understand pay for performance.
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It's difficult. I also try hard not to buy things made in China - if I can.
I have to say- I do not make decisions on products based on Democrat versus Republican politics.
But I have made product decisions based on where things are made- and while Nike has improved in the labor abuse category, I have avoided them as much as possible when it comes to shoes. I mainly do that now because the huge contracts they pay out to athletes.
He has more money than he could ever spend now.
To respond to your question - but Tiger is a golfer. At this stage of his life, of course he wants to be respected by the PGA and the PGA greats. That's probably just as important as anything else to him at this point.
Um they have a fair amount of the winners not named tiger. Bryson, Johnson, cam
Happens all the time. Just because you won’t doesn’t mean others are unwilling. Guess you have never heard of sign on bonus. It’s the reason my wife moves around Columbia hospitals every 2-3 years. They usually are 20-30k.
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I'll guarantee you Arnold Palmer and Tom Watson would have given their left testicles to win one. Jordan Spieth would make such a sacrifice right now.
But your wife still has to perform her work to earn a salary- and I would imagine- perform it well or she will be fired and sent her way.
That's not the case with LIV golf.
I think this is yet another issue where people are simply not going to agree.
People have different values. Some will prefer the Greg Norman approach to burn everything else down to the ground to settle his personal demons, and others will value the history and tradition that has been built over decades.
Of course. As some golfers have said- without putting their names out there- Norman is a revenge guy and this is his ticket to burn everyone he can.
