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Well, what were you responding to then? Malone has been right a lot during this pandemic and that's what I was pointing out.

Your second paragraph reads like Big Pharma. The deaths in highly vaccinated countries (95%) are at their highest levels since the start of the pandemic. The UK, Israel and others have reported mostly vaxxed in the hospitals (it's directly on their government website) they are abandoning mandates as a result.

Agree with 3rd paragraph.

The vaccines were touted to "stop COVID in its tracks." Zero COVID - remember that? And then we have Biden just in August doubling down on that promise even though the opposite was occurring around him. Changing the definition to omit transmission is a big deal. Now it's just a another drug.
The specific thing was about the indemnity clauses which be acknowledged he was wrong about. He’s also shared an article attributing the vaccine to a 2017 death which he later pulled after it was pointed out when the individual died. Again though the problem is that people never pick up on his correction because they don’t fit the story they want to create with him at the center.

I get that the “Big Pharma” buzzword is one of the latest boogeymen to just throw out there but logically is you have a population that is more prone to hospitalizations to start they will still be likely to end up with hospitalizations. I know that it’s not as cool as simply repeating click bait saying 60% of hospitalizations are vaccinated but sometimes it doesn’t hurt to look into what makes up the numbers to see what that really means. It also doesn’t account for overall numbers and how those have changed or whether or not that age group saw the same level of spikes as others.

No vaccines have never immediately eradicated an illness and as we’ve moved further and further away from issues with the things people are vaccinated for people tend to forget this. It was stupid to give any pitch that it would stop the vaccine because that’s not what the studies for this or any vaccine has shown. Again though while I know the change in definition has allowed people to latch onto something vaccines never completely stopped the transmission prior either. It was noted that many smallpox infections were passed along by vaccinated individuals. So again if that was a take of the prior definitions then that was wrong.
 
Please provide reference.
It’s in the linked report showing myocardial scarring (Boy A) and cardiomegaly (Boy B) with evidence of both that it was existing for a period beyond the dates of the vaccines. It was also noted that one of the bother had been taking an amphetamine which may or may not have impacted the prior issues that were found.
 
The specific thing was about the indemnity clauses which be acknowledged he was wrong about. He’s also shared an article attributing the vaccine to a 2017 death which he later pulled after it was pointed out when the individual died. Again though the problem is that people never pick up on his correction because they don’t fit the story they want to create with him at the center.

I get that the “Big Pharma” buzzword is one of the latest boogeymen to just throw out there but logically is you have a population that is more prone to hospitalizations to start they will still be likely to end up with hospitalizations. I know that it’s not as cool as simply repeating click bait saying 60% of hospitalizations are vaccinated but sometimes it doesn’t hurt to look into what makes up the numbers to see what that really means. It also doesn’t account for overall numbers and how those have changed or whether or not that age group saw the same level of spikes as others.

No vaccines have never immediately eradicated an illness and as we’ve moved further and further away from issues with the things people are vaccinated for people tend to forget this. It was stupid to give any pitch that it would stop the vaccine because that’s not what the studies for this or any vaccine has shown. Again though while I know the change in definition has allowed people to latch onto something vaccines never completely stopped the transmission prior either. It was noted that many smallpox infections were passed along by vaccinated individuals. So again if that was a take of the prior definitions then that was wrong.

The vaccines are still under EUA. You were wrong about this. Why did Malone get brought into it?

It's government statistics from a government website unless you consider that click-bait now too?

You have to be the last standing person who still believe the vaccines are working as advertised. Even my triple vaxxed neighbor has thrown in the towel and is done with boosters. New cases and deaths are at an all-time high in countries with post 90% vax. They are pulling the mandates. What else do you need?
 
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It’s in the linked report showing myocardial scarring (Boy A) and cardiomegaly (Boy B) with evidence of both that it was existing for a period beyond the dates of the vaccines. It was also noted that one of the bother had been taking an amphetamine which may or may not have impacted the prior issues that were found.

".... The key point is that since these boys had died suddenly and unexpectedly in their sleep without resuscitation, if the arrhythmia had been due to the myocardial scar (Boy A) or cardiomegaly (Boy B), then the fulminant, global myocardial injury would not be an expected 9 finding. These two clinical histories support the etiology of the acute myocardial injury as a primary factor not a secondary agonal or post-resuscitative artefact."
 
Great interview with Harvard-trained physician on Big Pharma, the FDA, vaccines and corruption.

Plenty of researchers/MDs from our top medical institutions now speaking out.

 
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The vaccines are still under EUA. You were wrong about this. Why did Malone get brought into it?

It's government statistics from a government website unless you consider that click-bait now too?

You have to be the last standing person who still believe the vaccines are working as advertised. Even my triple vaxxed neighbor has thrown in the towel and is done with boosters. New cases and deaths are at an all-time high in countries with post 90% vax. They are pulling the mandates. What else do you need?
No one said they weren’t under EUA. That wasn’t the question or the initial comment and Malone came into the discussion because it was his incorrect statement (which he later corrected) that led to the issue that was initially being discussed.

Again it’s not just information it’s what goes into it, what it means and how it’s presented that gets to be an issue. Sometimes you have to look beyond a headline in an article.

You’re kind of all over the place with this but the only thing advertised to me was that the goal was to keep you out of the morgue. So far so good there. I haven’t been boosted and don’t really intend to unless something significantly changes. All of the data still shows that your likelihood of severe complications are much lower even if no booster so I’m good.
 
".... The key point is that since these boys had died suddenly and unexpectedly in their sleep without resuscitation, if the arrhythmia had been due to the myocardial scar (Boy A) or cardiomegaly (Boy B), then the fulminant, global myocardial injury would not be an expected 9 finding. These two clinical histories support the etiology of the acute myocardial injury as a primary factor not a secondary agonal or post-resuscitative artefact."
You left out the start of that paragraph.

Regardless of the etiology of the fibrosis, the extent of scarring by itself is potentially arrhythmogenic and may be a contributing factor with the acute post-vaccine myocardial injury. Similarly, the cardiac hypertrophy in Case B may have made the heart more susceptible to an arrhythmia

A sample size of two people who both had pre-existing heart conditions can’t provide a conclusion one way or the other.
 
Worse thing to come out of the last two years is no one can trust “government experts” any longer. Sadly that ship has sailed and it may never return. Greedy, power hungry individuals sacrificed trust for personal gain. How evil can you possibly get? Unbelievable
Again, “The government is not the answer to your problems. The government is the problem.” Ronald Reagan
 
??? It's an autopsy confirmation of cause, not a body count.
First of all it’s not a “confirmation of cause”. These people didn’t die of the vaccine…..and let’s suppose for a moment they did, it’s still two.

920,000 Covid deaths—it’s overblown. You’ve got to live your life. “Faith over fear.”

2 questionable vaccine “deaths”—no shot for me. Give me the horse dewormer.
 
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The vaccines are still under EUA. You were wrong about this. Why did Malone get brought into it?

It's government statistics from a government website unless you consider that click-bait now too?

You have to be the last standing person who still believe the vaccines are working as advertised. Even my triple vaxxed neighbor has thrown in the towel and is done with boosters. New cases and deaths are at an all-time high in countries with post 90% vax. They are pulling the mandates. What else do you need?
Since you’re good with numbers tell me how many people that are hospitalized or died of Covid:

A. had the vaccine

B. either didn’t have the opportunity to be vaccinated or chose not to get it.

Then draw your conclusions about vaccine effectiveness.
 
It is interesting the lack of attention the numbers get compared to a little more than a year ago.

As many people have acknowledged, the public is beyond tired of the entire pandemic. It's no surprise that people don't pay that much attention to it now.

But the numbers still get mentioned all the time. The nightly local and national news still goes over the numbers every night.
 

Myocarditis from COVID vaccination is not as serious as myocarditis from viral infection (COVID).

My son had a cardiac procedure this past summer. I asked both his cardiologist and his Cardio-electrophysiologist if he should get a COVID vaccine because of myocarditis concerns and both told me they had more patients in the hospital from COVID induced myocarditis than from any heart issues related to the vaccine.

Also from the JAMA Study (That you cited)

However, the onset of myocarditis symptoms after exposure
to a potential immunological trigger was shorter for
COVID-19 vaccine–associated cases of myocarditis than is typical
for myocarditis cases diagnosed after a viral illness.

Cases of myocarditis reported after COVID-19 vaccination were
typically diagnosed within days of vaccination, whereas cases
of typical viral myocarditis can often have indolent courses
with symptoms sometimes present for weeks to months after
a trigger if the cause is ever identified.

The major presenting symptoms appeared to resolve faster in cases of myocarditis
after COVID-19 vaccination than in typical viral cases of myocarditis.


Even though almost all individuals with cases of myocarditis were
hospitalized and clinically monitored, they typically
experienced symptomatic recovery after receiving only
pain management. In contrast, typical viral cases of myocarditis
can have a more variable clinical course. For example, up
to 6% of typical viral myocarditis cases in adolescents require
a heart transplant or result in mortality.
 
For those who are considering getting your teenager vaccinated/boosted even though they have almost zero chance of COVID complications, please do your own research on issues that are continuing to crop up in this age group because you're not going to hear it from your local MD.

All my children have received a COVID vaccine months and months ago, and 1 has received the booster.
No issues
 
All my children have received a COVID vaccine months and months ago, and 1 has received the booster.
No issues
One thing I’ve learned from this pandemic is there are a lot of adults that are cotton candy soft, softer than a lot of kids. And the softest are usually the ones screaming the loudest.
 
One thing I’ve learned from this pandemic is there are a lot of adults that are cotton candy soft, softer than a lot of kids. And the softest are usually the ones screaming the loudest.

Oh no doubt about it. My kids all looked forward to getting their vaccine. I told them I didn't look forward to mine- that I looked at it as just another necessary thing I needed to do for my health just like taking the Shingles vaccine, or a flu shot- but for them it was something they all were sort of excited about

My dad- retired military guy- in his 70s, tough "country boy type" couldn't wait to get the vaccine. He was one of the first in the state to get a booster too. He saw one of his high school friends die of COVID right before the vaccines were available- and it was a rough situation. So I think that motivated him.
 
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True. Millions of imbeciles still think Trump said they should inject disinfectant into their bodies.

Ugh. My brother in law is one of them. I thought it was impossible, but my estimation of him lowered.

I am convinced though, that a majority of the people repeating it know better, they just think it's a cute political jab. Like pretending ivermectin is only used on animals.
 
Myocarditis from COVID vaccination is not as serious as myocarditis from viral infection (COVID).

My son had a cardiac procedure this past summer. I asked both his cardiologist and his Cardio-electrophysiologist if he should get a COVID vaccine because of myocarditis concerns and both told me they had more patients in the hospital from COVID induced myocarditis than from any heart issues related to the vaccine.

Also from the JAMA Study (That you cited)

However, the onset of myocarditis symptoms after exposure
to a potential immunological trigger was shorter for
COVID-19 vaccine–associated cases of myocarditis than is typical
for myocarditis cases diagnosed after a viral illness.

Cases of myocarditis reported after COVID-19 vaccination were
typically diagnosed within days of vaccination, whereas cases
of typical viral myocarditis can often have indolent courses
with symptoms sometimes present for weeks to months after
a trigger if the cause is ever identified.

The major presenting symptoms appeared to resolve faster in cases of myocarditis
after COVID-19 vaccination than in typical viral cases of myocarditis.


Even though almost all individuals with cases of myocarditis were
hospitalized and clinically monitored, they typically
experienced symptomatic recovery after receiving only
pain management. In contrast, typical viral cases of myocarditis
can have a more variable clinical course. For example, up
to 6% of typical viral myocarditis cases in adolescents require
a heart transplant or result in mortality.
Stop Chinese fentanyl and you’ll make a difference. Save 100% of fentanyl deaths. Covid is done. Just stop the bs and fix something PROVEN to kill anyone unfortunate enough to come across its path. Much deadlier than covid
 
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All my children have received a COVID vaccine months and months ago, and 1 has received the booster.
No issues
Good luck for the rest of their lives. We’ll see the true side effects over the next twenty years. Immunity for big pharma is there for a reason
 
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And that's with 80% with at least one vaccine shot. The vaccines were WAY oversold. Not enough emphasis on therapeutics.
One trick pony show. Lazer focus on vaccines and nothing else. They couldnt even keep testing on their radar. A month ago I did an internet search 'covid testing near me' after have symptoms. Quickest appointment I could get was four days later with results given three to five days after that. I said screw it. Colossal failure. They couldnt even get that right.
 
Since you’re good with numbers tell me how many people that are hospitalized or died of Covid:

A. had the vaccine

B. either didn’t have the opportunity to be vaccinated or chose not to get it.

Then draw your conclusions about vaccine effectiveness.

In the countries that are actually reporting data or in the US where they suppress it and tell you what they want you to hear?
 
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First of all it’s not a “confirmation of cause”. These people didn’t die of the vaccine…..and let’s suppose for a moment they did, it’s still two.

920,000 Covid deaths—it’s overblown. You’ve got to live your life. “Faith over fear.”

2 questionable vaccine “deaths”—no shot for me. Give me the horse dewormer.

Why do you believe top scientists/MDs at top institutions are speaking out about the vaccines and mandates on a daily basis?

Risk of Myopericarditis following COVID-19 mRNA vaccination in a Large Integrated Health System: A Comparison of Completeness and Timeliness of Two Methods
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.21.21268209v1

The true incidence of myopericarditis is markedly higher (1 in 1850) than the incidence reported to US advisory committees. The VSD should validate its search algorithm to improve its sensitivity for myopericarditis.
 
Myocarditis from COVID vaccination is not as serious as myocarditis from viral infection (COVID).

My son had a cardiac procedure this past summer. I asked both his cardiologist and his Cardio-electrophysiologist if he should get a COVID vaccine because of myocarditis concerns and both told me they had more patients in the hospital from COVID induced myocarditis than from any heart issues related to the vaccine.

Also from the JAMA Study (That you cited)

However, the onset of myocarditis symptoms after exposure
to a potential immunological trigger was shorter for
COVID-19 vaccine–associated cases of myocarditis than is typical
for myocarditis cases diagnosed after a viral illness.

Cases of myocarditis reported after COVID-19 vaccination were
typically diagnosed within days of vaccination, whereas cases
of typical viral myocarditis can often have indolent courses
with symptoms sometimes present for weeks to months after
a trigger if the cause is ever identified.

The major presenting symptoms appeared to resolve faster in cases of myocarditis
after COVID-19 vaccination than in typical viral cases of myocarditis.


Even though almost all individuals with cases of myocarditis were
hospitalized and clinically monitored, they typically
experienced symptomatic recovery after receiving only
pain management. In contrast, typical viral cases of myocarditis
can have a more variable clinical course. For example, up
to 6% of typical viral myocarditis cases in adolescents require
a heart transplant or result in mortality.

Local MDs aren't going to tell you anything about vaccine issues in a traditional setting. It's in the contract.

Conclusions and Relevance Based on passive surveillance reporting in the US, the risk of myocarditis after receiving mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines was increased across multiple age and sex strata and was highest after the second vaccination dose in adolescent males and young men. This risk should be considered in the context of the benefits of COVID-19 vaccination.
 
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Local MDs aren't going to tell you anything about vaccine issues in a traditional setting. It's in the contract.

Conclusions and Relevance Based on passive surveillance reporting in the US, the risk of myocarditis after receiving mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines was increased across multiple age and sex strata and was highest after the second vaccination dose in adolescent males and young men. This risk should be considered in the context of the benefits of COVID-19 vaccination.
Is there a copy of the contract somewhere?
 
No one said they weren’t under EUA. That wasn’t the question or the initial comment and Malone came into the discussion because it was his incorrect statement (which he later corrected) that led to the issue that was initially being discussed.

Again it’s not just information it’s what goes into it, what it means and how it’s presented that gets to be an issue. Sometimes you have to look beyond a headline in an article.

You’re kind of all over the place with this but the only thing advertised to me was that the goal was to keep you out of the morgue. So far so good there. I haven’t been boosted and don’t really intend to unless something significantly changes. All of the data still shows that your likelihood of severe complications are much lower even if no booster so I’m good.
What? I can't follow you Dizzy. I'm sorry. You went back and forth for over an hour about the EUA status. The only person who brought up Malone was you.
 
What? I can't follow you Dizzy. I'm sorry. You went back and forth for over an hour about the EUA status. The only person who brought up Malone was you.
Well considering that the other individual seemed to be pretty clear on the discussion points maybe it would do you well to reread the conversation and it should clarify the points that seem to be troubling you.
 
Stop Chinese fentanyl and you’ll make a difference. Save 100% of fentanyl deaths. Covid is done. Just stop the bs and fix something PROVEN to kill anyone unfortunate enough to come across its path. Much deadlier than covid

common sense tells anyone that these are not mutually exclusive. There is no choice to be made.

One doesn't have to try to "fix" or "avoid" one and ignore the other. People can do at least 2 things at once.
 
Good luck for the rest of their lives. We’ll see the true side effects over the next twenty years. Immunity for big pharma is there for a reason

nonsense. You sound like my uncle who still whines every Thanksgiving about "evil cellular telephones"

Vaccine history​

The history of vaccines shows that delayed effects following vaccination can occur. But when they do, these effects tend to happen within two months of vaccination:
  • mRNA is made and used in protein production in all cells of our bodies. As such, cells have mechanisms in place to ensure that no protein is made in quantities greater than needed. One way this happens is that mRNA has a “poly(A) tail.” In the cytoplasm, this tail ensures mRNA decay. As the mRNA is used to make proteins in the cell, the length of the poly(A) tail decreases, until it is too short for the mRNA to continue being used as a protein blueprint. Once this happens, the mRNA breaks down and is removed as cellular debris. This process limits how long mRNA remains in the cytoplasm — and, therefore, how much protein is produced.

    As such, poly(A) tails ensure that the cell breaks down the vaccine mRNA in a timely manner. Likewise, this understanding allows scientists to design vaccine-delivered mRNA in a way that ensures it does not stay in the cell longer than needed to generate immunity.
(We have seen repeated evidence of this in numerous vaccine trials and the COVID vaccines given to hundreds of millions and how the generated immunity wanes over time)

 
Local MDs aren't going to tell you anything about vaccine issues in a traditional setting. It's in the contract.

Conclusions and Relevance Based on passive surveillance reporting in the US, the risk of myocarditis after receiving mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines was increased across multiple age and sex strata and was highest after the second vaccination dose in adolescent males and young men. This risk should be considered in the context of the benefits of COVID-19 vaccination.

As the experts that debunk conspiracy theories repeatedly say, a conspiracy theory promoter will always come up with an explanation that supports his theory- even if it makes no sense.

My son's primary cardiologist, a family friend, retired in November He visited with my son over Christmas.

His "contract" is as null and void as your dumb conspiracy theories.


As I already wrote- after looking at the JAMA study you posted above- the risk of myocarditis is actually higher in those that catch COVID- and the severity of myocarditis is worse in those that catch COVID- compared to the vaccine.

Your "conclusion and relevance" statement above in NO WAY contradicts that.

You posted the study, You just didn't read it. That seems to be your main problem.
 
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Is there a copy of the contract somewhere?
LOL

He pulls crap out of his butt all the time. THat's what conspiracy theory promoters do.

my son's main cardiologist is retired. He retired in November. We saw him over Christmas.

Of course I'm sure this supposed "contract" is in effect until death so he can't really be honest because of the contract. He's known my son since he was born. He taught him in Sunday School when he was in elementary school. Not exactly the type of man that is going to lie to a kid and put his life at risk.

nutty theories promoted by him. It's such nonsense.
 
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LOL

He pulls crap out of his butt all the time. THat's what conspiracy theory promoters do.

my son's main cardiologist is retired. He retired in November. We saw him over Christmas.

Of course I'm sure this supposed "contract" is in effect until death so he can't really be honest because of the contract. He's known my son since he was born. He taught him in Sunday School when he was in elementary school. Not exactly the type of man that is going to lie to a kid and put his life at risk.

nutty theories promoted by him. It's such nonsense.
Sure Dave. This is how you get threads dedicated to you. The contract between the manufacturers and countries has been posted on FGF several times. It's also readily online and the European Union has a video up discussing the absurdity of it.
 
LOL

He pulls crap out of his butt all the time. THat's what conspiracy theory promoters do.

my son's main cardiologist is retired. He retired in November. We saw him over Christmas.

Of course I'm sure this supposed "contract" is in effect until death so he can't really be honest because of the contract. He's known my son since he was born. He taught him in Sunday School when he was in elementary school. Not exactly the type of man that is going to lie to a kid and put his life at risk.

nutty theories promoted by him. It's such nonsense.
You mean Harvard physicians and legal rulings while you continued to scream conspiracy and talk about your local MD? Sure Dave.

COVID CASES
115,509 FEB 15 2022
55,272 FEB 15 2021

DEATHS

2,850 FEB 15 2022
994 FEB 15 2021
 
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Sure Dave. This is how you get threads dedicated to you. The contract between the manufacturers and countries has been posted on FGF several times. It's also readily online and the European Union has a video up discussing the absurdity of it.
The contracts have and they have had lots of discussions about them but I certainly do no recall seeing anything in the documents indicating that physicians can’t discuss anything adverse to the vaccines with their patients.
 
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