Yes, the coaches in their infinite wisdom decided to create the impression that Joyner "didn't have it" in order to avoid a QB controversy. Pure and simple.Perhaps he failed to earn that opportunity.
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Yes, the coaches in their infinite wisdom decided to create the impression that Joyner "didn't have it" in order to avoid a QB controversy. Pure and simple.Perhaps he failed to earn that opportunity.
And you know this, how because you are stating it as fact......Yes, the coaches in their infinite wisdom decided to create the impression that Joyner "didn't have it" in order to avoid a QB controversy. Pure and simple.
You will learn the facts within a couple of weeksAnd you know this, how because you are stating it as fact......
He's not fast...... He may be quick but Dak is not fast..I was not impressed by his speed. He had opportunities to showcase it. Don’t recall him outrunning anyone.
Right now Bmac appears to have been better. Shocker, I know.I remember when fans were paralyzed with fear that McIlwain was going to transfer and win two Heismans.
Cuz we gots a “GREAT” recruiterSo why'd we take him as a QB?
Yes, the coaches in their infinite wisdom decided to create the impression that Joyner "didn't have it" in order to avoid a QB controversy. Pure and simple.
Whatever makes you feel good...Not so fast.
Play that card game somewhere else.
That and third place on the chart,
Joyner was beat out for the position
What gives you- or whomever gave you this impression- the idea that he DOES “have it”? I have not seen any indication from his play on the field that he would be a dominant or even mediocre/ serviceable option at QB in the SEC. He is athletic, but in the times I have seen him throw it was not impressive... real games, Spring games... Hilinski has always been a far superior passer. I suspect the same was born out in practice and baring a sudden dramatic improvement the same will be shown during the rest of his FB career be it here or elsewhere.Yes, the coaches in their infinite wisdom decided to create the impression that Joyner "didn't have it" in order to avoid a QB controversy. Pure and simple.
I arrived at my impression that Joyner "has it" by watching his high school play for a few years - no one "told" me about anything. Before you come back with a "high school?" comment, remember JB and RH were only a summer session departed from high school.What gives you- or whomever gave you this impression- the idea that he DOES “have it”? I have not seen any indication from his play on the field that he would be a dominant or even mediocre/ serviceable option at QB in the SEC. He is athletic, but in the times I have seen him throw it was not impressive... real games, Spring games... Hilinski has always been a far superior passer. I suspect the same was born out in practice and baring a sudden dramatic improvement the same will be shown during the rest of his FB career be it here or elsewhere.
Glad he chose us, seems like a good kid, glad he is part of the team... but talent is obvious. Arm talent is rare. Ryan has it, Dak does not. Ryan needs to work on his accuracy and once he is healthy again I suspect we will see more of what we saw from him early in the season against Charleston Southern, Bama... an accurate (on short routes), confident guy who can deliver the ball in a hurry and rarely makes mistakes with where he decides to deliver the FB. I never saw any mechanics, solid QB footwork, or just raw arm talent from Dak. Never. He is not fast enough to be a WR, not big and durable enough to be a RB... I just don’t see where he will fit in on our team and at the risk of sounding derogatory (not intended) he would be better suited running the offense at SC State than here IMO. We have had plenty of guys who could not hack it at the SEC level step back to SC state and have good careers there. I hope if he does transfer he finds a good fit and if he stays that we find a way to better utilize him but again, I will be shocked if he is ever our locked in starting QB.
I agree ....i saw him having “average”speed and really not that quick either...i also saw him drop a couple passes that let me know he isn,t a receiver either...seems to be a “decentlathlete who starred against high school competition and can,t make it in college...theres only about 1000 or so of these coming into college ball EVERY season...problem is average fans who can,t really evaluate talent see them dominate high school kids and”think”they should be given the opportunity to do it in college...theres a reason he wasn,t offered at qb by anyone else...coaches can see when you,re a good”athlete”with no “true”position to play in college...and you aren,t very useful unfortunately...i wish dak WAS a good thrower of the ball,but unfortunately...I was not impressed by his speed. He had opportunities to showcase it. Don’t recall him outrunning anyone.
Well we are all entitled to our opinions. I disagree with your assessment of his ability if you are implying he would be a better QB than Ryan. He does not have the arm to be a passer at the level we need, and we do not run the type of offense that suits a run first QB. Hard to tell from this season alone with either of them obviously as I don’t think Dak or Ryan were truly healthy from about the 4th game on.I arrived at my impression that Joyner "has it" by watching his high school play for a few years - no one "told" me about anything. Before you come back with a "high school?" comment, remember JB and RH were only a summer session departed from high school.
It is my impression that Joyner was never given a real opportunity to play...my opinion is that the coaching staff wished to avoid a QB controversy. It is also my opinion that what we need is a dual-threat QB. Spurrier tried for years to make runners into passers. Then Shaw came along and took off and there was not much Spurrier could do except go along with what was suddenly working.
Back to Joyner - had I seen him getting to play a significant amount of time (which he was not allowed) perhaps I would feel differently. All I can point to are two things: comments/statements made by WM about players abilities/health/availabilities/other, AND his disrespectful treatment of Scarneccia (who busted his ass for this University for four years AND won the Missouri game for us) who never saw the field again.
Actions speak louder than words, and WM showed me what kind of guy he was with actions like that. So, I do not trust WM, and I do not think Joyner was given a fair shake.
I walked on at USC in 1968, but was deemed as better target material than student. I left school and joined the Army. After completing the service I returned to school and finished undergrad work in 1976 and MPA in 1978. I only weigh 10 lbs. more at age 70 than my playing weight of 240 lbs, and at 6'4" I could run pretty damn good.
Bring all this up because a lot of people on this site question posters without having any background/experience to provide a basis for -doubting- others. In any event, opinions are worth what they bring on the open market. There are those that make things happen, those that watch things happen, and those that ask, "What happened?"