Going for it on 4th and 5 early in 4th

[johncockroach]

Context: 13:33 left in the fourth quarter at the 25 yard line down six.

I think you need a td to win because you have to outscore ky by six in one quarter, very hard to do that on field goals alone and also stopping ky from getting field goals. Ironically, our horrible offense put us in the position to go for it, because they were playing so bad you know they’re not going to drive down the field with another good drive and get you a touchdown. That would be our best opportunity to get 7.

I would’ve made the same decision to go for it if we felt like we had ONE good play to get us five yards and knew what defense they’d run.

Im more upset about the onside kick than the decision to go for it instead of the field goal.

 

[Ratheolcoach]

It was the right decision

 

[CarolinaCocky83]

We had the play and unfortunately wasn’t able to bring the catch in. It was the right call

 

[jonesz21]

Like the call.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Close, low scoring game. Take the 3 points that early.

 

[rogue cock]

It was the right decision

Completely disagree. With that much time left and the score that close, you ALWAYS take the points. It reeked of desperation.

 

[king ward]

It was the right decision

It was not.

 

[DeepfriedCock]

Context: 13:33 left in the fourth quarter at the 25 yard line down six.

I think you need a td to win because you have to outscore ky by six in one quarter, very hard to do that on field goals alone and also stopping ky from getting field goals. Ironically, our horrible offense put us in the position to go for it, because they were playing so bad you know they’re not going to drive down the field with another good drive and get you a touchdown. That would be our best opportunity to get 7.

I would’ve made the same decision to go for it if we felt like we had ONE good play to get us five yards and knew what defense they’d run.

Im more upset about the onside kick than the decision to go for it instead of the field goal.

I would've kicked the FG in a low scoring game. Especially as lousy, as we were on offense tonight. But with major recruits there tonight. Going for it, wouldn't a bad call. Kids want to play for a man who's aggressive. Our lack of SEC talent is hurting us more than coaching right now.

 

[king ward]

We had the play and unfortunately wasn’t able to bring the catch in. It was the right call

What caused the play to fail is irrelevant. That it failed made it the wrong call. Three points there and we have a chance to tie that game with another field goal and send it to overtime. Alternatively, we could have won it in regulation with a subsequent touchdown.

 

[king ward]

I would've kicked the FG in a low scoring game. Especially as lousy, as we were on offense tonight. But with major recruits there tonight. Going for it, wouldn't a bad call. Kids want to play for a man who's aggressive. Our lack of SEC talent is hurting us more than coaching right now.

Winning the game is what impresses recruits. They aren't all stupid.

 

[DeepfriedCock]

Winning the game is what impresses recruits. They aren't all stupid.

Cliff Matthews verbally committed to Spurrier after the Thursday night loss to Auburn. Why? Because he thought he could've made a difference for us to win that game.

 

[uscwatson21]

Completely disagree. With that much time left and the score that close, you ALWAYS take the points. It reeked of desperation.

I mean he knew our defense couldn’t really stop Kentucky.

It was actually the right call.

 

[rogue cock]

I mean he knew our defense couldn’t really stop Kentucky.

It was actually the right call.

I disagree. Our defense did actually stop UK after that decision.

 

[uscwatson21]

I disagree. Our defense did actually stop UK after that decision.

We got lucky with turnovers. We weren’t actually stopping them as they were driving down the field.

 

[rogue cock]

We got lucky with turnovers. We weren’t actually stopping them as they were driving down the field.

Our defense forced those turnovers....and that is a part of defense.

 

[Conway Gamecock]

The thing that bugs me is Coach Beamer talked about being aggressive on offense after the UGA game, and he stated in the UK post-game presser that the 4th-down pass attempts were examples of "being aggressive".

But they both came in the 4th qtr., down in the score. It would've been great if we had been a bit more aggressive offensively in the 1st half, with more passing plays. Perhaps had we been, those two 4th-down pass attempts would've been unnecessary. The first half seemed too much like playing to not lose, like it was the 2nd half instead of the 1st half, and we were more interested in just running out the game clock, than trying to attack down-field and keep the offensive pressure on UK...

 

[Gamecockben1979]

Completely disagree. With that much time left and the score that close, you ALWAYS take the points. It reeked of desperation.

Based on what I’ve seen offensively, we are going to be pretty desperate all year.

 

[Ratheolcoach]

Y’all bitched for years at muschamp for kicking too many FGs and being too conservative. Beamer tries to win one and y’all are mad. Fact of the matter is it didn’t hurt us to go for it.

 

[world famous 3rd base hecklers]

Context: 13:33 left in the fourth quarter at the 25 yard line down six.

I think you need a td to win because you have to outscore ky by six in one quarter, very hard to do that on field goals alone and also stopping ky from getting field goals. Ironically, our horrible offense put us in the position to go for it, because they were playing so bad you know they’re not going to drive down the field with another good drive and get you a touchdown. That would be our best opportunity to get 7.

I would’ve made the same decision to go for it if we felt like we had ONE good play to get us five yards and knew what defense they’d run.

Im more upset about the onside kick than the decision to go for it instead of the field goal.

Onside kicks work when you don't expect it...

 

[king ward]

Cliff Matthews verbally committed to Spurrier after the Thursday night loss to Auburn. Why? Because he thought he could've made a difference for us to win that game.

He was an outlier. The kind of recruits you get by winning exceed the kind of recruits you get by needing help. Ask Alabama and Georgia.

 

[king ward]

We got lucky with turnovers. We weren’t actually stopping them as they were driving down the field.

Doesn't change the tactical dynamics of the game.

 

[SLODAWG]

Cliff Matthews verbally committed to Spurrier after the Thursday night loss to Auburn. Why? Because he thought he could've made a difference for us to win that game.

You seem to be suggesting a coach's in-game decisions should be influenced by what 17 and 18 year olds think. "Let me show the recruits how aggressive I am with this next call."

 

[Gamecock8]

Close, low scoring game. Take the 3 points that early.

This is the right answer in that situation.

 

[king ward]

You seem to be suggesting a coach's in-game decisions should be influenced by what 17 and 18 year olds think. "Let me show the recruits how aggressive I am with this next call."

Right, we all know that's how Vince Dooley did it. 🤣

 

[SLODAWG]

Right, we all know that's how Vince Dooley did it. 🤣

You're gonna have to explain that one to me.

 

[uscwatson21]

Our defense forced those turnovers....and that is a part of defense.

Such an elementary take ignoring context.

 

[rogue cock]

Such an elementary take ignoring context.

How so? We had stopped them quite a few times. How many points did they score in the 3rd quarter?

 

[uscwatson21]

Doesn't change the tactical dynamics of the game.

It does.

If you don’t think your defense can stop the other team, you’re trading 3 for 7 points for them. So if you kick a FG to make it 10-13, if they go score a TD it’s a two score lead for them late in the fourth.

If you make it 14-13, even if they score a TD on the next drive you only need one score to win. Not two. It was the right decision.

 

[CarolinaCocky83]

What caused the play to fail is irrelevant. That it failed made it the wrong call. Three points there and we have a chance to tie that game with another field goal and send it to overtime. Alternatively, we could have won it in regulation with a subsequent touchdown.

Stipulating the fact it failed makes it the wrong call is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Next coach we get better have hindsight like yours. The play was there. If we didn’t like the defense they were in we would’ve called timeout. So yea it is relevant.
I think the bigger botched call was the kick. At that point Rodriguez was having his way with us and getting what they needed. A 3 and out was probably more unlikely than recovering an onsides.

 

[josillor]

It does.

If you don’t think your defense can stop the other team, you’re trading 3 for 7 points for them. So if you kick a FG to make it 10-13, if they go score a TD it’s a two score lead for them late in the fourth.

If you make it 14-13, even if they score a TD on the next drive you only need one score to win. Not two. It was the right decision.

You couldn’t assume they were going to score a TD based on the 10 points they had all night. They ended up kicking a field goal that put them up by 9 instead of being up by 6. Going for it was absolutely the WRONG strategy at that time. They did kick a 50+ yard field goal late in the 4th so why on earth would you not have kicked a 42 yarder early in the 4th? They were either wrong the first time or wrong the second.

 

[josillor]

Stipulating the fact it failed makes it the wrong call is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Next coach we get better have hindsight like yours. The play was there. If we didn’t like the defense they were in we would’ve called timeout. So yea it is relevant.
I think the bigger botched call was the kick. At that point Rodriguez was having his way with us and getting what they needed. A 3 and out was probably more unlikely than recovering an onsides.

Going for it early in the 4th was a bad call based on our offensive output to that point in the game, that it was 4th and 5, not 4th and 1, we have a almost guaranteed 3 points from that distance with White and the fact that we were only down 6. It was the wrong call regardless. If we had made it, I would have said great, but it was still a bad decision on all accounts.

 

[CarolinaCocky83]

You couldn’t assume they were going to score a TD based on the 10 points they had all night. They ended up kicking a field goal that put them up by 9 instead of being up by 6. It was absolutely the WRONG stratigic call at that time. They did kick a 50+ yard field goal late in the 4th so why on earth would you not have kicked a 42 yarder early in the 4th? They were either wrong the first time or wrong the second.

Because it was a 2 possession game at that point. Either way we would’ve needed a TD and I don’t think we crossed the 35 the rest of the way. That was our best opportunity to do so

 

[uscnoklahoma2]

Y’all bitched for years at muschamp for kicking too many FGs and being too conservative. Beamer tries to win one and y’all are mad. Fact of the matter is it didn’t hurt us to go for it.

Did you ever consider the situations? Muschamp would call Parker out there trailing 23 in the 4th or call him out there for 55 yarders into a wind. Totally different situations.

 

[josillor]

Because it was a 2 possession game at that point. Either way we would’ve needed a TD and I don’t think we crossed the 35 the rest of the way. That was our best opportunity to do so

That is exactly why we needed the take the 3. The chances of us scoring a TD were not good. The chances of us getting back to the 35 to tie it with another field goal were much better, particularly given that there was 13 min. left in the game at that point.

 

[uscnoklahoma2]

Beamer himself has said it was the wrong call. Argue with him. Just sad some posters knew it was a horrible call at the time while the guy being paid millions didnt. I can't believe we have become a training ground for coaching. I never saw this coming in 2012.

 

[CarolinaCocky83]

Going for it early in the 4th was a bad call based on our offensive output to that point in the game, that it was 4th and 5, not 4th and 1, we have a almost guaranteed 3 points from that distance with White and the fact that we were only down 6. It was the wrong call regardless. If we had made it, I would have said great, but it was still a bad decision on all accounts.

Based on offensive output is exactly why went for it. We ended up with 216 yards! Sorry but to think we were magically gonna start stringing together 40-50 yard drives and bang out a W with an onslaught of FG’s isn’t a strategy that was going to be successful last night

 

[uscnoklahoma2]

Based on offensive output is exactly why went for it. We ended up with 216 yards! Sorry but to think we were magically gonna start stringing together 40-50 yard drives and bang out a W with an onslaught of FG’s isn’t a strategy that was going to be successful last night

Your argument actually favors taking points when you can.

 

[uscwatson21]

You couldn’t assume they were going to score a TD based on the 10 points they had all night. They ended up kicking a field goal that put them up by 9 instead of being up by 6. Going for it was absolutely the WRONG strategy at that time. They did kick a 50+ yard field goal late in the 4th so why on earth would you not have kicked a 42 yarder early in the 4th? They were either wrong the first time or wrong the second.

This is terrible logic.

Yes, you can assume they were going to score a TD. You can’t assume what actually happens.

If we take your logic, kicking the FG was the wrong call because we would have still lost. So kicking the field goal was wrong and not kicking the field goal was wrong. How do you reconcile that?

They weren’t wrong the second time because we were already down two scores.

 

[budman1976]

I don't mind the call at all. But you have to give yourself a chance. Joyner had no chance of getting that first down but it was so quick almost like he knew thats where he was throwing no matter what.

 

[Lakecock1]

Cliff Matthews verbally committed to Spurrier after the Thursday night loss to Auburn. Why? Because he thought he could've made a difference for us to win that game.

Nice cherry picking of one example over several decades. We obviously need elite recruits who can 'make a difference' - especially on the offensive side of the ball. We had several in attendance last night with the biggest and most important being Lonergan at QB and Williams at WR. Do you REALLY think that same spiel will work on those two?

And, for those who say that one game isn't that important to a recruit when they make their decisions, games like ours vs UK last night will have a huge impact on who commits in the future.