Governor to announce all schools closed. Announcement today at 4pm.

[Sending an SOS]

Agree to disagree then. I'm not mad. And I have to live with the choices of the people in charge, regardless of my thoughts on it. I will continue with my life as before, washing hand and not licking doorknobs . Really, if everyone practiced common sense this would be a non-issue anyhow. I think the mortality rates are highly exaggerated, but that is just a guess based on how few people are actually reporting, or have been successfully tested (thanks in part to mild symptoms and in part to limited test materials available), so you have to take that with a grain of salt. Can't go around setting policy based on what we don't know. I respect your opinion, but I don't totally agree, honestly.

You have the choice to believe whatever you want. I don’t pretend to be a statistical expert - particularly as it relates to public health. But I can assure you that the CSC, despite making recommendations, is not releasing their statistics for a reason - they don’t want people to panic.
If I had to guess (and it’s only my guess), there’s a point where your opinion won’t matter anymore. Let’s hope we don’t get to that point...

 

[Sending an SOS]

Same here, but regarding the level of panic, why? As I said elsewhere, something just does not add up and I do not get the sense that it’s because “they” know something that we don’t. Everyone knows we had h1n1 back in 2009; I remember well because I caught it. Everyone knows the numbers from that, and there was no panic at all back then.

All the reporting just seems very vague and almost sketchy to me; I know that will annoy some, I’m sorry. This just doesn’t pass the sniff test imo.

I’m 66 also btw.

Have you read the articles? What I’ve read makes 100% perfect sense.

 

[Rhizzlebop]

You have the choice to believe whatever you want. I don’t pretend to be a statistical expert - particularly as it relates to public health. But I can assure you that the CSC, despite making recommendations, is not releasing their statistics for a reason - they don’t want people to panic.
If I had to guess (and it’s only my guess), there’s a point where your opinion won’t matter anymore. Let’s hope we don’t get to that point...

I thought the CDC was being fairly transparent. What type of info do you think they are not releasing?

 

[Sending an SOS]

I thought the CDC was being fairly transparent. What type of info do you think they are not releasing?

Sorry - they are being transparent, but they aren’t fully releasing the results of their models on potential scenrario impacts. This is per a few articles I’ve read.

 

[uscnoklahoma2]

Well, when you put it that way, yeah. People are stupid panicky sheep. By the way, what is the deal with the TP? That is quite the phenomenon that we can all agree is baffling, right? I mean, no stores here have any. It's insane. Are people expecting bouts of diarrhea or something?

I guess the thought of being quarantined but hell as long as there's napkins or water or mismatched socks Im good. Lol. I hunt so its no big deal to me.

 

[kidrobinski]

Have you read the articles? What I’ve read makes 100% perfect sense.

What “articles”? And how is it you can assure us that the CDC statistics are not being released because they “don’t want people to panic”?

 

[OldWiseCock]

Same here, but regarding the level of panic, why? As I said elsewhere, something just does not add up and I do not get the sense that it’s because “they” know something that we don’t. Everyone knows we had h1n1 back in 2009; I remember well because I caught it. Everyone knows the numbers from that, and there was no panic at all back then.

All the reporting just seems very vague and almost sketchy to me; I know that will annoy some, I’m sorry. This just doesn’t pass the sniff test imo.

I’m 66 also btw.

No, I agree - it's not because "they" know something we don't know. At least about the disease. I think the panic because of what we don't know.

I think the Federal Reserve acted because they DO know something we don't know. That is, they know that overnight lending has stopped (just like 2008) because the parties do not believe that the other side of the transaction will be able to meet their obligation. The Fed has basically said, "we will backstop all these transactions with emergency 0% loans."

 

[Conway Gamecock]

Yeah the one 20-some person class argument was not thought out well enough. Through the course of a single school day, any particular kid, teacher, or staff may come in contact with hundreds of people in close quarters - just not all at once, but no one really ever does either.

You can go shopping at a crowded mall, and at any one moment in time be near 5-10 people, or even less, but spend 2 hours shopping and you come in contact with hundreds. That's the issue here: putting hundreds of people together into a single building footprint, and allow them to mill about each other for several hours every day......

 

[_NOVA_]

But who do those people go home to. Some of my students have parents nearing their 60’s. Some are getting raised by grandparents or people that are diabetic and have heart conditions.

Sure the kids statistically will be fine, but the people they could give it to could not be.

Exactly. Kids are essentially asymptomatic carriers of this virus. They exhibit mild or no symptoms, but remain highly contagious. And kids are, of course, highly susceptible to these sorts of viruses because they are inherently unsanitary.

Having consulted for the medical industry off and on for years, it is completely founded on supply and demand. There are roughly as many doctors, nurses, beds, equipment, and medication as forecasters say are needed. There isn’t really any surge provision. You aren’t going to magically find more nurses or beds in just a few months time. If this is potentially fatal to 2% of all people over 60, that’s around 70 million people who are now at risk. With this being highly contagious, you can easily envision a scenario where 60 to 80 percent of that population is infected over 12 to 24 month period, unless a vaccine is created. The key will be to spread out those infections over 12 to 24 months, otherwise the hospital system in this country will buckle and possible collapse in some places. Which is currently happening in Italy and surely happened in China.

 

[OldWiseCock]

Sorry - they are being transparent, but they aren’t fully releasing the results of their models on potential scenrario impacts. This is per a few articles I’ve read.

I've heard this too, but I think the reason they have not released those models is because they don't have enough data yet to make those models reasonably reliable. They could be off by a factor of 2 or 3. We will soon get an idea of how deadly this disease is as public health agencies around the country start reporting reliable numbers on the spread and the mortality. That should be over the next month or two. Maybe sooner.

 

[JeffTweedyFan]

What baffles me is all the talk of the schools still providing meals for kids during the school closings and how they are going to distribute them.. when the hell did it become the schools job to provide meals?

Wow.

 

[king ward]

But who do those people go home to. Some of my students have parents nearing their 60’s. Some are getting raised by grandparents or people that are diabetic and have heart conditions.

Sure the kids statistically will be fine, but the people they could give it to could not be.

We are going to mastermind our way into a social and economic disaster that will dwarf the medical crisis. Watch and see. I'm not saying it will all be about the schools, either. They are now going to start taking people's ability to earn away. Not well-off people, either. And will those people ever be fully redressed? Not likely.

 

[Gamecockben1979]

We are going to mastermind our way into a social and economic disaster that will dwarf the medical crisis. Watch and see. I'm not saying it will all be about the schools, either. They are now going to start taking people's ability to earn away. Not well-off people, either. And will those people ever be fully redressed? Not likely.

The economic impact will be devastating. I got an email about a trip to Vegas. But I like to gamble and there’s nothing to gamble on. I have a family member that owns a business selling cruises. I wonder if the business will survive. It may take the better part of a year or more before Americans feel comfortable doing this. We will bounce back, the question is when.

However all of that pales in to comparison to the potential for losing human life.

 

[JeffTweedyFan]

The economic impact will be devastating. I got an email about a trip to Vegas. But I like to gamble and there’s nothing to gamble on. I have a family member that owns a business selling cruises. I wonder if the business will survive. It may take the better part of a year or more before Americans feel comfortable doing this. We will bounce back, the question is when.

However all of that pales in to comparison to the potential for losing human life.

One of my good friends is a self employed musician and plays for various symphonies. Over the weekend two of the symphonies cancelled, plus a ballet she was to play for. Not to mention weddings have cancelled. She doesn't get paid if she doesn't play so people like her are already feeling the effects.

 

[Gamecockben1979]

One of my good friends is a self employed musician and plays for various symphonies. Over the weekend two of the symphonies cancelled, plus a ballet she was to play for. Not to mention weddings have cancelled. She doesn't get paid if she doesn't play so people like her are already feeling the effects.

Agree. This will no doubt cripple a lot of businesses in the tourism, restaurant and entertainment business. Any business that requires in person social interaction. Businesses are going to have to survive at least 3-4 months of devastation.

Of course the individual stories are even more scary. Sad.

 

[Gamecockben1979]

One of my good friends is a self employed musician and plays for various symphonies. Over the weekend two of the symphonies cancelled, plus a ballet she was to play for. Not to mention weddings have cancelled. She doesn't get paid if she doesn't play so people like her are already feeling the effects.

I hope as Americans we can pull together to help these people out as much as possible. I am so fortunate that I will get paid and my wife will too. If one of us was affected we would likely have to make tough decisions like selling our home. The other issue is who is really looking to buy at this current time. So even that could be an issue. It’s a great home in a great market, but who is going to look for homes in a quarantine?

 

[OldWiseCock]

We are going to mastermind our way into a social and economic disaster that will dwarf the medical crisis. Watch and see. I'm not saying it will all be about the schools, either. They are now going to start taking people's ability to earn away. Not well-off people, either. And will those people ever be fully redressed? Not likely.

If that happens there will be social unrest. Maybe rioting. State and local governments better start planning how they are going to handle it. I'd start with food and water distribution plans. Then I'd put together some sort of medical contingency. Tents to house the sick and extra ventilators to help those who are having trouble breathing.

Do it now.

 

[viennacocks]

Yes, screw the teachers. Their pay is worth the risk.

The economic impact will be devastating. I got an email about a trip to Vegas. But I like to gamble and there’s nothing to gamble on. I have a family member that owns a business selling cruises. I wonder if the business will survive. It may take the better part of a year or more before Americans feel comfortable doing this. We will bounce back, the question is when.

However all of that pales in to comparison to the potential for losing human life.

I feel for the small business and even big business. Not sure I'm very sympathetic to your desire to gamble being impacted by the virus.

 

[Jpcooper]

I understand why. But feels a tad early for SC. I figured schools would remain open till at least Thursday or make it this whole week.

If 38% of our healthcare workers have kids is it reasonable to think that prob 28% of those have options for childcare with another parent or friend for a couple weeks. Especially since all the teachers will be home.

So in that sense, yea losing 10% of the work force to prevent a half million simultaneous sick people in SC to some manageable number of 10,000 or so yea is an easier choice to make.

Lowering the contagious curve is crucial to lowering the mortality rate.

The teachers will not be home. My daughter is a teacher and she still has to report to the school. Now she is Berkeley county and they are fully capable of eschooling as they have had the capability and have used it fir over 3 years. Most districts in the state are not a participant in the program. All children are issued google chrome books or something of that nature first week of school and use them all year.

 

[Jpcooper]

What schools closed? The whole state? Does it include tech schools and colleges?

Yes all schools pk1-12, college, technical, trade etc

 

[king ward]

If that happens there will be social unrest. Maybe rioting. State and local governments better start planning how they are going to handle it. I'd start with food and water distribution plans. Then I'd put together some sort of medical contingency. Tents to house the sick and extra ventilators to help those who are having trouble breathing.

Do it now.

Sensible, civil, and worth considering.

 

[king ward]

...However all of that pales in to comparison to the potential for losing human life.

I hear you, and it is a disarming statement. But you also know how it is with the human being. Depending on the severity of the economic and social outcome, millions of people who profess humanitarianism now - I'm certainly not saying this fits you - won't be thinking that way then. This is the United States. The opportunity to live is of utmost importance to the living. But when people believe viability is secured, the opportunity to live well will move to the forefront. If that prospect is endangered or, worse yet, removed, there are going to be seismic ramifications because, at that time, the virus will be largely behind us.

 

[usc01#]

The economic impact will be devastating. I got an email about a trip to Vegas. But I like to gamble and there’s nothing to gamble on. I have a family member that owns a business selling cruises. I wonder if the business will survive. It may take the better part of a year or more before Americans feel comfortable doing this. We will bounce back, the question is when.

However all of that pales in to comparison to the potential for losing human life.

I’m more concerned about the economic devastation that this will have on not only our economy but the economies worldwide. Again, are bills (mortgages, rent, car payments, etc, etc) going to stop for these folks? (ESPECIALLY the employees that work for small businesses—most aren’t sitting on a pile of cash to be able to handle any time being shut down even temporarily)

In regards to the loss of human life; unfortunately we are all going to die. That’s just a (unfortunate) fact of life and it is DEVASTATING when you lose someone you love—I lost my Dad in November of 2018 after a 15 month battle with pancreatic cancer (which is one of the worst things you can imagine). But, everyday in this world we lose on average 150,000 people worldwide. That works out to 1,015,000 per week, over 52,000,000 per year. I’ll ask again; what are we doing here? We are working ourselves up in a tizzy over a virus that has killed a little over 6,500 people worldwide over 5 months? Again; it is HORRIBLE that folks have lost their lives to this virus. Unfortunately because of this mass hysteria this will cripple the economy for the foreseeable future and I don’t think the majority of people out there understand this.

 

[Johnnie Cockran]

I’m more concerned about the economic devastation that this will have on not only our economy but the economies worldwide. Again, are bills (mortgages, rent, car payments, etc, etc) going to stop for these folks? (ESPECIALLY the employees that work for small businesses—most aren’t sitting on a pile of cash to be able to handle any time being shut down even temporarily)

In regards to the loss of human life; unfortunately we are all going to die. That’s just a (unfortunate) fact of life and it is DEVASTATING when you lose someone you love—I lost my Dad in November of 2018 after a 15 month battle with pancreatic cancer (which is one of the worst things you can imagine). But, everyday in this world we lose on average 150,000 people worldwide. That works out to 1,015,000 per week, over 52,000,000 per year. I’ll ask again; what are we doing here? We are working ourselves up in a tizzy over a virus that has killed a little over 6,500 people worldwide over 5 months? Again; it is HORRIBLE that folks have lost their lives to this virus. Unfortunately because of this mass hysteria this will cripple the economy for the foreseeable future and I don’t think the majority of people out there understand this.

THIS.

 

[Gamecockben1979]

I feel for the small business and even big business. Not sure I'm very sympathetic to your desire to gamble being impacted by the virus.

I didn’t want you to care about that. The point is what would draw me out there to spend my free money at the casinos, restaurants, clubs, airports, etc....is not there thus effecting those businesses.

 

[Gamecockben1979]

I’ll ask again; what are we doing here? We are working ourselves up in a tizzy over a virus that has killed a little over 6,500 people worldwide over 5 months?

We’re making sure this doesn’t resemble the Spanish Flu of 1918-1920 which killed 50 million people.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...philadelphia-1918-spanish-flu-trnd/index.html

 

[Sending an SOS]

I’m more concerned about the economic devastation that this will have on not only our economy but the economies worldwide. Again, are bills (mortgages, rent, car payments, etc, etc) going to stop for these folks? (ESPECIALLY the employees that work for small businesses—most aren’t sitting on a pile of cash to be able to handle any time being shut down even temporarily)

In regards to the loss of human life; unfortunately we are all going to die. That’s just a (unfortunate) fact of life and it is DEVASTATING when you lose someone you love—I lost my Dad in November of 2018 after a 15 month battle with pancreatic cancer (which is one of the worst things you can imagine). But, everyday in this world we lose on average 150,000 people worldwide. That works out to 1,015,000 per week, over 52,000,000 per year. I’ll ask again; what are we doing here? We are working ourselves up in a tizzy over a virus that has killed a little over 6,500 people worldwide over 5 months? Again; it is HORRIBLE that folks have lost their lives to this virus. Unfortunately because of this mass hysteria this will cripple the economy for the foreseeable future and I don’t think the majority of people out there understand this.

Because of you don’t do anything, those numbers will be much worse. Pretty simple to understand if you ask me...

 

[Gamecockben1979]

I hear you, and it is a disarming statement. But you also know how it is with the human being. Depending on the severity of the economic and social outcome, millions of people who profess humanitarianism now - I'm certainly not saying this fits you - won't be thinking that way then. This is the United States. The opportunity to live is of utmost importance to the living. But when people believe viability is secured, the opportunity to live well will move to the forefront. If that prospect is endangered or, worse yet, removed, there are going to be seismic ramifications because, at that time, the virus will be largely behind us.

I get what you’re saying. I too share concern that while some people will survive, they could be financially ruined by this crisis. In fact I believe it will be some of my loved ones. Probably some of yours too.

 

[king ward]

I get what you’re saying. I too share concern that while some people will survive, they could be financially ruined by this crisis. In fact I believe it will be some of my loved ones. Probably some of yours too.

Certainly. A fixed income, as long as it is adequate, never looked so good.

 

[Gamecockben1979]

I’ll give you that but we have:
1. A virus not slowing down to what we have
2. Anti vaxxers
3. People not quarantining as asked.

I wouldn’t be surprised if in 3 months we’re facing an Italy type situation here.

 

[kidrobinski]

We’re making sure this doesn’t resemble the Spanish Flu of 1918-1920 which killed 50 million people.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...philadelphia-1918-spanish-flu-trnd/index.html

Yeah; I’m just not sold on that. 1918 Philadelphia did not have the inoculations and vaccines that all/most of us have gotten over the course of our lives, nor did they have the health care/hygiene practices and conditions that we have had. There is something about this that does not add up. I know others feel differently.

 

[usc01#]

We’re making sure this doesn’t resemble the Spanish Flu of 1918-1920 which killed 50 million people.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...philadelphia-1918-spanish-flu-trnd/index.html

You cannot compare the Spanish Flu in 1918 to what is going on today. We have had so many advances in Modern Medicine in the last 100 years. We didn’t even have antibiotics back then! There is a reason why the life expectancy was 53 years in 1918 and 78 years in 2018. Please do better than this...

 

[kidrobinski]

I’ll give you that but we have:
1. A virus not slowing down to what we have
2. Anti vaxxers
3. People not quarantining as asked.

I wouldn’t be surprised if in 3 months we’re facing an Italy type situation here.

I’m not seeing that scenario here. I guess we’ll find out. From everything I personally have read, seen, and experienced, at the moment I think our reaction is insane. Again I know others believe differently.

 

[usc01#]

Because of you don’t do anything, those numbers will be much worse. Pretty simple to understand if you ask me...

Much worse? How much? 6,200 have lost their lives worldwide to this virus over a 5 month period. (While over 20 million have passed from this life over that same time frame)

 

[Sending an SOS]

Much worse? How much? 6,200 have lost their lives worldwide to this virus over a 5 month period. (While over 20 million have passed from this life over that same time frame)

This is much more controllable than the lives of 20M people. Why wouldn’t we want an intervention?

 

[Sending an SOS]

I’m not seeing that scenario here. I guess we’ll find out. From everything I personally have read, seen, and experienced, at the moment I think our reaction is insane. Again I know others believe differently.

You haven’t seen anything yet. Just wait until martial law is imposed and the country goes on national lockdown. It’s coming. You can bank on it. You heard it here first...

 

[usc01#]

This is much more controllable than the lives of 20M people. Why wouldn’t we want an intervention?

.00031% of those that have passed in the worldwide population over the last 5 months because of this virus (or the complication from it). That’s worldwide. In the US over that time frame we’ve lost about 70 lives that would be .0000035%. Those are the hard numbers of this thing as of today. Projections are just that—hell, a couple months ago; people were projecting the DOW was going to hit 40,000–how’s that one working out? I just don’t think we need to bring the economy to a total halt—which, again, I believe will be the biggest story when this is all said and done. And could really, really hurt more than this. That is just my honest opinion. I know you don’t agree with it and that’s okay.

 

[king ward]

I’ll give you that but we have:
1. A virus not slowing down to what we have
2. Anti vaxxers
3. People not quarantining as asked.

I wouldn’t be surprised if in 3 months we’re facing an Italy type situation here.

I would not risk saying anything definite. This is a very fluid situation. I do not expect a scenario of Italian proportions here. But some of the factors you mentioned bear watching. I read earlier today about a guy in Kentucky who has the virus and is under police guard at his house because he refuses to stay there. People like him really have to be forcibly isolated.

 

[Sending an SOS]

.00031% of those that have passed in the worldwide population over the last 5 months because of this virus (or the complication from it). That’s worldwide. In the US over that time frame we’ve lost about 70 lives that would be .0000035%. Those are the hard numbers of this thing as of today. Projections are just that—hell, a couple months ago; people were projecting the DOW was going to hit 40,000–how’s that one working out? I just don’t think we need to bring the economy to a total halt—which, again, I believe will be the biggest story when this is all said and done. And could really, really hurt more than this. That is just my honest opinion. I know you don’t agree with it and that’s okay.

I hate to tell you, but the Dow was already set for a decline. Investors were just waiting for a reason. I’m not sure who told you about the 40,000 sentiment, but everything I heard was the exact opposite - most saw a recession coming within 12-24 months. So it’s basically here, despite some of the traditional signs not showing. The difference is that the markets could recover fairly quickly once this thing goes away.

But...

This is only the beginning. Businesses will go bankrupt most likely. People will lose jobs too. Sounds ominous but not nearly as ominous as thousands of people losing their lives (and jobs and markets crashing).

 

[Gamecockben1979]

I’m not seeing that scenario here. I guess we’ll find out. From everything I personally have read, seen, and experienced, at the moment I think our reaction is insane. Again I know others believe differently.

Rumor is we could be under curfew soon. This is just the beginning.