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Has anyone pulled their kids out of public school

Appreciate the caveat. I believe our church will do it right down the line. We have a non-clergy professional administrator to handle all areas of risk and compliance.
Just remember a school does not fit under the same exempt purpose as a church. It requires a separate exemption eventhough both are 501c3 entities. I taught a CLE on this topic a few years ago. It was attended by quite a few clergy.
 
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Kids NEED to be taught successful personal finance, math, PE, and if there’s time left after those are MASTERED, then you could add basic building construction, electrical, plumbing, auto mechanics, hvac etc. other than those useful tools forget it. I believe if everyone pulled the kids out across the country we could do a hard reset and end this disaster called public education. Byeee to all the teachers unions and child abuse.

Not sure why we need to be teaching anything but the three R's and life skills.
I have come to the conclusion lately that most teachers cant even balance a checkbook or explain basic financial material since they were never taught it themselves. Instead we wandered off into this maze of worthless junk in schools which does zero to prepare students for real life.
 
Music, history, literature, etc. is what schools should be teaching. All the other things you listed prior is what parents should be teaching.
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Ok, so no math, PE, finance or useful skills that you can use for a lifetime………. Schools are useless in this case. DEFUND public schools and move along. Nothing to see here. Lol
 
There are public vocational schools that kids can go to.

But why isn't it the default?

At this point, I truly believe there are fundamental reasons for it. I see businesses fail all of the time because they don't know the basics, 50 year-olds who still owe student loans. Same with health - most people think eating a frozen veggie pizza is doing them well.

These are tools of life which everyone should possess.
 
Not sure why we need to be teaching anything but the three R's and life skills.
I have come to the conclusion lately that most teachers cant even balance a checkbook or explain basic financial material since they were never taught it themselves. Instead we wandered off into this maze of worthless junk in schools which does zero to prepare students for real life.
Bingo!
 
Critical Race Theory is not taught in NC public schools. Where do you live? California?

But yeah I send my kids to private school. And the education is probably more liberal than public school and it’s more expensive than sending a kid to instate public college.
 
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Not sure why we need to be teaching anything but the three R's and life skills.
I have come to the conclusion lately that most teachers cant even balance a checkbook or explain basic financial material since they were never taught it themselves. Instead we wandered off into this maze of worthless junk in schools which does zero to prepare students for real life.
Isn't that what parents are for?
 
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Ok, so no math, PE, finance or useful skills that you can use for a lifetime………. Schools are useless in this case. DEFUND public schools and move along. Nothing to see here. Lol
Math and PE, yes.

Useful skills for life are what parents are for.
 
Math and PE, yes.

Useful skills for life are what parents are for.
Ironically I agree. Children today should be fully educated by parents. Go back to one worker families and teach our children with full and total control. It’s the only way to save our kids.
 
The real question is What are today’s teachers for?
Well, if your kids didn't learn under them, that's your and their problem.

Mine did very well. One graduated from Davidson last year with honors. The other finished her first year at Miami (OH) on the Dean's List. Public school teachers did an excellent job of preparing them. I taught them how to balance a checkbook, change the oil and tires on the car, and similar general knowledge.

EDIT: My wife insisted upon a correction. My wife insists she taught them how to change tires. Her dad and uncle used to race dirt track on the weekends and she helped out in the "pits" throughout high school and insists she changes a tire better and faster than I do. Frankly, she's probably right.
 
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If you’re pulling kids from public to go to private - I hope you know that the private is going to likely be more liberal.

Now you could get more conservative lessons if you send them to a private Christian school to have them brainwashed and indoctrinated into a cult. Then they’ll learn fairy tales about how the word was created and other nonsense.
 
Well, if your kids didn't learn under them, that's your and their problem.

Mine did very well. One graduated from Davidson last year with honors. The other finished her first year at Miami (OH) on the Dean's List. Public school teachers did an excellent job of preparing them. I taught the how to balance a checkbook, change the oil and tires on the car, and similar general knowledge.
My kids did ok in spite of the education system. I taught them what mattered and what didn’t. I gave them the freedom to pursue their talents and skills. They both excelled. One graduated from Carolina with engineering degree one took the Ged and skipped 12th grade. One is a self made millionaire the other is doing great but not there yet. Both are under 35
 
Still doesn't mean the school should raise the kids. Have the Y or the church teach the useful life skills courses if the parents aren't able.

I don't see that as raising kids at all. They are actually teaching them someone of use in this day and age.

And while I loathe pulling in the "R" card - this one makes me pause.
 
Well, if your kids didn't learn under them, that's your and their problem.

Mine did very well. One graduated from Davidson last year with honors. The other finished her first year at Miami (OH) on the Dean's List. Public school teachers did an excellent job of preparing them. I taught them how to balance a checkbook, change the oil and tires on the car, and similar general knowledge.
What you didn’t teach them was to think outside the box. College is worthless for ALL but a very few life choices. Totally unnecessary especially for sharp kids with amazing ideas and drive.
 
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My kids did ok in spite of the education system. I taught them what mattered and what didn’t. I gave them the freedom to pursue their talents and skills. They both excelled. One graduated from Carolina with engineering degree one took the Ged and skipped 12th grade. One is a self made millionaire the other is doing great but not there yet. Both are under 35
My dad was a design engineer, he loved it. He "fussed" when I became a "bean counter" and even more when I became an "ambulance chaser."
 
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What you didn’t teach them was to think outside the box. College is worthless for ALL but a very few life choices. Totally unnecessary especially for sharp kids with amazing ideas and drive.
Well, I did pretty well "not thinking outside the box" and they are doing fine also. Eventhough I am able and have the knowledge to I don't farm and raise cattle like my grandfather, but maybe he didn't think outside the box either.. He did fine.
 
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Then we dont need schools if its left up to parents that cant create a budget or use a hammer or prepare a meal to teach their kids.
Education should be about teaching people things that are useful to succeed in life. We should be teaching them how to think and not what to think.
That’s child abuse and anyone attempting to do this should be arrested and put on the chain gang for life. Fix our roads.
 
Well, I did pretty well "not thinking outside the box" and they are doing fine also. Eventhough I am able and have the knowledge to I don't farm and raise cattle like my grandfather, but maybe he didn't think outside the box either.. He did fine.
You can always get by one way or another but it’s nice to understand why you’ve been “taught” inside the box.
 
Then we dont need schools if its left up to parents that cant create a budget or use a hammer or prepare a meal to teach their kids.
Education should be about teaching people things that are useful to succeed in life. We should be teaching them how to think and not what to think.
Never seen a school teach a kid what to think. I've seen them provide the knowledge and learn where to find it so they can think on their own.
 
Never seen a school teach a kid what to think. I've seen them provide the knowledge and learn where to find it so they can think on their own.
Check the big city streets. They are the true walking brain dead. It’s a shame to waste a brain!
 
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Well, I did pretty well "not thinking outside the box" and they are doing fine also. Eventhough I am able and have the knowledge to I don't farm and raise cattle like my grandfather, but maybe he didn't think outside the box either.. He did fine.

In your case that worked out because you likely have an above average intelligence level
How is the average child supposed to learn basic life skills in todays society when the parent(s) has no clue? And yes the average parent has no clue and' even with the ones that do, its impossible to know everything. Thats why teachers are presumably specialized in certain subjects.
Relying on parents to educate their kids is doing a disservice to the children and to society. It also disproportionately affects poor families and single parent families and perpetuates generational poverty and government dependence.
 
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Never seen a school teach a kid what to think. I've seen them provide the knowledge and learn where to find it so they can think on their own.

You have never seen a school, or more specifically a teacher, teach a pupil what to think?
Really?
That is literally all the educational system, especially most universities and colleges, are doing now.
 
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In your case that worked out because you likely have an above average intelligence level
How is the average child supposed to learn basic life skills in todays society when the parent(s) has no clue? And yes the average parent has no clue and' even with the ones that do, its impossible to know everything. Thats why teachers are presumably specialized in certain subjects.
Relying on parents to educate their kids is doing a disservice to the children and to society. It also disproportionately affects poor families and single parent families and perpetuates generational poverty and government dependence.
Fine. Students typically have two or more elective periods so that they can choose to take upper level classes. Come up with a curriculum, change the graduation requirements to add a "Life Skills" course, and hire the teachers to teach it. It would simply add one additional course requirement to graduate.

Seen a lot of people complaining about it, including legislators, but have yet to see anyone propose such a change in the Statehouse.
 
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You have never seen a school, or more specifically a teacher, teach a pupil what to think?
Really?
That is literally all the educational system, especially most universities and colleges, are doing now.
NEVER. I've seen debates, professors attempting to get student to think about a problem or issue in a different manner, teaching them to analyze an issue and argue for and against. But have never, ever, seen any professor attempt to doctrinate a student.
 
Fine. Students typically have two or more elective periods so that they can choose to take upper level classes. Come up with a curriculum, change the graduation requirements to add a "Life Skills" course, and hire the teachers to teach it. It would simply add one additional course requirement to graduate.

Seen a lot of people complaining about it, including legislators, but have yet to see anyone propose such a change in the Statehouse.

You are correct on the last paragraph.
I disagree on these being elective courses. Some of the crap classes we have now should be elective and basic financial knowledge should be a requirement.
 
NEVER. I've seen debates, professors attempting to get student to think about a problem or issue in a different manner, teaching them to analyze an issue and argue for and against. But have never, ever, seen any professor attempt to doctrinate a student.

Ok but well its rampant across the system.
 
sYou are correct on the last paragraph.
I disagree on these being elective courses. Some of the crap classes we have now should be elective and basic financial knowledge should be a requirement.
I am not saying these are elective courses. Many students by the time they are Seniors are able to leave early because they only need one or two classes to meet their graduation requirements. Some actually use those to take advanced courses like Calculus, AP History, etc.... Simply add a class in Life Skills and make it mandatory for graduation.
 
I am not saying these are elective courses. Many students by the time they are Seniors are able to leave early because they only need one or two classes to meet their graduation requirements. Some actually use those to take advanced courses like Calculus, AP History, etc.... Simply add a class in Life Skills and make it mandatory for graduation.

My daughter had a semester of college credits for Furman before she graduated high school so i get it.
Guess who had to teach her how to read a financial report and do a budget and balance her checking account? Me
When they bought their first house, you know who had to explain an amortization schedule? Me
No one that smart should have never been taught these things.
She does know a lot more than i do about art history and ceramics though.
Point is not that she didnt learn these things, its that it isnt out there even being taught.
 
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Fine. Students typically have two or more elective periods so that they can choose to take upper level classes. Come up with a curriculum, change the graduation requirements to add a "Life Skills" course, and hire the teachers to teach it. It would simply add one additional course requirement to graduate.

Seen a lot of people complaining about it, including legislators, but have yet to see anyone propose such a change in the Statehouse.

The older I get, the more I'm fascinated by how we got here. I'm sure that's an open-ended feeling that probably will never resolve.

You're a corporate attorney - Does the SEC's accredited investor rule make any sense beyond restricting access for the privileged? "If you have a million dollars in the bank, only then can you participate in VC deals and dump on retail at public release."

Meanwhile, there are TV ads running all day for the lottery which you can access on foot from any street block and proceed blow your entire savings. These are the oddities that make me believe there's a group pulling levers behind the curtain. Same with education.
 
My daughter had a semester of college credits for Furman before she graduated high school so i get it.
Guess who had to teach her how to read a financial report and do a budget and balance her checking account? Me
When they bought their first house, you know who had to explain an amortization schedule? Me
No one that smart should have never been taught these things.
She does know a lot more than i do about art history and ceramics though.
Point is not that she didnt learn these things, its that it isnt out there even being taught.
I'm not saying it is. I just tried to give a solution for a part of it....it probably can't cover everything but it can get some basic stuff out of the way. My first job out of USC was commercial lending at a bank that no longer exists (pre interstate banking). Each summer for two year I had to teach a course on how the read a financial statement and prepare an amortization table and other basic Finance principles to the new bank employees (college graduates) in their branch bank management program. They like to hire college graduate with liberal arts degrees to deal with personal and home loans because they were better salesmen than the accountants and finance people. I'm old...so obviously these thing haven't been taught for a long time....not just recently.
 
Where? What specific examples are there of this occurring?

There are many examples but i am not going to go into specifics not because i don't know of any but rather because this discussion would then be reduced to the sources of such information arguments.
If you cant see whats happening right now then you either arent looking or agree with it.
 
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