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Has anyone pulled their kids out of public school

I'm not saying it is. I just tried to give a solution for a part of it....it probably can't cover everything but it can get some basic stuff out of the way. My first job out of USC was commercial lending at a bank that no longer exists (pre interstate banking). Each summer for two year I had to teach a course on how the read a financial statement and prepare an amortization table and other basic Finance principles to the new bank employees (college graduates) in their branch bank management program. They like to hire college graduate with liberal arts degrees to deal with personal and home loans because they were better salesmen than the accountants and finance people. I'm old...so obviously these thing haven't been taught for a long time....not just recently.

Likely true. Im old too and i suppose the only reason i was taught these things was because i was an accounting major.
Crazy to think one needs to major in freakin accounting to understand a paycheck stub. That should be basic educational stuff
 
The older I get, the more I'm fascinated by how we got here. I'm sure that's an open-ended feeling that probably will never resolve.

You're a corporate attorney - Does the SEC's accredited investor rule make any sense beyond restricting access for the privileged? "If you have a million dollars in the bank, only then can you participate in VC deals and dump on retail at public release."

Meanwhile, there are TV ads running all day for the lottery which you can access on foot from any street block and proceed blow your entire savings. These are the oddities that make me believe there's a group pulling levers behind the curtain. Same with education.
I typically handle small to medium sized businesses, so I don't get involved in SEC issues. Usually advising how to avoid SEC issues....and occasionally get involved in the sophisticated investor rule. Its been since my law school securities courses since I've heard the accredited investor rule, but you could be right as to its purpose or simply its effect.

The lottery is a tax on the stupid.
 
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That decision is looking for us next year. Don’t know what to do. All we have here is public school, but that’s just not really an option with what they are teaching kids these days. May end up moving out of state to have access to Christian schools.
 
I typically handle small to medium sized businesses, so I don't get involved in SEC issues. Usually advising how to avoid SEC issues....and occasionally get involved in the sophisticated investor rule. Its been since my law school securities courses since I've heard the accredited investor rule, but you could be right as to its purpose or simply its effect.

The lottery is a tax on the stupid.

We agree on something!!
 
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There are many examples but i am not going to go into specifics not because i don't know of any but rather because this discussion would then be reduced to the sources of such information arguments.
If you cant see whats happening right now then you either arent looking or agree with it.
I once taught a course in Morality and the Law at a small college. I often played the devil's advocate taking very different positions in order to get the students to think, occasionally get mad, and most important give me a good debate...and I would keep pushing them. If someone casually walked into my classroom to observe and they held a particular political belief, be it liberal or conservative, one day they would love what I was saying....another day they would absolutely hate it. Honestly most parents, especially in high school, would probably hate my method....but the kids learned to think about issues from different sides.
 
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That decision is looking for us next year. Don’t know what to do. All we have here is public school, but that’s just not really an option with what they are teaching kids these days. May end up moving out of state to have access to Christian schools.

While i agree on your reasoning for wanting to get out of public schools, having to send them to Christian schools in order to receive a sound education merely moves the indoctrination meter from one side to the other.
Before you say thats not a bad thing, i agree with you. Christian values are how we should live.
I guess what i am trying to say is that education needs to be a neutral experience void from all biases, at least as much as possible.
Why shouldn't us tax payers expect at least that?
 
Where? What specific examples are there of this occurring?
This is my personal experience, so obviously it's anecdotal, but you asked for specific examples. I've mentioned these before on here.

In a post-1865 history class at USC...you know, the kind with a million students held in an auditorium....the day after the 1994 elections, the professor spent the entire class talking about what a disaster it was and how women and minorities should be afraid. He also lied...or was wrong...and said that the only reason the GOP did so well was because they outspent the dims.

In a freshman English class on the first day, the instructor asked us to write a one page paper on any topic we liked so that she could get a gauge on our writing skills. I wrote mine on why I enjoyed Lewis Grizzard's humor. She gave me my paper back and said I had to write one on a different topic because Grizzard was a "racist and misogynist." All these years and I still remember that as an exact quote.

I had an adviser at USC tell me that Republicans were a party of racists that only cared about white men. I never had him for a class, but he was a professor. This came up as we were having a casual conversation about how I was enjoying meeting so many new people at USC. I can't imagine what he would've said if we had been arguing.
 
Still doesn't mean the school should raise the kids. Have the Y or the church teach the useful life skills courses if the parents aren't able.
Typical parent that doesn’t support public education holding SC public school teachers to a standard to teach his kid every life skill but heck if he’s going to take time out of his busy day to do it….or just plead ignorance.

If my kid becomes 18 and doesn’t understand balancing an account, establishing credit and how to change a tire…I would look in the mirror. But then again, I don’t blame schools for my kids not turning out the way I think they should.
 
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What a crock of $hit. So let me guess, public school teachers take a job with tremendously less pay just to brainwash your kids. Please tell me you’re smarter than this.

I believe he was referring to how teachers weren't teaching basic life skills and it was being left up to parents.
What he was replying to had nothing to do with "brainwashing." That came up later. Try to keep up.
 
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What a crock of $hit. So let me guess, public school teachers take a job with tremendously less pay just to brainwash your kids. Please tell me you’re smarter than this.
My mom was a teacher for 32 years and helped a lot of kids. That ended in the last decade or so. Today’s teachers don’t know any better. They are on a mission designed and put into play by the power hungry politicians. If your unaware you must be blind or possibly part of the processors who think they are helping our poor failing children with no other source of guidance.
 
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Again, what does that have to do with pulling your kids out today? Because your parents did it 50 years ago, the people today must be doing it for the exact same reasons?
I don’t have a dog in this fight…both my kids are out of college now and are doing extremely well. Went to public schools their whole life. Not sure why parents are pulling their kids out of public schools to be honest. Early 70s it was because segregation now I’m assuming it’s political.
 
My mom was a teacher for 32 years and helped a lot of kids. That ended in the last decade or so. Today’s teachers don’t know any better. They are on a mission designed and put into play by the power hungry politicians. If your unaware you must be blind or possibly part of the processors who think they are helping our poor failing children with no other source of guidance.
Most of the teachers that I know (including my sister) are having to spend so much time getting kids prepared for all the State standardized testing that they don't have time to teach anything from a particular point of view. It's all about getting the kids prepared to take all the required tests. The worse thing that has happened is that teachers can't fail kids anymore....they have to pass them whether they can do the work or not. That does not come from the teachers, that comes down from the state.
 
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My mom was a teacher for 32 years and helped a lot of kids. That ended in the last decade or so. Today’s teachers don’t know any better. They are on a mission designed and put into play by the power hungry politicians. If your unaware you must be blind or possibly part of the processors who think they are helping our poor failing children with no other source of guidance.
You’re blissfully ignorant by putting all of any profession into a category. There are good cops and bad cops. Good doctors and bad. Same with teachers.

My oldest child is a SC public school kid and already exploring Ivy League options. Education hasn’t changed much but man the parents and the kids sure have……
 
Typical parent that doesn’t support public education holding SC public school teachers to a standard to teach his kid every life skill but heck if he’s going to take time out of his busy day to do it….or just plead ignorance.

If my kid becomes 18 and doesn’t understand balancing an account, establishing credit and how to change a tire…I would look in the mirror. But then again, I don’t blame schools for my kids not turning out the way I think they should.

Glad you can teach that. Some of us can but others cant.
Lack of basic financial and economic knowledge is partly, if it mostly, what is driving the increasing gap between the haves and the have nots.
Those that get it not only prosper because they get it but also because they are able to exploit others that have no clue.
How many people buy something today solely based on a monthly payment? My point.
Thus my earlier statement that this perpetuates generational poverty and government dependence.
Im not sure that the elites really care that the minions stay in the dark about this actually. Easier to control the dependant.
 
While i agree on your reasoning for wanting to get out of public schools, having to send them to Christian schools in order to receive a sound education merely moves the indoctrination meter from one side to the other.
Before you say thats not a bad thing, i agree with you. Christian values are how we should live.
I guess what i am trying to say is that education needs to be a neutral experience void from all biases, at least as much as possible.
Why shouldn't us tax payers expect at least that?

Well, it depends on your world view. I have a Christian world view and want a school that reinforces what we teach at home. Don’t want to send them to a public school and be undermined and have to constantly correct what they learn at school. A Christian school isn’t a be-all end-all. Education still starts at home and school merely supplements that.
 
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I believe he was referring to how teachers weren't teaching basic life skills and it was being left up to parents.
What he was replying to had nothing to do with "brainwashing." That came up later. Try to keep up.
Enlighten me what isn’t being taught since I’m not “keeping up”. And again do you expect your teacher to raise your kid or is that your job?
 
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Ok, so no math, PE, finance or useful skills that you can use for a lifetime………. Schools are useless in this case. DEFUND public schools and move along. Nothing to see here. Lol
So we defund public schools, in which case kids will be forced to go to private schools…knowing 90% of the families can’t afford private schools. So now we are left with 50 million kids who have no where to go but home schooling. How about we spend more money on public education and just make it better.
 
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I believe he was referring to how teachers weren't teaching basic life skills and it was being left up to parents.
What he was replying to had nothing to do with "brainwashing." That came up later. Try to keep
Typical parent that doesn’t support public education holding SC public school teachers to a standard to teach his kid every life skill but heck if he’s going to take time out of his busy day to do it….or just plead ignorance.

If my kid becomes 18 and doesn’t understand balancing an account, establishing credit and how to change a tire…I would look in the mirror. But then again, I don’t blame schools for my kids not turning out the way I think they should.
I agree and with that being said the success or failure of a child is the total responsibility of the parents. Scrap the public education system and make it teach what we decide as parents, not what outsiders decide. That’s our job.
 
Glad you can teach that. Some of us can but others cant.
Lack of basic financial and economic knowledge is partly, if it mostly, what is driving the increasing gap between the haves and the have nots.
Those that get it not only prosper because they get it but also because they are able to exploit others that have no clue.
How many people buy something today solely based on a monthly payment? My point.
Thus my earlier statement that this perpetuates generational poverty and government dependence.
Im not sure that the elites really care that the minions stay in the dark about this actually. Easier to control the dependant.

If I’m being perfectly honest I had a kid on Facebook send me a message about how I taught him about credit and how he’s become a cop and bought a house and stretched his money.

The problem is that kid LISTENED and most of the other 30 in that same room that should have been listening were vaping in the bathroom, sleeping, cutting class, texting, sexting or doing something else while I was teaching it. But yeah let’s blame the teacher…..
 
What you didn’t teach them was to think outside the box. College is worthless for ALL but a very few life choices. Totally unnecessary especially for sharp kids with amazing ideas and drive.
I actually agree with this…more kids should learn a specific skill like A/C, wielding, electricians…etc. My AC guy has a Chemical Engineer degree and toyed with AC units. Now that all he does and killing it…
 
This is my personal experience, so obviously it's anecdotal, but you asked for specific examples. I've mentioned these before on here.

In a post-1865 history class at USC...you know, the kind with a million students held in an auditorium....the day after the 1994 elections, the professor spent the entire class talking about what a disaster it was and how women and minorities should be afraid. He also lied...or was wrong...and said that the only reason the GOP did so well was because they outspent the dims.

In a freshman English class on the first day, the instructor asked us to write a one page paper on any topic we liked so that she could get a gauge on our writing skills. I wrote mine on why I enjoyed Lewis Grizzard's humor. She gave me my paper back and said I had to write one on a different topic because Grizzard was a "racist and misogynist." All these years and I still remember that as an exact quote.

I had an adviser at USC tell me that Republicans were a party of racists that only cared about white men. I never had him for a class, but he was a professor. This came up as we were having a casual conversation about how I was enjoying meeting so many new people at USC. I can't imagine what he would've said if we had been arguing.
At least you have specific things that you can point to that are all items of differing experiences. While I was at USC I had an opportunity to talk to Peggy Noonan as my poli-sci professor had worked with her over the years. At that time she was seen as a staunch conservative and true Republican but I know she’s now considered a borderline communist by some.

I had lots of instructors that talked about lots of things and some I agreed with and some I didn’t but I can’t say that I ever felt any of them tried to force anyone into thinking a certain way. Most encouraged critical thinking as long as it was based in fact and you could support your opinions. Some of the most enthusiastic discussions where I could say that there might have been a little less give was in a couple of the religion classes I took. Trying to discuss free will vs predestination can be a little intense for some.
 
I actually agree with this…more kids should learn a specific skill like A/C, wielding, electricians…etc. My AC guy has a Chemical Engineer degree and toyed with AC units. Now that all he does and killing it…
South Carolina has one of the best technical school systems in the country and they are located throughout the state. They are also inexpensive. So that option is definitely out there for anyone who chooses it.
 
You’re blissfully ignorant by putting all of any profession into a category. There are good cops and bad cops. Good doctors and bad. Same with teachers.

My oldest child is a SC public school kid and already exploring Ivy League options. Education hasn’t changed much but man the parents and the kids sure have……
The difference is we are prosecuting bad cops and doctors. Time to do the same with BAD teachers, the people we TRUST with our kids.
 
I agree and with that being said the success or failure of a child is the total responsibility of the parents. Scrap the public education system and make it teach what we decide as parents, not what outsiders decide. That’s our job.

We closed public schools for a couple of months and we see how that turned out. People lost their minds. You’d think they’d be more appreciative.

One day I’d like to see the public schools grow some stones and quit filling in all the gaps that parents aren’t providing…from child care to nutrition to athletics. It’ll never happen but it might wake some parents up to just how much these schools do for the kids and the community.
 
The difference is we are prosecuting bad cops and doctors. Time to do the same with BAD teachers, the people we TRUST with our kids.

So you want to pay teachers piss poorly (we’re probably around 40 in the nation) and then throw them in jail for what…poor test scores because Johnny can’t read? And that’s the teachers fault?
 
We closed public schools for a couple of months and we see how that turned out. People lost their minds. You’d think they’d be more appreciative.

One day I’d like to see the public schools grow some stones and quit filling in all the gaps that parents aren’t providing…from child care to nutrition to athletics. It’ll never happen but it might wake some parents up to just how much these schools do for the kids and the community.
Best thing that happened! The veil was pulled back and a lot of parents who were sleepwalking woke up and saw the abomination being taught in a lot of schools. I’m not saying all schools but unchecked it would’ve eventually been all.
 
Enlighten me what isn’t being taught since I’m not “keeping up”. And again do you expect your teacher to raise your kid or is that your job?

I didnt expect anyone to raise my child. They are raised and gone now.
I expected them to teach them to read and write and do math and learn how to think.
I didn't expect a babysitter and I certainly didnt expect them to tell them what to believe.
The parent cant be an expert in everything.
I sent them to swimming lessons to learn how to swim because i am not an expert in swimming even though i can swim.
What isnt being taught is how to exist in real life. Many surveys now indicate a lot of college graduates are unhappy with their lack of preparedness for the real world which is not being provided to them by our educational institutions.
Instead we have triggered softies with degrees that cant handle the basic tasks of a professional career
 
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So you want to pay teachers piss poorly (we’re probably around 40 in the nation) and then throw them in jail for what…poor test scores because Johnny can’t read? And that’s the teachers fault?
Yeah that’s it. Lol

teaching boys that maybe they are girls, girls maybe they are boys, exposing children to porn, forcing kids to accept they are racist, etc, etc, etc…………this is child abuse period. You disagree?
 
I didnt expect anyone to raise my child. They are raised and gone now.
I expected them to teach them to read and write and do matb and learn how to think.
I didn't expect a babysitter and I certainly didnt expect them to tell them what to believe.
The parent cant be an expert in everything.
I send them to swimming lessons to learn how to swim because i am not an expert in swimming even though i can swim.
What isnt being taught is how to exist in real life. Many surveys now indicate a lot of college graduates are unhappy with their lack of preparedness for the real world which is not being provided to them by our educational institutions.
Instead we have triggered softies with degrees that cant handle basic the tasks of a professional career
Ironically I don’t disagree with you that there are some softies but I do disagree with who gets that blame? Where is mom and dad in the equation? Is it a public school teachers fault that someone went through four years of college and is then unhappy?

Go ride by ANY public school in this state an hour after it’s closed and you’ll see kids still around. In the high schools they wander free. In the lower levels, they’re in the office. Go read the comments on social media when school is cancelled. What do they do the other 185 days? There’s a large contingent of soft parents that can’t make time for their kids.
 
If I’m being perfectly honest I had a kid on Facebook send me a message about how I taught him about credit and how he’s become a cop and bought a house and stretched his money.

The problem is that kid LISTENED and most of the other 30 in that same room that should have been listening were vaping in the bathroom, sleeping, cutting class, texting, sexting or doing something else while I was teaching it. But yeah let’s blame the teacher…..

Them lets change teacher to educational system. That's more appropriate as there are good teachers out there. Many are being held back from being even better by the system
 
Yeah that’s it. Lol

teaching boys that maybe they are girls, girls maybe they are boys, exposing children to porn, forcing kids to accept they are racist, etc, etc, etc…………this is child abuse period. You disagree?
You have evidence of gender identification being taught or is it true bc it’s posted on a free Gamecock message board? I never told a kid he was racist (although I have taught a few) and I can’t really paint an awesome fairy tale that blacks were enslaved and Chinese were banned from this country for being Chinese and that we took land from Mexico just because we wanted it. If you want to call that “critical race” go ahead but it’s also the truth.

I think we would agree that anyone in any profession that shows a kid porn should go to jail but why the hate for teachers? You keeping up this same energy for construction workers, restaurant employees and bankers doing the same thing?
 
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Them lets change teacher to educational system. That's more appropriate as there are good teachers out there. Many are being held back from being even better by the system

I don’t disagree with you there. There is a lot of red tape in public education. Unfortunately it’s highly unlikely the government is ever going to get out of it though.
 
Yes there absolutely is liberal bias in education. It starts at the college and masters levels. They are taught through a liberal lens and push a specific set of values and that permeates through to the schools when they become teachers. I’ve seen this first hand.
 
Yes there absolutely is liberal bias in education. It starts at the college and masters levels. They are taught through a liberal lens and push a specific set of values and that permeates through to the schools when they become teachers. I’ve seen this first hand.
I’ve seen it with conservatives too….but my guess is most on here aren’t complaining about that teacher.

Bottom line, teachers should be teaching students the skills to think for themselves, not their own personal beliefs
 
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