I gotta say, this years team has taken me by surprise

[1SGgamecock]

I really didn't think we'd be this good this year but the players and coaching has really stepped it up. The team is really looking good in every game except maybe ole miss. Can't help but wonder how bad our team and and staff will be plundered at the end of the season. Seems to happen everytime we start getting somewhere.

 

[ForeUSC]

I think we’ll be doing the “plundering”. If (and that’s a big “if” ) we can close strong, which I think we will, and then win our bowl game, we will have some really good transfers looking at us . I’m trying to be positive and not a “negativenellie”

 

[hahnenkampf]

I think we’ll be doing the “plundering”. If (and that’s a big “if” ) we can close strong, which I think we will, and then win our bowl game, we will have some really good transfers looking at us . I’m trying to be positive and not a “negativenellie”

Winning the bowl game is a huge doubt for me because of players who will opt out by entering the transfer portal. Some will also opt out to prepare for the NFL combine….Emmanwori comes to mine.

 

[Lurker123]

I really didn't think we'd be this good this year but the players and coaching has really stepped it up. The team is really looking good in every game except maybe ole miss. Can't help but wonder how bad our team and and staff will be plundered at the end of the season. Seems to happen everytime we start getting somewhere.

Enjoy this while you can and worry about the portal at the end of the regular seaon.

Each year we will have massive turnover, just like everyone else.

As for us doing the plundering? I've been told we are NIL poor, so that can't be true.

 

[hahnenkampf]

I really didn't think we'd be this good this year but the players and coaching has really stepped it up. The team is really looking good in every game except maybe ole miss. Can't help but wonder how bad our team and and staff will be plundered at the end of the season. Seems to happen everytime we start getting somewhere.

Add me to the list of totally surprised people. The ease of beating Texas A&M and a resurgent Vandy gives me hope we can run the table on the rest of the season. If we win nine games we should extend Beamer’s contract with a nice pay raise. I’ve decided…..the guy can coach.

 

[Lurker123]

Add me to the list of totally surprised people. The ease of beating Texas A&M and a resurgent Vandy gives me hope we can run the table on the rest of the season. If we win nine games we should extend Beamer’s contract with a nice pay raise. I’ve decided…..the guy can coach.

Isn't he paid just fine with a doable buyout now? He got a big bump one year and followed it up with what?

I don't think we're at risk of losing him to anyone, so no need to lock us in. Remember, he really wants to be here.

 

[uscwatson21]

Add me to the list of totally surprised people. The ease of beating Texas A&M and a resurgent Vandy gives me hope we can run the table on the rest of the season. If we win nine games we should extend Beamer’s contract with a nice pay raise. I’ve decided…..the guy can coach.

Have to beat Clemson.

If we lose to Clemson a lot of the good will evaporates.

 

[Ward Jr]

Isn't he paid just fine with a doable buyout now? He got a big bump one year and followed it up with what?

I don't think we're at risk of losing him to anyone, so no need to lock us in. Remember, he really wants to be here.

So you're willing the roll the dice he doesn't bolt to a better offer?

Because the AD will not be if he finishes with 8 wins or more.

That's not how the coaching contract game is played and Beamer has a pretty well sized-ego in pressers when he's rolling.

A 2-year extension is almost secured at this point.

The AD will be fine with the marginal cost of that extra year buyout in mitigating risk.

 

[PaleoCock]

So you're willing the roll the dice he doesn't bolt to a better offer?

Because the AD will not be if he finishes with 8 wins or more.

That's not how the coaching contract game is played and Beamer has a pretty well sized-ego in pressers when he's rolling.

A 2-year extension is almost secured at this point.

The AD will be fine with the marginal cost of that extra year buyout in mitigating risk.

100% He now has three shots at 8 wins between Missouri, Clemson, and the bowl game.

 

[hahnenkampf]

So you're willing the roll the dice he doesn't bolt to a better offer?

Because the AD will not be if he finishes with 8 wins or more.

That's not how the coaching contract game is played and Beamer has a pretty well sized-ego in pressers when he's rolling.

A 2-year extension is almost secured at this point.

The AD will be fine with the marginal cost of that extra year buyout in mitigating risk.

His post-game presser last night was evidence of his growing ego. He called out a newspaper and Vandy university itself for being substandard. He was right in his comments on both issues.

 

[Ward Jr]

His post-game presser last night was evidence of his growing ego. He called out a newspaper and Vandy university itself for being substandard. He was right in his comments on both issues.

Agree. He's a little awkward and feisty, but also clearly gaining confidence in his role.

I could totally see how that type of personality resonates with players at that age.

 

[Lurker123]

His post-game presser last night was evidence of his growing ego. He called out a newspaper and Vandy university itself for being substandard. He was right in his comments on both issues.

Saw the newspaper, what did he call out about Vandy?

 

[Ward Jr]

I think we’ll be doing the “plundering”. If (and that’s a big “if” ) we can close strong, which I think we will, and then win our bowl game, we will have some really good transfers looking at us . I’m trying to be positive and not a “negativenellie”

Unless we're prepared to pay and retain the talent we have, they are going to roll.

The days when a nice smile was enough are well behind us.

 

[gamecock stock]

We did well in the Portal in Years 1 and 3, for whatever reason. We did not do well in the Portal in Year 2, for whatever reason. The 2022 and 24 seasons followed Years 1 and 3 in the Portal. The 2023 season followed Year 2 in the Portal. Looks to me that our success depends on how we do in the Portal. There's no sense "falling in love" with any recruit nor transfer. EVERY player is a "gun for hire". Let's hope Shane has a great year in the Portal following this season.

 

[Ward Jr]

We did well in the Portal in Years 1 and 3, for whatever reason. We did not do well in the Portal in Year 2, for whatever reason. The 2022 and 24 seasons followed Years 1 and 3 in the Portal. The 2023 season followed Year 2 in the Portal. Looks to me that our success depends on how we do in the Portal. There's no sense "falling in love" with any recruit nor transfer. EVERY player is a "gun for hire". Let's hope Shane has a great year in the Portal following this season.

Possibly at times.

But let's be very clear -- That's a far more difficult path to NIL success than these other schools have who can pay for their big recruits out of high school and have them stick around for 4 years because as you continue to fill their bank accounts.

It's takes very gifted staff accomplish what is happening this season with any regularity when they are losing players and having to resort to the portal.

Beyond the fact there's not a fraction of the talent in the portal that there is coming out of high school, there's also the uncertainty of what's available in any particular year which fits into your system, team continuity issues, etc.

So if you're asking this of our coaches, don't also be the guy who is fawning all over other coaches if any given season isn't working out the way you had envisioned.

 

[Southern Fried Chicken]

I think we’ll be doing the “plundering”. If (and that’s a big “if” ) we can close strong, which I think we will, and then win our bowl game, we will have some really good transfers looking at us . I’m trying to be positive and not a “negativenellie”

I'll admit that I'm still a non-believer. I must also admit that this team has exceeded my expectations in every shape and form (except for ass-grabbin & HOTDOGG'N' crap).

LET's drop this "Beamer Ball" crap ... it was FRANK's ... NOT FRANK's BOY's!!! .... It LEADS HIM to do STUPID STUFF!!!

GO! GAMECOCKS!!!

 

[cockn'fyr]

Isn't he paid just fine with a doable buyout now? He got a big bump one year and followed it up with what?

I don't think we're at risk of losing him to anyone, so no need to lock us in. Remember, he really wants to be here.

No he really, really, really, really wants to be here and I think he’s doing a great job!

 

[gamecock stock]

Possibly at times.

But let's be very clear -- That's a far more difficult path to NIL success than these other schools have who can pay for their big recruits out of high school and have them stick around for 4 years because as you continue to fill their bank accounts.

It's takes very gifted staff accomplish what is happening this season with any regularity when they are losing players and having to resort to the portal.

Beyond the fact there's not a fraction of the talent in the portal that there is coming out of high school, there's also the uncertainty of what's available in any particular year which fits into your system, team continuity issues, etc.

So if you're asking this of our coaches, don't also be the guy who is fawning all over other coaches if any given season isn't working out the way you had envisioned.

There are always going to be coaches and professionals in other fields to be respected and not respected, for whatever reasons. That's a fact of life.

 

[gamecock stock]

Have to beat Clemson.

If we lose to Clemson a lot of the good will evaporates.

My guess is he will get a contract extension and bump up in pay, even if we lose to Clemson. The Tigers are nationally-ranked, after all. Regardless, I do agree though that a lot of the good will evaporate if we lose to Clemson. So how well he is rewarded is yet to be determined.

 

[Ward Jr]

There are always going to be coaches and professionals in other fields to be respected and not respected, for whatever reasons. That's a fact of life.

I don't follow? My point is that if you're asking Beamer to consistently pick needles out of the portal haystack on a yearly basis versus simply buy the best talent coming straight of high school and keep them for four years like the big boys - you better keep an open mind about expectations from year to year. Because the job descriptions vary greatly and one road is far more difficult than the other.

 

[gamecock stock]

Here is what I know: Beamer brought in Top 10 Portal classes in 2 of the 3 seasons the Portal has been in existence. NONE of us know "how/why". What I wrote was: "Let's HOPE Shane has a great year in the Portal following this season".

 

[gamecock stock]

I don't follow? My point is that if you're asking Beamer to consistently pick needles out of the portal haystack on a yearly basis versus simply buy the best talent coming straight of high school and keep them for four years like the big boys - you better keep an open mind about expectations from year to year. Because the job descriptions vary greatly and one road is far more difficult than the other.

Responded just above.

 

[Ward Jr]

Here is what I know: Beamer brought in Top 10 Portal classes in 2 of the 3 seasons the Portal has been in existence. NONE of us know "how/why". What I wrote was: "Let's HOPE Shane has a great year in the Portal following this season".

Agree. This is what we all know. We all hope he can continue to have success from year to year doing what he's been doing.

The staff has already exceeded expectations this season and they are having to work much harder than many of the staffs we've faced given the financial constraints.

My point is to be patient when things aren't perfect, and give him props when props are warranted because it is the unconventional and more difficult road to success.

If it wasn't, everyone would be doing it and that window of opportunity would not be there.

 

[gamecock stock]

Agree. This is what we all know. We all hope he can continue to have success from year to year doing what he's been doing.

The staff has already exceeded expectations this season and they are having to work much harder than many of the staffs we've faced given the financial constraints.

My point is to be patient when things aren't perfect, and give him props when props are warranted because it is the unconventional and more difficult road to success.

If it wasn't, everyone would be doing it and that window of opportunity would not be there.

As I THINK you remember, I have praised Beamer PRIOR to this season. I previously said that he exceeded expectations (at least mine) in 2021 and 2022. The last thing I want for Carolina football is to change Head Coaches. I don't know about you but, I don't have that much time left to start over with a new Head Coach. Of course that also means I don't have the luxury of patience that others may have. At the same time, football and sports don't mean as much to me as they used to. That's what happens as you get older.

Gamecock football has never been a recruiting juggernaut. That's not me speaking. That's the recruiting rankings going back to the 1970s. If people are honest, they will admit we never will be. Maybe in other sports; but not football. We share a relatively small state with another school that, frankly, is a national brand name. We are like only 4 hours or so from schools (Georgia, Florida, Tennessee) that are historical powerhouses. This is just not an easy school to recruit to for football. We have had some Head Coaches (Scott, Muschamp, Woods) who had superb reputations as recruiters. They never recruited "lights out" at Carolina. Regardless, we need to, as always, do the best we can in recruiting.

The immediate above being said, I have been impressed with the coaching job done this season by Beamer. We do not have anywhere near the talent of LSU and Alabama. We probably should have beaten them both and would be on our way to the playoffs (we might still have a chance, though I would not bet on it). We destroyed much more talented Oklahoma. Though I'm not convinced that Venables is Head Coaching material, we did take them out at their place. We destroyed much more talented Texas A&M, who are well-coached. I, for one, am encouraged. If we are going to become nationally relevant, we are going to have to outcoach some teams, as we have done this year. I wish our state was a large as Florida. It's not. I wish we had the tradition of Georgia, Clemson and Tennessee. We don't. Thus, we have to compensate in other ways. That's the way I see it.

 

[hahnenkampf]

Saw the newspaper, what did he call out about Vandy?

Not allowing live animal mascots….said Sir Big Spur had to stay home. Only stadium in the SEC that doesn’t allow live animal mascots….mentioned how “LSU has a live tiger for crying out loud”

 

[Lurker123]

Not allowing live animal mascots….said Sir Big Spur had to stay home. Only stadium in the SEC that doesn’t allow live animal mascots….mentioned how “LSU has a live tiger for crying out loud”

Seems an odd rule. PETA have a presence there or something?

 

[gamecock stock]

Seems an odd rule. PETA have a presence there or something?

It could have something to do with them being a private school? Why? I have no idea.

 

[ElectricalCock89]

It could have something to do with them being a private school? Why? I have no idea.

Probably a liberal school

 

[uscwatson21]

Not allowing live animal mascots….said Sir Big Spur had to stay home. Only stadium in the SEC that doesn’t allow live animal mascots….mentioned how “LSU has a live tiger for crying out loud”

Sir Big Spur isn't allowed on the field at Auburn during the entrance because they're afraid the eagle would kill him.

 

[hahnenkampf]

Sir Big Spur isn't allowed on the field at Auburn during the entrance because they're afraid the eagle would kill him.

That makes sense.

 

[Ward Jr]

As I THINK you remember, I have praised Beamer PRIOR to this season. I previously said that he exceeded expectations (at least mine) in 2021 and 2022. The last thing I want for Carolina football is to change Head Coaches. I don't know about you but, I don't have that much time left to start over with a new Head Coach. Of course that also means I don't have the luxury of patience that others may have. At the same time, football and sports don't mean as much to me as they used to. That's what happens as you get older.

Gamecock football has never been a recruiting juggernaut. That's not me speaking. That's the recruiting rankings going back to the 1970s. If people are honest, they will admit we never will be. Maybe in other sports; but not football. We share a relatively small state with another school that, frankly, is a national brand name. We are like only 4 hours or so from schools (Georgia, Florida, Tennessee) that are historical powerhouses. This is just not an easy school to recruit to for football. We have had some Head Coaches (Scott, Muschamp, Woods) who had superb reputations as recruiters. They never recruited "lights out" at Carolina. Regardless, we need to, as always, do the best we can in recruiting.

The immediate above being said, I have been impressed with the coaching job done this season by Beamer. We do not have anywhere near the talent of LSU and Alabama. We probably should have beaten them both and would be on our way to the playoffs (we might still have a chance, though I would not bet on it). We destroyed much more talented Oklahoma. Though I'm not convinced that Venables is Head Coaching material, we did take them out at their place. We destroyed much more talented Texas A&M, who are well-coached. I, for one, am encouraged. If we are going to become nationally relevant, we are going to have to outcoach some teams, as we have done this year. I wish our state was a large as Florida. It's not. I wish we had the tradition of Georgia, Clemson and Tennessee. We don't. Thus, we have to compensate in other ways. That's the way I see it.

Stock - I've already posted some of your gems from this forum. Below is a sample platter from the ON3 Forum -- all from this season. I've also got the sceenshots if you need those.

Everyone knows USC has never been a recruiting juggernaut. We've discussed this ad nauseum on this site - including resources, location, etc.

The piece you continue to miss is that we've got a compounded issue now with the NIL/Portal and the fact we can't hold onto our best players and buy big high school recruits only serves to make the job that much more difficult.

Back to my point, if you're expecting to praise Beamer is these "up" seasons when the pieces come together like they did two years ago, don't be the guy who is giving him hell and talk about other coaches because of a season where it doesn't all connect. And saying stuff like "It's Year 4, Beamer MUST win" runs completely against the staff is having to do with recruits and the portal.

Year 4 means little when you're having to switch out some of your best players each season. Again, the UGA's of college football don't have this issue. They can buy these guys out of high school and they are there for the long haul. That's a very big deal. Because regardless of what we pick up in the portal from year-to-year, it's hard to get these guys on the same page (esp. QBs and WRs) when you're switching them out yearly.

Peace.

---------------

"I'd take Mullen to replace Beamer tonight, if that was an option. Beamer is a cheerleader. Mullen is a coach."

"My response to Beamer would be the words of my old high school football coach: "If you (Beamer) had a brain, you'd take it out and play with it."

"Beamer may be a nice guy, but he is not Head Coach material"

"I wonder what those former players who pushed Beamer to the Board and Tanner are thinking these days about their recommendation?"

"Beamer had 2 weeks to prepare for this game. And that was the best he could do, and at HOME, no less? smh"

"I think Beamer is better than Muschamp. But that's like saying Melissa McCarthy is better than Rosie O'Donnell."

"The bar has been set so low for Beamer with the schedule excuse, you are probably right."

"That comment by Beamer sounds like someone who is in a state of panic."

 

[garnet_reign]

Winning the bowl game is a huge doubt for me because of players who will opt out by entering the transfer portal. Some will also opt out to prepare for the NFL combine….Emmanwori comes to mine.

You act as if whatever team we play won't have the same thing happening, if not worse. That is a college football problem, not someone unique to us.

Also, I suddenly feel winning your bowl game, or hell even making one may not be important as it once was.. for some reason...

 

[Ward Jr]

You act as if whatever team we play won't have the same thing happening, if not worse. That is a college football problem, not someone unique to us.

Also, I suddenly feel winning your bowl game, or hell even making one may not be important as it once was.. for some reason...

Can you explain what you're talking about? The issue is some teams have big budgets and can buy big high school talent AND retain their best talent -- something we haven't been able to do on any regular basis.

 

[uscwatson21]

Can you explain what you're talking about? The issue is some teams have big budgets and can buy big high school talent AND retain their best talent -- something we haven't been able to do on any regular basis.

Stewart will be the litmus test. If we retain him, it's hard to argue we don't the money to buy and retain talent.

 

[Ward Jr]

Stewart will be the litmus test. If we retain him, it's hard to argue we don't the money to buy and retain talent.

One or two players versus entire teams on the payroll? Your comedy act never ends.

 

[Lurker123]

You act as if whatever team we play won't have the same thing happening, if not worse. That is a college football problem, not someone unique to us.

Also, I suddenly feel winning your bowl game, or hell even making one may not be important as it once was.. for some reason...

Ha, true.

Basically, beyond the playoffs, bowls will probably become increasingly frustrating. We're already at a point theblast couple years wher the bowl team isn't really the same team as the regular seaon team. But I think it'll only get worse.

 

[uscwatson21]

One or two players versus entire teams on the payroll? Your comedy act never ends.

How do you know we don't have the money for an entire team?

or are you just making up your own facts?

 

[Ward Jr]

How do you know we don't have the money for an entire team?

or are you just making up your own facts?

Hmmm. NIL deal announcements. ESPN talking heads stating this. Articles stating this. $20-30mil budgets being discussed.

You desperately need sunlight in that Foxhole.

 

[uscwatson21]

Hmmm. NIL deal announcements. ESPN talking heads stating this. Articles stating this. $20-30mil budgets being discussed.

You desperately need sunlight in that Foxhole.

So nothing to actually back up your "facts"

 

[Ward Jr]

So nothing to actually back up your "facts"

Believe it's reached the point where you're owed a refund from USC.

You can use your content on this site as evidence for qualification.

I'm sure Biden will hook you up with a reimbursement before he.....oh, wait a minute, the election is over.