You said it was made for war. Please elaborate. I’m guessing you think AR stands for Assault Rifle. It doesn’t.
I would like to have a intelligent discussion about the horrible shooting that occurred today in Boulder, Co. No politics allowed.
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Prohibition says "hi". So do laws banning recreational drugs.
Still happens every day, all day.
Now they just use the mail.
Yet the Vegas shoot was still able to get a similar effect with a bump stock. People want to shoot lots of bullets fast. Laws aren't going to change that.
Not really but it looks like it is. Big difference between an AR15 and an M16 which it tries to mirror in looks.
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BOTH sides do this quite well.
lol, I’ve spent more than enough time around an M4 to know the background of the rifle and Armalite.
I remember in high school the guys who were the early morning hunters would come to school with their hunting rifles in their trucks. Never had one problem.
Can any explain what an assault rifle is?
And do y’all think a new law would have stopped a psycho murderer from murdering?
And do y’all think a new law would have stopped a psycho murderer from murdering?
It’s pretty much irrefutable that more stringent firearm laws will make it harder for mass shootings.
You can get as little as 2 years for armed robbery. Get tough on people who actually commit crimes with guns and you will fix the vast majority of the gun crime.
Colorado has some of the strictest gun laws in the country. Will be interesting to see if this shooter is a felon, which would make it illegal for him to own any guns.
That is wrong. See Chicago as exhibit#1
Dropping the speed limit to 20 mph will greatly decrease automobile deaths. About 70 times more people are killed in car accidents every year vs being murder with all rifles combined.
Exactly. I did an externship at a facility near Augusta that housed long term mentally disabled people. Even they were having to close down. The residents were basically being shipped out to small (often people’s personal homes) private care facilities that were not equipped to handle them. It was tragic.
https://www.governing.com/archive/following-patient-reentry-orders-georgia.html
What more stringent laws specifically do you recommend? Don't skirt the honest question...
The biggest problem with gun laws is that people who are deranged enough to kill aren't obeying laws. They're not seeing a sign that reads "gun free zone" and going home. The constitution obviously gives citizens the right to bear arms and is absolutely necessary in my opinion.
That being said, I don't have a problem with reasonable background checks and closing loopholes at gun shows etc.
Statistics show that the overwhelming majority of legal gun owners do not commit crimes with their guns. Most car owners operate the vehicles within the law, but some do not and drive too fast and or drink and drive and the results are deadly.
In terms of what kind of guns to own, I've gone back and forth, and I think I am OK with the current laws that prevent public from having fully automatic rifles and bump stocks. The term "assault rifle" is often used inaccurately where people assume that any rifle with a clip is automatic and that is not the case (A.R. does not stand for automatic rifle nor assault rifle).
I’ve already said a national registry is needed so we can track who is breaking the laws.
I honestly don’t care. We’ve already carved out categorical exceptions for the first amendment. We can do the same with the second.
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There is no chance at gun control. It’s just political gas for LEFT wingers to use to fuel their political agendas.
Swings both ways
Oh so criminals can see exactly who has what? So they know what to steal and know who is armed and who isn’t? No thank you.
A national registry will not make it harder for mass shootings as you said in your original post that "It’s pretty much irrefutable that more stringent firearm laws will make it harder for mass shootings." A registry won't do that at all.
So once again...what specific laws can you pass that will make it "harder for mass shootings?"
Democrats want to be tough on people for just owning a gun.
The same people want to go easy on people that actually commit crimes with guns.
There is a reason for that, and it has nothing to do with saving lives.
The same people want to go easy on people that actually commit crimes with guns.
There is a reason for that, and it has nothing to do with saving lives.
That's not what makes a subject political. The political discussion is because of differing opinions anda large gray area in which those opinions can be right or wrong based on background and perception. Actual political parties have nothing to do with it, man.
I see what you are saying but where I was coming from and wanted to explore was the control of guns in general. Is it a good thing or a bad thing. I just used yesterday's incident as an example. And I didn't want people to say, it's Sen. XYZ's fault because he / she gets a lot of money from the NRA, or it's the left's fault because they want to defund the police, etc.
I wanted to see if there are any reasonable solutions to this national problem that occurs way to frequently. And I certainly don't know of any unfortunately except for maybe stronger background checks.
Has never been infringed nor suggested to be, in the 260 year history.of this nation.
That is a system ripe for abuse. Also, illegally obtained guns aren't going to be registered.
I would also point out that it's unconstitutional, but the government has been ignoring the Constitution on some issues for decades.
Oh yeah I trust the government with that information. Get real.
While background checks are good but they are only good for the past and present. Most of these guys probably cleared a check but somewhere down the road he decided people had to die to make his point so more extensive checks don't work for what happens to someone's mind in the future.
So a national registry is needed so we can track who is breaking the law? hmmmmm
Am I wrong in thinking that when a person gets arrested for whatever crime, gun involved or not, they get "tracked" or identified as a person that broke a law.
A national registry will not facilitate that in ANY way. That statement makes no sense at all...
USCBatgirl21
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Closing the background check loophole that allowed Dylan Roof to purchase his gun would be a good start. No purchase until you hear back definitely from the background check, and if you have open charges (of a certain type) against you, no purchase until those are adjudicated.
nice job....I'll stop asking you a specific question because you are not/cannot/will not answer it.
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