Is there any mechanism whereby we can discuss the intersection of politics/current events and sports

[fowl_mood]

Honest question, Dems. Do you honestly believe Joe Biden will serve more than six months in the White House if he a) lasts that long, and b)wins?

I don't think he makes it to the election.

 

[Conway Gamecock]

It isn't cancel culture until things get - uh - canceled, even obliterated, jobs get lost, and people get ruined. Boycotts have gone on throughout history. The conservatives haven't learned how to do "cancel culture" because they aren't activists by nature. Probably wouldn't be that good at it anyway, being too preoccupied with supporting their families and other aspects of day-to-day living to make it work.

The conservatives were DAMNED good at cancel culture once upon a time. They were in fact historic MASTERS at cancel culture.

Until the country's government waged a war against them to stop that culture, and won. And then those conservatives practiced another kind of cancel culture, until JFK and LBJ passed laws stopping that too.

But the culture still exists - it has to hide and lurk in the shadows, play under different words, pass from practitioner to practitioner behind closed doors and via winks of the eye in tight political circles. That culture is the most articulately developed and nurtured, of ANY culture this nation has ever experienced. And it is the child of the conservative demographic.

You go tell the family of the hanged black man that "conservatives aren't activists by nature". They may have some stories to tell you back.....

 

[king ward]

The conservatives were DAMNED good at cancel culture once upon a time. They were in fact historic MASTERS at cancel culture.

Until the country's government waged a war against them to stop that culture, and won. And then those conservatives practiced another kind of cancel culture, until JFK and LBJ passed laws stopping that too.

But the culture still exists - it has to hide and lurk in the shadows, play under different words, pass from practitioner to practitioner behind closed doors and via winks of the eye in tight political circles. That culture is the most articulately developed and nurtured, of ANY culture this nation has ever experienced. And it is the child of the conservative demographic.

You go tell the family of the hanged black man that "conservatives aren't activists by nature". They may have some stories to tell you back.....

My remarks on this matter were in the present tense and focused upon contemporary happenings and modern parlance. Accordingly, I stand by them.

 

[Conway Gamecock]

I'll ignore the childish name calling for now, and answer the part you seem to have missed.

In your example, you compare people choosing different stores based on cost or quality of products to people choosing stores based on something that has nothing to do with the products purchased.

You're right in that we have the freedom to choose, but you're way off base trying to claim they both represent "cancel culture".

That's good, and I'll ignore the racist epithets for now, and focus simply on your last sentence. When it serves your purpose, it's freedom to choose, but when it opposes your purpose, it's "cancel culture". The labeling of the same practices in different ways - to characterize any freedoms that oppose you as something scornful, as if it is in fact anti-constitutional when it is nothing of the sort - is just as much an effort of this "cancel culture" you speak of, as any other.....

 

[Conway Gamecock]

The rioting and looting by conservatives is even more disgusting. Oh wait....

No, you're exactly correct. Perhaps you didn't realize. The Haves usually are not the ones that riot. It is the Have Nots that do, particularly those Have Nots that live in a society that is not supposed to support the Haves, but rather support All Having.

But when the Haves became the Have Nots - like, for instance, when the conservatives were told they couldn't enslave other humans anymore. Boy, their "rioting and looting" was really disgusting. One could say that their riots and looting were the ugliest in the history of this nation.

Or we could go further back into our history, and look at the "rioting and looting" of the colonialists that preceded the War of Independence. That is NOT considered "disgusting" by our citizens today. In fact, in less than a week, we're going to have a national celebration in it's memory's honor. The people who rioted then were surely the Have Nots, by their reckoning.

It's really interesting how dependent on the perspective one takes of things, how the things can be described as either "disgusting", or "glorious".....

 

[fowl_mood]

Ours is now a culture of complaint and condemnation.

Many will revel in it, obviously.

 

[Garnet chicken]

No, you're exactly correct. Perhaps you didn't realize. The Haves usually are not the ones that riot. It is the Have Nots that do, particularly those Have Nots that live in a society that is not supposed to support the Haves, but rather support All Having.

But when the Haves became the Have Nots - like, for instance, when the conservatives were told they couldn't enslave other humans anymore. Boy, their "rioting and looting" was really disgusting. One could say that their riots and looting were the ugliest in the history of this nation.

Or we could go further back into our history, and look at the "rioting and looting" of the colonialists that preceded the War of Independence. That is NOT considered "disgusting" by our citizens today. In fact, in less than a week, we're going to have a national celebration in it's memory's honor. The people who rioted then were surely the Have Nots, by their reckoning.

It's really interesting how dependent on the perspective one takes of things, how the things can be described as either "disgusting", or "glorious".....

Sir your definition of conservatives is mind boggling. Amazingly clueless.

 

[hillstosea]

Conservatism and liberalism are dynamic,like the country itself, and is indicative of a democratic nation. Ever changing and evolving for better, we intend.

 

[Conway Gamecock]

National debt yes. Family values still there. Government bailouts? The 08 crisis was unique. The virus is unique. I don’t deny republicans are quicker to spend money not in the budget but far less than democrats. Free trade equals (or should) fair trade. Unfair trade is an issue Obama and Bush complained about but did NOTHING. This president is trying to do something at least

The historical record of national debt would scream in opposition to this. Democrats historically have spent more $$ on federal social programs. This partisan policy comes boxed with a need for more federal oversight and "big government", since it is the nation's tax dollars being spent and therefore. But rarely has it resulted in bloating the national debt.

The conservatives have railed at this partisan policy because 1) they are opposed to the national revenue (tax dollars) going to the many as opposed to going to the few, and 2) they don't like the government looking into their books to make sure those tax dollars are going where they were intended to go. Conservative are like those stories of greed that we have heard about over the years, of people burying their money in their backyards or stuffing it into their bed mattresses. Of people wasting their lives away sitting up all night counting their money, day after day after day. And this greed breeds more greed, until it hurts the entire nation.

So historically, the conservatives - Republicans - tend to spend more money then liberals, but not on social programs where ALL the tax payers - it is their money after all - benefit from, but where those with great wealth already, get even more wealthier. And that greed discards good faith practices in how the money is spent, so it builds debt that will have to be dealt with in the future.

But the conservatives don't care, because while the rest of the nation deals with the debt that they created, they are fat and getting a little fatter off of savings interest or from revenues generated from their assets compiled off of other people's money. They will just protest when the liberals try to raise taxes to get that money back, and wait until the next time they are in power, so they do it all over again.

It's all built more on the societal policy that came from European elitist class-based societies of Kings and Queens, of Dictators and Tyrants. A society of a privileged wealthy minority with all the powers, and an underprivileged poor majority with little powers forever assigned to propping up the minority class. This is what Karl Marx was talking about.

That elitist societal philosophy gave birth to the antebellum slave south, and it directly opposes what the founding fathers intended for this nation of people to be...

 

[fowl_mood]

Mods, save us! It's getting insufferable in here as this pseudo intellectual stuff piles up. Yes, let's go back to sports. Sorry Mower, you tried. And no, evidently and sorrowfully, we cannot separate politics and sport.

 

[Conway Gamecock]

No, Republicans NEVER attacked Obama the way the Democrats have attacked Trump. Not even close. The news media has been even worse. Obama continually got a free pass from them. Now, we are seeing how corrupt Obama was.

Republicans attacked Obama because of his race. They questioned his citizenship, they called him a mulsim (many still do today), they all said that he would turn this country into another muslim nation and would destroy the constitution. They spent millions of tax dollars and years investigating him and his administration in a fully republican congress, and came up with ZERO, and yet kept starting up new investigations.

But a large % of the attacks that Trump gets today and during his presidency is because he brought it all upon himself - Obama NEVER attacked the media and other political opponents and racial demographics like Trump has done non-stop even before he got elected. Obama never lied non-stop with every word that came out of his mouth, only to double-down on the lies when he's proven to have lied without question.

That provocation will incite back-lashes, so a LOT of what Trump deals with, he brought on himself.

 

[Conway Gamecock]

Mods, save us! It's getting insufferable in here as this pseudo intellectual stuff piles up. Yes, let's go back to sports.

You don't know how to navigate a message board? It's just one single thread dude. You act like you're trapped in it, and can't get out....

 

[Conway Gamecock]

Sir your definition of conservatives is mind boggling. Amazingly clueless.

The ever-needed post of lolling wild eyes, gnashing of teeth, and rending of cloth and hair. Thank you for your contribution, sir.....

 

[ClowneyPosse]

LOL! I am quite flattered with your obsession with my comments. Thanks!

Hard to forget such a fail. 9 page thread. Sharing a link to a paper that doesn't exist is quite strange.

 

[Cola G'Cock]

No, you're exactly correct. Perhaps you didn't realize. The Haves usually are not the ones that riot. It is the Have Nots that do, particularly those Have Nots that live in a society that is not supposed to support the Haves, but rather support All Having.

But when the Haves became the Have Nots - like, for instance, when the conservatives were told they couldn't enslave other humans anymore. Boy, their "rioting and looting" was really disgusting. One could say that their riots and looting were the ugliest in the history of this nation.

Or we could go further back into our history, and look at the "rioting and looting" of the colonialists that preceded the War of Independence. That is NOT considered "disgusting" by our citizens today. In fact, in less than a week, we're going to have a national celebration in it's memory's honor. The people who rioted then were surely the Have Nots, by their reckoning.

It's really interesting how dependent on the perspective one takes of things, how the things can be described as either "disgusting", or "glorious".....

No, the nots are supposed to work to become the haves. Looting and rioting never solved anything.

 

[Cola G'Cock]

Republicans attacked Obama because of his race. They questioned his citizenship, they called him a mulsim (many still do today), they all said that he would turn this country into another muslim nation and would destroy the constitution. They spent millions of tax dollars and years investigating him and his administration in a fully republican congress, and came up with ZERO, and yet kept starting up new investigations.

But a large % of the attacks that Trump gets today and during his presidency is because he brought it all upon himself - Obama NEVER attacked the media and other political opponents and racial demographics like Trump has done non-stop even before he got elected. Obama never lied non-stop with every word that came out of his mouth, only to double-down on the lies when he's proven to have lied without question.

That provocation will incite back-lashes, so a LOT of what Trump deals with, he brought on himself.

Obama got nothing more than simple scrutiny that any President gets. To suggest his administration was attacked any way close to how the Trump administration has been attacked is laughable.

The Obama administration was corrupt to the core and most of Washington and the biased news media ignored it.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/no-more-mrclean-inside-scandal-free-years-obamas-presidency

 

[ClowneyPosse]

Obama got nothing more than simple scrutiny that any President gets. To suggest his administration was attacked any way close to how the Trump administration has been attacked is laughable.

The Obama administration was corrupt to the core and most of Washington and the biased news media ignored it.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/no-more-mrclean-inside-scandal-free-years-obamas-presidency

Why do you continue to link fake news publications?

"Lokey told the outlet that he wrote much of the site's political content, but he was restricted in the framing of the articles for specific causes and courses of political thought.

"I tried to inject as much truth as I could into my posts, but there's no room for it," Lokey told Bloomberg. "Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Vladimir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft."

The publishers of zero hedge do not give their real names. They hide behind pseudonyms. You have linked to this forum an article from a fake newspaper called the Baltimore Gazette and a Russian bot website that uses fake names, pushes conspiracies and loves Putin...

 

[TheReelEss]

No, you're exactly correct. Perhaps you didn't realize. The Haves usually are not the ones that riot. It is the Have Nots that do, particularly those Have Nots that live in a society that is not supposed to support the Haves, but rather support All Having.

But when the Haves became the Have Nots - like, for instance, when the conservatives were told they couldn't enslave other humans anymore. Boy, their "rioting and looting" was really disgusting. One could say that their riots and looting were the ugliest in the history of this nation.

Or we could go further back into our history, and look at the "rioting and looting" of the colonialists that preceded the War of Independence. That is NOT considered "disgusting" by our citizens today. In fact, in less than a week, we're going to have a national celebration in it's memory's honor. The people who rioted then were surely the Have Nots, by their reckoning.

It's really interesting how dependent on the perspective one takes of things, how the things can be described as either "disgusting", or "glorious".....

The Have-Nots get no support? I was under the impression that's what government assistance is. Welfare, EBT, Section 8 Housing Allowance, etc. Those who believe the government will save them from poverty are caught in a trap.

There are no shortcuts to prosperity. A free K-12 education is there for the taking, but it has to be taken. With the education comes a much greater chance at bettering your economic situation.

When conservatives protested peacefully at their state legislatures for the right to go back to work the MSM treated them as selfish or alt-right and a danger to society. But the MSM treat looters and rioters as peaceful protesters.

 

[Rollerdude123]

Honest question, Dems. Do you honestly believe Joe Biden will serve more than six months in the White House if he a) lasts that long, and b)wins?

I don't think he makes it to the election.

Of course.

But presidents do pick VPs for a reason.

 

[Lurker123]

That's good, and I'll ignore the racist epithets for now, and focus simply on your last sentence. When it serves your purpose, it's freedom to choose, but when it opposes your purpose, it's "cancel culture". The labeling of the same practices in different ways - to characterize any freedoms that oppose you as something scornful, as if it is in fact anti-constitutional when it is nothing of the sort - is just as much an effort of this "cancel culture" you speak of, as any other.....

Racial epithets? What are you talking about?

And cancel culture is not buying a cheaper hammer. Both may be a choice, but that's not cancel culture.

You whine that I change my opinion on whether its cancel culture by whether it serves my purpose or whether I oppose it. But to do that you have to be ignoring the multiple posts where I said it is done by both sides. I know, it ruins your rant, but it's more productive to debate what someone actually says rather than make stuff up to get enraged about.

 

[USC75Grad]

No, you're exactly correct. Perhaps you didn't realize. The Haves usually are not the ones that riot. It is the Have Nots that do, particularly those Have Nots that live in a society that is not supposed to support the Haves, but rather support All Having.

But when the Haves became the Have Nots - like, for instance, when the conservatives were told they couldn't enslave other humans anymore. Boy, their "rioting and looting" was really disgusting. One could say that their riots and looting were the ugliest in the history of this nation.

Or we could go further back into our history, and look at the "rioting and looting" of the colonialists that preceded the War of Independence. That is NOT considered "disgusting" by our citizens today. In fact, in less than a week, we're going to have a national celebration in it's memory's honor. The people who rioted then were surely the Have Nots, by their reckoning.

It's really interesting how dependent on the perspective one takes of things, how the things can be described as either "disgusting", or "glorious".....

I just started reading a new book. It is titled, "The Case Against Socialism". This would be a good read for you. Most of what you post is liberal bullshit !!

 

[Dizzy01]

No, the nots are supposed to work to become the haves. Looting and rioting never solved anything.

Coal miners would disagree with you. I know everyone likes to pretend like everything that happens today is a new phenomenon but it isn’t. I’d recommend reading up on the coal camps and the Battle of Blair Mountain.

 

[scbirdhunter]

Looking like more & more flaming liberals are supporting Biden

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...group-says/ar-BB16c78R?ocid=spartan-dhp-feeds

Are the wheels falling off? Get ready for another don the con rage tweet

 

[scbirdhunter]

Of course.

But presidents do pick VPs for a reason.

Its kind of an odd question when the guy he's running against is an obese, fast food junkie, with heart issues, who falsely believes that exercise drains the body of finite energy resources (sounds exactly like something a lazy person would come up with, doesn't it)

 

[anon_n4c0cp5zhdxn7]

No, the nots are supposed to work to become the haves. Looting and rioting never solved anything.

No, it should be handed to them, with more social spending, redistribution of wealth. Have you not been listening to the socialists? If the gov't thinks you have too much, they should take it away and give it to someone else. It has worked wonderfully in Venezuela.

 

[Dizzy01]

I always find Tucker Carlson to be rather bipolar on issues at times but he one of the few Fox News host that won’t always just follow the company line. His take on the current crop of Republicans really applies to all politicians but it is spot on with the problems we face today.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ne...lson-republican-party-junk-food-1514619?amp=1

 

[Cola G'Cock]

Coal miners would disagree with you. I know everyone likes to pretend like everything that happens today is a new phenomenon but it isn’t. I’d recommend reading up on the coal camps and the Battle of Blair Mountain.

Coal miners would disagree with you. I know everyone likes to pretend like everything that happens today is a new phenomenon but it isn’t. I’d recommend reading up on the coal camps and the Battle of Blair Mountain.

I don't recall coal miners indiscriminately running through the streets of the US rioting and looting.

 

[MookieBlaylock9]

I always find Tucker Carlson to be rather bipolar on issues at times but he one of the few Fox News host that won’t always just follow the company line. His take on the current crop of Republicans really applies to all politicians but it is spot on with the problems we face today.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/fox-news-tucker-carlson-republican-party-junk-food-1514619?amp=1

I saw this last night, too. National politics is all junk food right now. We never talk about debt, local business, healthcare cost, suburban ponzi scheme, etc.

 

[Blackland]

I would invite you Republicans and Democrats to take a look at our Libertarian Party. For Republicans we have smaller government, fair taxes, business deregulation, the end of social welfare programs and free trade. For you Democrats we have open borders (but no welfare), unlimited abortions (but you have to pay for it), legal drugs and free trade. For all of you we have free speech.

 

[Lurker123]

Looking like more & more flaming liberals are supporting Biden

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...group-says/ar-BB16c78R?ocid=spartan-dhp-feeds

Are the wheels falling off? Get ready for another don the con rage tweet

Weren't articles like this written over and over during the last election?

I have no doubt that a lot of Republicans will vote for biden. I also have no doubt that a lot of democrats will vote for trump too.

Contrary to my theory that political parties are trying to kill the crossover vote, I know.

 

[USC75Grad]

Coal miners would disagree with you. I know everyone likes to pretend like everything that happens today is a new phenomenon but it isn’t. I’d recommend reading up on the coal camps and the Battle of Blair Mountain.

I would bet the coal camps was related to the dangers and working conditions of the miners. Has nothing to do with the punks protesting and destroying property and lives. I would bet many if not most of these libturds protesting are kids from rich families, raised without any discipline, and just spoiled brats.

 

[fowl_mood]

I saw this last night, too. National politics is all junk food right now. We never talk about debt, local business, healthcare cost, suburban ponzi scheme, etc.

Perhaps neither side thinks they can win on issues, or the issues just are not titillating enough for a bored, but excitable public.

 

[Dizzy01]

I would bet the coal camps was related to the dangers and working conditions of the miners. Has nothing to do with the punks protesting and destroying property and lives. I would bet many if not most of these libturds protesting are kids from rich families, raised without any discipline, and just spoiled brats.

I would suggest that you look into it a little bit more. I’m not going to disagree with the last bit on the rioters but let’s keep in mind Afluenza doesn’t know party lines.

 

[Lurker123]

Perhaps neither side thinks they can win on issues, or the issues just are not titillating enough for a bored, but excitable public.

If I could hit "like" more than 100 times.

 

[Dizzy01]

I don't recall coal miners indiscriminately running through the streets of the US rioting and looting.

Again do some research on it. Just because it wasn’t in the “streets of the US” and didn’t matter much to people outside of West Virginia and Kentucky doesn’t mean it wasn’t a form of rioting and they did loot plenty of the company stores and businesses.

 

[USC75Grad]

I would suggest that you look into it a little bit more. I’m not going to disagree with the last bit on the rioters but let’s keep in mind Afluenza doesn’t know party lines.

I just read an article about the Battle of Blair Mountain. Why don't you tell us what you think the battle was about.

 

[fowl_mood]

For those of you on the left who delight in muddying the meaning of cancel culture in order to protects it's use, here you go. This is cancel culture.

https://campusreform.org/?id=15157

 

[Garnet chicken]

Let's hear it for the French leader who told the country there will be no tearing down statues or renaming streets. Something the people here need to learn. Now it's turned into research history to see if we can find anything to be offended by.

 

[Dizzy01]

I just read an article about the Battle of Blair Mountain. Why don't you tell us what you think the battle was about.

There was a lot going on around that but it was three primary issues:

1) Working conditions as West Virginia was leading the nation in mine related deaths
2) Wages and living conditions. The coal camps ensured there was no livable wage or way out for the miners and the operators were actively trying to shut down any attempts to form a union by force
3) Corrupt and enabling politicians

 

[USC75Grad]

There was a lot going on around that but it was three primary issues:

1) Working conditions as West Virginia was leading the nation in mine related deaths
2) Wages and living conditions. The coal camps ensured there was no livable wage or way out for the miners and the operators were actively trying to shut down any attempts to form a union by force
3) Corrupt and enabling politicians

So, you think this is what is going on with the protestors around the country? I was surprised that the union lost their membership during this time and never got it back for many years.