Juice Wells entering portal

[Bucs90]

I and others railed against the portal and NIL, in particular the immediate eligibility portal but combined with NIL making 24/7/365 free agency, which no sports league could survive. And I was told to shut up, that who am I to judge whats best for someone and “what’s best for me” should ALWAYS be the ONLY thing that’s considered.

So now, our top player for 2024 has entered the portal. Everyone should be happy. Critique isnt allowed. Loyalty to the program who took an FCS player and made him a legit pro prospect? Nope.

South Carolina WR Antwane Wells plans to enter NCAA Transfer Portal

South Carolina wide receiver Antwane Wells plans to enter the NCAA Transfer Portal as a graduate transfer.

247sports.com

 

[sclawman77]

I and others railed against the portal and NIL, in particular the immediate eligibility portal but combined with NIL making 24/7/365 free agency, which no sports league could survive. And I was told to shut up, that who am I to judge whats best for someone and “what’s best for me” should ALWAYS be the ONLY thing that’s considered.

So now, our top player for 2024 has entered the portal. Everyone should be happy. Critique isnt allowed. Loyalty to the program who took an FCS player and made him a legit pro prospect? Nope.

South Carolina WR Antwane Wells plans to enter NCAA Transfer Portal

South Carolina wide receiver Antwane Wells plans to enter the NCAA Transfer Portal as a graduate transfer.

247sports.com

Guess he didn't like fans criticizing his Bentley.

 

[Gamecockben1979]

I and others railed against the portal and NIL, in particular the immediate eligibility portal but combined with NIL making 24/7/365 free agency, which no sports league could survive. And I was told to shut up, that who am I to judge whats best for someone and “what’s best for me” should ALWAYS be the ONLY thing that’s considered.

So now, our top player for 2024 has entered the portal. Everyone should be happy. Critique isnt allowed. Loyalty to the program who took an FCS player and made him a legit pro prospect? Nope.

South Carolina WR Antwane Wells plans to enter NCAA Transfer Portal

South Carolina wide receiver Antwane Wells plans to enter the NCAA Transfer Portal as a graduate transfer.

247sports.com

I respect your opinion, while I may disagree. Like it or not NIL and the portal are here to stay.

We didn’t complain when we got Rattler, Stogner, Knox, Wells and others. We don’t get them without NIL & the portal. We also can’t complain when we lose solid players. It’s part of the new game. Either learn to thrive in it or get comfortable sucking.

Truth be known, we’ve spent a majority of the last 120 years sucking without NIL and the portal. The right coach can make us competitive with it.

 

[DeeDave]

Loyalty to the program or anything else doesn't really apply.

That's not an issue in today's world in anything - but especially sports.

My only issue is this didn't seem to make much sense from my viewpoint, but I am sure it makes good sense to Wells.

 

[JohnnySolo]

I personally do not think NIL and portal are here to stay. It must be changed for the sake of college football. I don't know if people understand or even care that these are decisions that kids don't need to be making. They are immature and have different priorities. If it is here to stay you may as well find a way to put an "I" in Team because that is all these kids care about. Money for themselves. No one will be loyal to the school, fans or coaches. And for that reason you will lose a lot of older donors, which believe it or not are important to keep because the younger generation isn't going to support it. I pay $4,000 a year and its a bad investment for me to see 4 home games a year and have some of the best players sit out, quit or transfer. That money can be better invested elsewhere.

 

[Bucs90]

I respect your opinion, while I may disagree. Like it or not NIL and the portal are here to stay.

We didn’t complain when we got Rattler, Stogner, Knox, Wells and others. We don’t get them without NIL & the portal. We also can’t complain when we lose solid players. It’s part of the new game. Either learn to thrive in it or get comfortable sucking.

Truth be known, we’ve spent a majority of the last 120 years sucking without NIL and the portal. The right coach can make us competitive with it.

They can both be here. Its the lack of the 1 year sit out rule that needs to come back. Players arent gonna jump ship if they gotta sit a year. And boosters/donors arent gonna throw $$$$ at too many kids who can’t even play for 18 months. It would stabilize everything

 

[Bucs90]

I personally do not think NIL and portal are here to stay. It must be changed for the sake of college football. I don't know if people understand or even care that these are decisions that kids don't need to be making. They are immature and have different priorities. If it is here to stay you may as well find a way to put an "I" in Team because that is all these kids care about. Money for themselves. No one will be loyal to the school, fans or coaches. And for that reason you will lose a lot of older donors, which believe it or not are important to keep because the younger generation isn't going to support it. I pay $4,000 a year and its a bad investment for me to see 4 home games a year and have some of the best players sit out, quit or transfer. That money can be better invested elsewhere.

I agree. I think the 1 year sit rule must come back. Look at Notre Dame, they’re gonna land that incredible Duke QB Leaonard. Right after taking the Wake Forest one. A school with ND $$$$ can now just replace its QB every year with a senior star from almost any other program. That cant be the future

 

[hahnenkampf]

Never thought he’d ever be back anyway. He probably knew he’d reduce his portal leverage if he further injured himself playing this year so he dragged it out with the possibility of returning sometime this past year. I think at some point Beamer realized it as well. He’s going to get a huge NIL payout from some big school.

 

[Ward Jr]

We are now a patchwork team until the NIL/Portal changes.

Beamer is the first coach to have to deal with this lunacy.

I wish he had been granted the latitude to discuss this fact, but the AD has clearly throttled that.

Ole Miss allowing Kiffin to rant about the injustices of the NIL and portal have served as a marketing tool for increased financial support from the fanbase.

Same with several other schools.

 

[Ward Jr]

College Football Today

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"To end last week, Steve Spurrier did exactly that on ‘Open Mike’ with Mike Bianchi. In his mind, he said he would have handled it how most coaches are today by doing his best to win bidding wars for the players that he’d want to bring in.

“I would have probably tried to do it like all these guys are doing it now,” Spurrier said. “You find some wealthy, wealthy guys that sort of have more money than they know what to do with and then you can try to match what the other schools are offering them.”

https://www.on3.com/nil/news/steve-...rs-south-carolina-gamecocks-duke-blue-devils/

 

[uscwatson21]

Beamer is the first coach to have to deal with this lunacy.

And unfortunately the least equipped to deal with it...

 

[Ward Jr]

And unfortunately the least equipped to deal with it...

How would you measure and determine that?

 

[BattleshipTexas]

We are only beginning to understand all the ramifications of NIL and the portal changes and playoff expansion. Like those above, I expect it is going to be bad for college football as a whole. Probably good for the top dozen richest schools. Since I am a Texas fan it probably helps my team. [we may be courting Juice Wells] But it is going to make college football boring as the same 12 teams make the same playoffs over and over with only a few exceptions at the margins. Small market/small enrollment schools may drop football. Or maybe it splits into two leagues. One with the top 30 schools and another with everyone else. Maybe we even have promotion and rendition like in soccer.

 

[Ward Jr]

We are only beginning to understand all the ramifications of NIL and the portal changes and playoff expansion. Like those above, I expect it is going to be bad for college football as a whole. Probably good for the top dozen richest schools. Since I am a Texas fan it probably helps my team. [we may be courting Juice Wells] But it is going to make college football boring as the same 12 teams make the same playoffs over and over with only a few exceptions at the margins. Small market/small enrollment schools may drop football. Or maybe it splits into two leagues. One with the top 30 schools and another with everyone else. Maybe we even have promotion and rendition like in soccer.

UT is perfectly situated to capitalize. They have the tradition/recognition, big donors and the big TV market.

 

[gamecock stock]

NIL and portal transfers without sitting out one year, will slowly kill college football. The only schools able to compete without big NIL money are schools with "Bear Bryant-type coaches" ("he could beat yours with his and take yours to beat his").

 

[Ward Jr]

NIL and portal transfers without sitting out one year, will slowly kill college football.

The NIL alone is the toxic source. The no-wait portal is a painful add-on.

Schools should not be able to purchase high school kids.

 

[gamecock stock]

The NIL alone is the toxic source. The no-wait portal is a painful add-on.

Schools should not be able to purchase high school kids.

Be sure to read the rest of what I wrote (as I edited).

 

[Ward Jr]

Be sure to read the rest of what I wrote (as I edited).

Bear Bryant was great when the playing field was far more level.

Today's lopsided recruiting at the top of the food chain coupled with the NIL/Portal is further cementing a league of haves and have-nots.

There are obviously better coaches than others, but coaching in general has been massively depreciated due to the system.

I'd personally much rather pay a well-respected high school coach with recruiting connections in the Southeast $500,000 a year and spend the other $6,000,000 on talent, versus the next best coach in the college football coaching fraternity.

it was be very cool if we were the first school to try this option. It would get some serious media attention.

Be a trend setter, not a handcuffed cog in the big rigged machine.

 

[CockySC01]

That sucks. But Beamer can simply recruit another experienced WR from the portal. Hopefully an upgrade, which we desperately need at that position.


We. Shall. See.


BTW isn’t Juice Wells the one who was sitting out after recovering from injuries because his head wasn’t in the game or something like that. And he was rumored to be wanting to transfer out?

 

[Ward Jr]

That sucks. But Beamer can simply recruit another experienced WR from the portal. Hopefully an upgrade, which we desperately need at that position.


We. Shall. See.


BTW isn’t Juice Wells the one who was sitting out after recovering from injuries because his head wasn’t in the game or something like that. And he was rumored to be wanting to transfer out?

I'm sure we could have probably matched offers for Wells.

He needs a big senior season before the NFL after a year off.

That's probably why the foot injury ended up dragging out.

We don't have enough certainty at the QB position next year for his liking.

 

[BattleshipTexas]

UT is perfectly situated to capitalize. They have the tradition/recognition, big donors and the big TV market.

That's true and many Longhorn fans are happy about that. But in the big picture, if it ruins college football as we know it, we may have won the battle and lost the war.

 

[JohnnySolo]

It won't change until it effects the blue bloods. Right now it's reflective of capitalism. The 1% will always be in the CFP.

 

[Thirdcatgy]

College Football Today

==================================

"To end last week, Steve Spurrier did exactly that on ‘Open Mike’ with Mike Bianchi. In his mind, he said he would have handled it how most coaches are today by doing his best to win bidding wars for the players that he’d want to bring in.

“I would have probably tried to do it like all these guys are doing it now,” Spurrier said. “You find some wealthy, wealthy guys that sort of have more money than they know what to do with and then you can try to match what the other schools are offering them.”

https://www.on3.com/nil/news/steve-...rs-south-carolina-gamecocks-duke-blue-devils/

Under the NIL, Coach 'Em Up is now Buy 'Em Up.

 

[uscdoc]

I and others railed against the portal and NIL, in particular the immediate eligibility portal but combined with NIL making 24/7/365 free agency, which no sports league could survive. And I was told to shut up, that who am I to judge whats best for someone and “what’s best for me” should ALWAYS be the ONLY thing that’s considered.

So now, our top player for 2024 has entered the portal. Everyone should be happy. Critique isnt allowed. Loyalty to the program who took an FCS player and made him a legit pro prospect? Nope.

South Carolina WR Antwane Wells plans to enter NCAA Transfer Portal

South Carolina wide receiver Antwane Wells plans to enter the NCAA Transfer Portal as a graduate transfer.

247sports.com

Loyalty is trumped by greed. This is a bad example for Juice, and a reason for reform.

 

[uscdoc]

They can both be here. Its the lack of the 1 year sit out rule that needs to come back. Players arent gonna jump ship if they gotta sit a year. And boosters/donors arent gonna throw $$$$ at too many kids who can’t even play for 18 months. It would stabilize everything

Yes! But the Supreme Court would nix it.

 

[Ward Jr]

IMO, they will eventually be forced to change the system.

Even if you're on one of the chosen elite teams, players are inevitably going to get frustrated because of the pay inequality among their teammates.

You can't have lineman being paid $50k while QBs and WRs are making millions to play the same game and protect these skilled positions.

 

[Bucs90]

Yes! But the Supreme Court would nix it.

How? The rule stood before. The rule wouldn’t stop the transfer, wouldnt prevent the scholarship or NIL money. It just says you cant play in NCAA games for 1 year. Their earnings education and everything else the court could rule on isn’t affected

 

[JohnnySolo]

How can you be a garnet trust supporter and be ok with what is going on? Your money is being squandered, misappropriated. I'd be livid if I paid more than what I do now.

 

[hahnenkampf]

How? The rule stood before. The rule wouldn’t stop the transfer, wouldnt prevent the scholarship or NIL money. It just says you cant play in NCAA games for 1 year. Their earnings education and everything else the court could rule on isn’t affected

I was just thinking: ya know who probably doesn’t have the NIL problem and is really not impacted by it : Vandy — Maybe they had it right all along

 

[Ward Jr]

How can you be a garnet trust supporter and be ok with what is going on? Your money is being squandered, misappropriated. I'd be livid if I paid more than what I do now.

Bingo. Until there is transparency and accounting across the board at all schools, you're throwing your money in a black hole and hoping the operators are honest. What could go wrong???

You can thank Gavin Newsom and the woke movement for a good part of this ill-conceived nonsense. In their eyes, any player should be able to make as much money as possible with their name and decide where they want to play without restriction. I don't see that changing now that it's been unleashed. Our best hope at this point is capping spending across the board and forcing transparency and regulation.

Any other reponsibility belongs to the NCAA for dragging their heels and never installing a system where players all received a certain level of equal compensation across the board. The NCAA was protecting schools and their college football profit model.

 

[uscdoc]

I'm sure we could have probably matched offers for Wells.

He needs a big senior season before the NFL after a year off.

That's probably why the foot injury ended up dragging out.

We don't have enough certainty at the QB position next year for his liking.

How? The rule stood before. The rule wouldn’t stop the transfer, wouldnt prevent the scholarship or NIL money. It just says you cant play in NCAA games for 1 year. Their earnings education and everything else the court could rule on isn’t affected

I personally agree with your idea, but the issue is one's right to chose their career path without arbitrary restrictions. However, the concept of a portal transfer without a year-long penalty may destroy college football and leave us with a minor league network like the NFL.

 

[Bucs90]

I personally agree with your idea, but the issue is one's right to chose their career path without arbitrary restrictions. However, the concept of a portal transfer without a year-long penalty may destroy college football and leave us with a minor league network like the NFL.

Even minor leagues dont have this chaos.

No sports league could survive 247/365 total free agency with no salary cap.

 

[Ward Jr]

Until there are amendments to the NIL and Portal, games should be viewed as an entertainment-only --- not actual on-field competition of any merit.

Currently, the best we can hope for is transparency in spending. So when Kirby raises the trophy in any particular year, announcers can say something to the effect of...."Kirby Smart and his Georgia Bulldogs with only a $15.8 million dollar budget were able to defeat the $33 million dollar Texas Longhorns for this year's College Football National Championship."

What an honor.

 

[Thirdcatgy]

Until there are amendments to the NIL and Portal, games should be viewed as an entertainment-only --- not actual on-field competition of any merit.

Currently, the best we can hope for is transparency in spending. So when Kirby raises the trophy in any particular year, announcers can say something to the effect of...."Kirby Smart and his Georgia Bulldogs with only a $15.8 million dollar budget were able to defeat the $33 million dollar Texas Longhorns for this year's College Football National Championship."

What an honor.

High school football is the new College Football.

 

[uscwatson21]

IMO, they will eventually be forced to change the system.

Even if you're on one of the chosen elite teams, players are inevitably going to get frustrated because of the pay inequality among their teammates.

You can't have lineman being paid $50k while QBs and WRs are making millions to play the same game and protect these skilled positions.

Yep. Even the rich teams can’t afford this arms race.

 

[BattleshipTexas]

IMO, they will eventually be forced to change the system.

Even if you're on one of the chosen elite teams, players are inevitably going to get frustrated because of the pay inequality among their teammates.

You can't have lineman being paid $50k while QBs and WRs are making millions to play the same game and protect these skilled positions.

An example. Texas was trying to get a DE in the portal from TCU. He wanted to come to Texas, but Nebraska offered some outrageously high NIL to him. Texas is rich and could match. But if they did, what would everyone else on the Texas d-line making 1/4th or 1/5th of that think? Texas let him go to Nebraska, because it isn't just what you pay the one player that matters, you have to address the expectations that arise with all the similar players.

 

[HANKJONES22]

An example. Texas was trying to get a DE in the portal from TCU. He wanted to come to Texas, but Nebraska offered some outrageously high NIL to him. Texas is rich and could match. But if they did, what would everyone else on the Texas d-line making 1/4th or 1/5th of that think? Texas let him go to Nebraska, because it isn't just what you pay the one player that matters, you have to address the expectations that arise with all the similar players.

So did Nebraska fork up more money for their current O-Line? certainly not.. This whole thing is a nightmare. I am surprised coaches aren’t packing their stuff and going to the NFL. Used to be the other way around entirely, but now it’s easier being a coach in the NFL.

 

[gamecock stock]

IMO, they will eventually be forced to change the system.

Even if you're on one of the chosen elite teams, players are inevitably going to get frustrated because of the pay inequality among their teammates.

You can't have lineman being paid $50k while QBs and WRs are making millions to play the same game and protect these skilled positions.

For the good of the game, they must.

 

[DeeDave]

Individual over group.

Player over team.

Cash is king.

This is not new. This is the American way.

People are just upset when it's their ox being gored.

 

[Ward Jr]

Individual over group.

Player over team.

Cash is king.

This is not new. This is the American way.

People are just upset when it's their ox being gored.

What? Not even close.

If you go get a job most anywhere in this country, you're being paid what the position pays -- not what the company actually makes off of your services. Even attempting to determine that number would require a human capital specialist.

Players should all receive the same flat salary. If they don't want the school making money off of their name in terms of jerseys, etc., there should be an exemption clause to that end.