Really? Because a week or two ago, someone posted the end of season rankings and Muschamp actually had a slightly better record against them. Complete analysis....with links.
Of course he’s gone but you are the one who brought him up earlier in this thread to defend Muschamp, and you know there’s no comparison between him and Steve Spurrier. I hope he gets there and soon to tell you the truth, but I’m not as enthusiastic as you and many of our other fans. William has to show me he can get it done and so far in his career: I haven’t observed jack to show me he can lead a Championship team consistently!
well I would like to see that because Champs first 3 years have not been better then Spurrier’s. Now as far as coaching is concerned, I’ll give Champ the edge on that one. Spurrier had some awful coaches on his staff earlier in Columbia and on the end also. I think the Ball Coach got soft and would keep coaches way to long.
I got it but which championship did Spurrier leave with? I know he won games but even he had average seasons before he got the right players in just as Muschamp is doing. But, his last two seasons were 7-6 and 2-4 his first three he went 7-5...8-5...6-6. His 4th year was 7-6 before winning 11 games three years in a row. I'm not picking a fight Brace1 just pointing out facts about Spurrier and Boom. What he did at UF and Duke doesn't concern me any more than Muschamps past records. I'd be will to wager Muschamp goes better than 7-6 in his 4th year even with a tough schedule. JMO friend JMO.
You know I was referring to Spurrier’s first 3 years against Muschamp’s first 3, so get outta here with that count garbage! Unbelievable
how dare you defend our coach with facts...aint it amazing how so many want to jump on champ and I feel better about our situation than I ever have...even Clemson knew sos caught lightning in a bottle and wouldn't last long...champ is building for the long haul and any fans that cant see it don't wanna see it
I think he could win 8 and a bowl game this year at least I hope. If he does that I say he’s on his way.
first off, where did those teams finish? and if that's the case what happened to sos in all those games we lost that year? its one thing to get a team fired up enough to pull out a win or 3, but if they were that good why was we losing 5 other games? that crap there flies less than what champ has done...sos caught lightning in a bottle and was able to win with defense not offense...our defense last year was the walking wounded
That would be a good start but I think we might be just a year away.
Spurrier's first 3 years, he was 21-16 overall, 11-13 in the SEC, with 2 bowl games. Muschamp was 22-17 overall, 12-12 in the SEC, with 3 bowl games. How have Champ's first 3 years been worse than Spurrier's?
Spur also had losing streaks against a Bowden led Clemson team and a UK team that was unranked.
He lost at least two in a row to both....and both were much worse than when Muschamp's team played them.
Frankly, then neither is three in a row. And his record against Bowden was embarrassing.
You looked over the fact that Muschamp coached in 2 more games than Spurrier didn’t you? So I ask you the same question can you count? And you know I’m talking about Spurrier’s significant wins those “3 years!” I would say that makes his first 3 years more successful than the coach who just got shellacked by a lower tier ACC team.
No, I didn't overlook it....I printed it. Spurrier had a losing SEC record and lost to a Vandy team that had a losing record....a LOSING record. And Spurrier didn't make a bowl in his third year. More successful? LOL.You looked over the fact that Muschamp coached in 2 more games than Spurrier didn’t you? So I ask you the same question can you count? And you know I’m talking about Spurrier’s significant wins those “3 years!” I would say that makes his first 3 years more successful than the coach who just got shellacked by a lower tier ACC team.
That Florida team finished 12th and that Georgia team finished number 2 in the nation. The others finished outside the top 25 I think.
He went 6-6 his 3rd year and you know they wasn’t giving out bowl games like they do now. If he went 6-6 today you know he would’ve got in so cut the BS! And yes he lost to Vanderbilt who had a losing record, but at least he could beat some good teams with “winning records” something Champ isn’t doing!
Yes you printed it but you didn’t point it out. If you wanted to be fair about it you would’ve said Champ coached in 2 more games.
S waste of money. Lindy has been crap for years now and they used to be valuable commodities before fan sites took off. Too arbitrary and dependent on outdated material. Transfer portals are not included and many players do not even exist on teams at times. What internal struggles are supposed to be going on that they know about before us? Seriously? Waste of money
No, the only difference was that Spurrier had a 3-5 conference record in his third year and fell outside the SEC's pecking order. Muschamp had a 4-4 record in his third year and fell within the pecking order.
I put the records....didn't feel the need to point it out. Do I also need to point out that one of the two games was because Spurrier failed to qualify for a bowl game that year?
There aren't words for how this argument has been cherry-picked.
There was talent left on the team when Muschamp got here. I’m sure most of the players on that 9-4 team was from Spurrier’s era or recruited by him.
Who are you referring to? In the middle of his 1st season he made Jake Bently starter and they made a bowl then had a 9 win season. Spurrier bankrupt the program at the QB position and his scholarship QB transferred to James Madison and could not start there.
True. Every teams does to a certain extent. We just had a lot of true freshmen playing a one particular position due to injuries to upperclassmen. I would guess most if not all (with the exception of QB) of Clemson's young starters were at least redshirts if they were freshmen. Youth has been an excuse for Clemson before....and Alabama, etc. Everyone uses it, especially if they are forced to start an unusual amount of freshmen without much upperclass support.
I would consider Hayden Hurst, Deebo Samuel, Zack Bailey, Skai Moore, Taylor Stallworth, Chris Lammons, Bryson Allen-Williams, to be pretty good players. Basically that entire 2017 defense was left over from the Spurrier era. The problem was the guys wasn’t being coached up and our strength and conditioning program was complete garbage! But to say the team had nothing is false. SOS had definitely lost the team but he did leave some talent.
Agree. Both Spurrier and Holtz left some talent on the roster...neither struck out on everyone they brought in...but neither left the cupboard anywhere close to full either. After Fitzgerald left, Spurrier's S&C program went downhill fast. That's one most people forget when talking about the bad hires in the last several years.
Right spurrier gets credit
well we can’t use youth every year. What will it be this year?
