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It was a good play and would not have been blocked if Chat hadn't bounced it. If you had two inside players running it then Gray wouldn't have been defending and a big is not going to chase on the fake cut. You can blame Martin all you want but that was on execution.Originally posted by _NOVA_:
He ran a high / low post play fom the inbound, with the game on the line, designed to get the smallest player on the court a layup. Predictably, the shot was blocked and the game was essentially lost. Summarized the Frank Martin era in one play. The guy is running an offense and calling plays like he has a different team out there.
I don't see any bad players, I just see a lot of role players and a few young players with the potential to be stars. We lost another close game to a 15-4 team on the road without 2 of our players. God, how terrible we must be. I told y'all it's "moral victory" year. You think I was kidding?Originally posted by 1vagamecock:
How does giving bad players more experience help?
This. We had run the exact same play a few minutes earlier, and it resulted in an easy lay-up. It was a perfect play call.Originally posted by USC Fact Checker:
It was a good play and would not have been blocked if Chat hadn't bounced it. If you had two inside players running it then Gray wouldn't have been defending and a big is not going to chase on the fake cut. You can blame Martin all you want but that was on execution.Originally posted by _NOVA_:
He ran a high / low post play fom the inbound, with the game on the line, designed to get the smallest player on the court a layup. Predictably, the shot was blocked and the game was essentially lost. Summarized the Frank Martin era in one play. The guy is running an offense and calling plays like he has a different team out there.
Originally posted by _NOVA_:
He ran a high / low post play fom the inbound, with the game on the line, designed to get the smallest player on the court a layup. Predictably, the shot was blocked and the game was essentially lost. Summarized the Frank Martin era in one play. The guy is running an offense and calling plays like he has a different team out there.
This. He's calling plays and running an offense without thinking about who his players are and what they do well.Originally posted by aj&uscgrad:
It should have been Ty Johnson in for that play. he had just scored on it, is bigger and stronger and would have had a better chance
I don't see any star players. I do see role players- yes.
They appear to be regressing some though and that isn't good.
Originally posted by ReadR00ster:
I don't see any bad players, I just see a lot of role players and a few young players with the potential to be stars. We lost another close game to a 15-4 team on the road without 2 of our players. God, how terrible we must be. I told y'all it's "moral victory" year. You think I was kidding?
This post was edited on 1/28 7:20 PM by ReadR00ster
Frank made some terrible calls in this game but that was not one of them.Originally posted by Rollerdude123:
I was DUMBfounded by that play call in this game when they blocked 200 shots.
A GOOFY play call.
Originally posted by _NOVA_:
He ran a high / low post play fom the inbound, with the game on the line, designed to get the smallest player on the court a layup. Predictably, the shot was blocked and the game was essentially lost. Summarized the Frank Martin era in one play. The guy is running an offense and calling plays like he has a different team out there.
Again, the crash only came because the ball bounced. Instead of moving directly to the basket, Stroman had to gather the ball and bring it all the way up. With a taller player, the player would actually have been forced to reach lower and bring the ball up higher - it would have taken even longer and been blocked. Change it to a big and it bounces off the players knees and goes out of bounds. Bigger is not always better.Originally posted by _NOVA_:
This. He's calling plays and running an offense without thinking about who his players are and what they do well.Originally posted by aj&uscgrad:
It should have been Ty Johnson in for that play. he had just scored on it, is bigger and stronger and would have had a better chance
And LSU was crashing to the basket off that play, coming of their men. Two reasons. 1. They has seen the guards running that play. 2. There was no reason to stay with the shooters on the wings.
2 problems with our team right there
Originally posted by USC Fact Checker:
With a good pass, anyone who can make a layup would have made it.
Seriously. It's not about it being a good play or even a good play for the situation. Can the guy make the pass from the high post, to the low post, to a cutting guard. Nope. Can the cutting guard gather the pass and go up for the layup before the backside or front side wing player comes in for the block. Nope. Can the wing players pull their men from the basket with the threat of a pop up jumper? Nope. Had they been running similar plays, meaning the player guarding the passer would be looking to clog the passing lane and the winger defenders would be looking to crash? Yup.Originally posted by Rollerdude123:
2 problems with our team right there
Originally posted by USC Fact Checker:
With a good pass, anyone who can make a layup would have made it.
Look - I could probably save you a bunch of time here.Originally posted by ipull4usc:
We keep hearing that the team is improving. Well, the rest of the SEC is also improving, and they're improving at a much quicker rate than USC. Thus, any "improvement" by USC will not result in more Ws.
The rest of the SEC isn't standing around waiting for USC to catch up. Instead, while USC is improving at 1 mph, the rest of the SEC is improving at 75 mph. Unless the rest of the conference hits a speed bump and crashes, the current rate of USC's improvement is not going to cut it.
Yea we know . Gregg Marshall would be 19-0 with this team.Originally posted by AgnosticTrollCock:
Incoming wave of Martin fanatics making more excuses.
The only agenda I have is hoping South Carolina wins an NCAA Tournament game at some point in my lifetime.Originally posted by Sending an SOS:
Look - I could probably save you a bunch of time here.Originally posted by ipull4usc:
We keep hearing that the team is improving. Well, the rest of the SEC is also improving, and they're improving at a much quicker rate than USC. Thus, any "improvement" by USC will not result in more Ws.
The rest of the SEC isn't standing around waiting for USC to catch up. Instead, while USC is improving at 1 mph, the rest of the SEC is improving at 75 mph. Unless the rest of the conference hits a speed bump and crashes, the current rate of USC's improvement is not going to cut it.
1) The team is not going to make drastic improvements this year - so no point in sending the same message over and over again every time we lose a game.
2) You clearly have an agenda. In fact, had we won, I'm 100% positive there wouldn't even be a post from you.
3) Between #1 and #2, you should no longer have a need to post anything.
Time saved - you can thank me later.
I agree. We have one senior this year and 1 last year. Rome wasn't built in a day. Martin will turn it around.Originally posted by sandlapper59:
Maybe we should make a list of all the guys who post the negative crap and keep it to embarrass you when we start to win. I think that will happen. Team played one of their best games tonight and we have to put up with this whining and moaning. Nobody more disappointed than me how this turned out but your attitude stinks and you know who you are.
Well, I guess it must be embarrassing to have to comeback to win in the last minute to beat a team with no stars that doesn't even have anyone good enough to make your team. Must be more embarrassing for a top ten team to actually lose to that team.Originally posted by 1vagamecock:
Stars? who on this team would even make the LSU team?
You aren't getting it. I am saying we have a lot of role player players that will never be anything more than role players and to ever have expected more than being role players out of those guys is ridiculous. Our best players have the POTENTIAL to be star players but they are not there yet, and they are still young. They need more experience. Once they get enough, THEN we will start winning more. No body is regressing. The season is a grind, our players and team gets worn down. They still aren't used to the grind.Originally posted by Rollerdude123:
I don't see any star players. I do see role players- yes.
They appear to be regressing some though and that isn't good.
Originally posted by ReadR00ster:
I don't see any bad players, I just see a lot of role players and a few young players with the potential to be stars. We lost another close game to a 15-4 team on the road without 2 of our players. God, how terrible we must be. I told y'all it's "moral victory" year. You think I was kidding?
This post was edited on 1/28 7:20 PM by ReadR00ster
You must've missed it last night when the commentators talked about all of the high quality sophomores in the conference doing a great job this year that are just getting better
and the sad thing is he didn't mention any South Carolina players in that group.
The LSU one put on a show.
Originally posted by sandlapper59:
Maybe we should make a list of all the guys who post the negative crap and keep it to embarrass you when we start to win. I think that will happen. Team played one of their best games tonight and we have to put up with this whining and moaning. Nobody more disappointed than me how this turned out but your attitude stinks and you know who you are.
His record would be better than Martin's and at least have more than one road win in conference play. Remember when you said Gregg wouldn't do anything at Wichita State and he plays in a crappy league? Yeah, that's a great reminder and quote of yours.Originally posted by pepsicock:
Yea we know . Gregg Marshall would be 19-0 with this team.Originally posted by AgnosticTrollCock:
Incoming wave of Martin fanatics making more excuses.
Originally posted by pepsicock:
Yea we know . Gregg Marshall would be 19-0 with this team.Originally posted by AgnosticTrollCock:
Incoming wave of Martin fanatics making more excuses.
Originally posted by ReadR00ster:
You aren't getting it. I am saying we have a lot of role player players that will never be anything more than role players and to ever have expected more than being role players out of those guys is ridiculous. Our best players have the POTENTIAL to be star players but they are not there yet, and they are still young. They need more experience. Once they get enough, THEN we will start winning more. No body is regressing. The season is a grind, our players and team gets worn down. They still aren't used to the grind.Originally posted by Rollerdude123:
I don't see any star players. I do see role players- yes.
They appear to be regressing some though and that isn't good.
Originally posted by ReadR00ster:
I don't see any bad players, I just see a lot of role players and a few young players with the potential to be stars. We lost another close game to a 15-4 team on the road without 2 of our players. God, how terrible we must be. I told y'all it's "moral victory" year. You think I was kidding?
This post was edited on 1/28 7:20 PM by ReadR00ster
Here is his tough schedule at WS. No wonder he can puff up 20 wins every year .Originally posted by AgnosticTrollCock:
His record would be better than Martin's and at least have more than one road win in conference play. Remember when you said Gregg wouldn't do anything at Wichita State and he plays in a crappy league? Yeah, that's a great reminder and quote of yours.Originally posted by pepsicock:
Yea we know . Gregg Marshall would be 19-0 with this team.Originally posted by AgnosticTrollCock:
Incoming wave of Martin fanatics making more excuses.
Remember that time you polished Marshall's knob, er shoes, at his favorite suit shop in Chucktown?Originally posted by AgnosticTrollCock:
His record would be better than Martin's and at least have more than one road win in conference play. Remember when you said Gregg wouldn't do anything at Wichita State and he plays in a crappy league? Yeah, that's a great reminder and quote of yours.Originally posted by pepsicock:
Yea we know . Gregg Marshall would be 19-0 with this team.Originally posted by AgnosticTrollCock:
Incoming wave of Martin fanatics making more excuses.
Well last year he put up 35 wins, and swept every National Coach of the Year award. It appears that no one in America that has anything to do with college basketball agrees with you.Originally posted by pepsicock:
Here is his tough schedule at WS. No wonder he can puff up 20 wins every year .Originally posted by AgnosticTrollCock:
His record would be better than Martin's and at least have more than one road win in conference play. Remember when you said Gregg wouldn't do anything at Wichita State and he plays in a crappy league? Yeah, that's a great reminder and quote of yours.Originally posted by pepsicock:
Yea we know . Gregg Marshall would be 19-0 with this team.Originally posted by AgnosticTrollCock:
Incoming wave of Martin fanatics making more excuses.
1 Newman
2 Utah
3 St Louis
4 Detroit
5 Loyola Marymount
6 Hawaii
7 George Washington
8 Drake
9 Illinois St
10 Loyola
11 Southern Illinois
12 Evansville
13 Missouri St
14 Illinois St
15 Indiana St