No, everyone in the pros get paid. College OL will notSame dynamic in the pros and some how they make it work.
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No, everyone in the pros get paid. College OL will notSame dynamic in the pros and some how they make it work.
This is a terrible false equivalency. The point he made is not without merit. These students volunteer repeatedly year after year and then some complain of financial abuse. Why volunteer if you know there is abuse? If people are getting stabbed walking into a particular house, you can be certain you'll never catch me walking through the door. For the sake of this discussion, we are assuming the NCAA (and by proxy, its member institutions) is doing everything wrong that is claimed. Why, then would someone walk through the door to play sports for this terrible organization?Your asking the question in that fashion is insulting to athletes and totally ignorant of how systems work!! It is equivalent to asking why do women ask to be raped? Or why did slaves asked to enslaved?
This was my thought. Have two different categories. Let players opt in to receive NIL money at the cost of a scholarship, or opt out to receive the scholarship. That covers everyone. But then people will complain that they want to eat their cake and have it too. Then you have amateur athletes and non-amateur on the same team, and students will REALLY have to be sure their likeness will pay off before accepting the terms. Some will make significantly more than their school loans, and others will be happy to get that scholarship.If this country needs professional college football players, then so be it. But there also needs to be an avenue for college students to participate in the sport as an amateur. I'm thinking on some level between current college football and intramural. I know there would be plenty of students who would love to do that.
Additionally, if they intend to start paying players and allowing them to earn incomes from their NIL, then colleges can do away with the scholarships and room/board. Players can pay for their own tuition like every other student, if that is what they wish to do. It can work both ways.
Good questions.This is a terrible false equivalency. The point he made is not without merit. These students volunteer repeatedly year after year and then some complain of financial abuse. Why volunteer if you know there is abuse? If people are getting stabbed walking into a particular house, you can be certain you'll never catch me walking through the door. For the sake of this discussion, we are assuming the NCAA (and by proxy, its member institutions) is doing everything wrong that is claimed. Why, then would someone walk through the door to play sports for this terrible organization?
Good questions.
you act like student athletes haven’t been fighting legally for expanded rights in the courts for the last 25 years. NCAA is only game in town. They discard their work force every four years. The economic portion of NCAA is a rigged game. Who makes all the rules? Who has their pockets lined with money? Follow the money!!! In spite of all this I love college sports.
But to protect this myth that “amateur” athletics are amateur or pure is willful blindness. It is a commodity/product and college athletes do not have a seat at the table to decide the larger questions.
Does that mean student athletes don’t benefit? Of course not!!! But for what they produce and how much they work, they are underpaid.
The NCAA then tells you and me, Athletes are the problem, they are ruining the sport with their greed. Never mind that we make a billion dollars annually from just B-ball tourney.
You still aren't answering the question. I already stated virtually everything you did. I said let's assume all the student athletes' stances are 100% correct. Why then would they choose to participate in such a broken system unless there was already significant benefit to them? You made a lot of statements, and I don't think any of them adequately answered the question. Let's look at my example again. People going into a certain house are being stabbed. Why then would you choose to walk through that door, and then complain you were stabbed?Good questions.
you act like student athletes haven’t been fighting legally for expanded rights in the courts for the last 25 years. NCAA is only game in town. They discard their work force every four years. The economic portion of NCAA is a rigged game. Who makes all the rules? Who has their pockets lined with money? Follow the money!!! In spite of all this I love college sports.
But to protect this myth that “amateur” athletics are amateur or pure is willful blindness. It is a commodity/product and college athletes do not have a seat at the table to decide the larger questions.
Does that mean student athletes don’t benefit? Of course not!!! But for what they produce and how much they work, they are underpaid.
The NCAA then tells you and me, Athletes are the problem, they are ruining the sport with their greed. Never mind that we make a billion dollars annually from just B-ball tourney.
Not only this, which it’s all true. Most students acquire some sort of internship during college that THEY pay for the opportunity. Football players have the luxury of having their internship in a multi billion dollar industry.Are they underpaid? They are receiving a lot of value from the school on multiple levels. I've said it before, but once you take away the NFL/NBA age restriction - all these issues become moot. Then kids that can play professionally will be able to - those that can't make it can stay in college to get better.
But back to compensation - if you're just talking about the value of scholarships they receive (the kids are compensated very well for the the amount they bring in) - that doesn't take into account room, board, insurance, pell grants (basically every kid gets $5k for nothing), etc.
But let's say they don't care about a degree - what's in it for those kids? Well, how much do you think it would cost a football player to foot the bill for their own training for three years while they wait out the NFL rules? Room, board, personalized weight training, sports performance professionals, nutritionists, the best sports medicine professionals when they get hurt, personal position coaches, training table, live games with other players (because you aren't getting better without playing) - the list of expenses keeps going. And you're talking about over $100,000 a year per kid that they aren't shelling out because they get it all for playing in 12-13 games a year.
I believe that Club teams are the avenue you are addressing. Players have to pay for everything, including equipment, uniforms, etc.If this country needs professional college football players, then so be it. But there also needs to be an avenue for college students to participate in the sport as an amateur. I'm thinking on some level between current college football and intramural. I know there would be plenty of students who would love to do that.
Additionally, if they intend to start paying players and allowing them to earn incomes from their NIL, then colleges can do away with the scholarships and room/board. Players can pay for their own tuition like every other student, if that is what they wish to do. It can work both ways.
Regarding high-level, "minor league" competition, then yes, the NCAA is the only game in townGood questions.
you act like student athletes haven’t been fighting legally for expanded rights in the courts for the last 25 years. NCAA is only game in town. They discard their work force every four years. The economic portion of NCAA is a rigged game. Who makes all the rules? Who has their pockets lined with money? Follow the money!!! In spite of all this I love college sports.
But to protect this myth that “amateur” athletics are amateur or pure is willful blindness. It is a commodity/product and college athletes do not have a seat at the table to decide the larger questions.
Does that mean student athletes don’t benefit? Of course not!!! But for what they produce and how much they work, they are underpaid.
The NCAA then tells you and me, Athletes are the problem, they are ruining the sport with their greed. Never mind that we make a billion dollars annually from just B-ball tourney.
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NCAA and the colleges been financially messing over athletes for decades. But now that they have fought to get a taste, they are suddenly the problem because they might cause dissension in the locker room. SMH
I recall a story about Devin Taylor taking an IT class where part of the work was to ensure that the press box at W-B was fully, properly networked for a game w/ Mizzou. I loved the concept.Not only this, which it’s all true. Most students acquire some sort of internship during college that THEY pay for the opportunity. Football players have the luxury of having their internship in a multi billion dollar industry.
Exactly! And the smart QB, if he wants continued "protection,." will acknowledge that he couldn't do it without the linemen, even though the linemen know that they won't get nearly the accolades as the QB will.Tell the kids with 80k student loan debt the athletes have been getting messed over. What's OOS tuition/room/board now as SC.....47K per year? Playing ball or any sport is tough, and they deserve all they can get. But right now, even the worst scholarship player on any team earns more than a great percentage of Americans.
This is going to be interesting how it plays out, but I think the least of the worries will be how an O lineman feels about his QB or RB getting accolades. It's been that way for years...........QBs/WR/RBs are household names. OL....not so much but they do the grunt work.