Our recruiting has to improve, we have a 6'4 260 O lineman. brad scott days
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Fantastic post. It is sink or swim, I feel like he must win some games this year to even have a chance.
I have no problem with a guy getting an offer who has camped and performed In front of the coaches... regardless of star ratings. I personally think this class is legit, but I'd have to be honest in the fact that I'm bothered by the lack of DE's.
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I think its a numbers thing. We have quite a few DEs on the roster and only 1 will be a senior. If Kinlaw and Sterling are going to be DEs we will have like 8 DEs returning for the 2018 season after Sawyer graduates. The guys we have already need to step up their game.
what recruits are committed that don't have offers from other programs?.Also you are still hung up on ratings...What HBC puts out a rating of recruits? The strength of every program is how well you evaluate the 3 star kids...Every recruit doesn't have to turn out to be great..You have 85 schollies plus walkons...Coaches have to be right about 65-70% of the time...We will not know how well Muschamp and his staff are recruiting until next season..Let the kids play before claiming they are not quality recruits..To judge them now based on guru rankings is just stupid
the pass rush situation is a legit concern...they have missed on some potentially outstanding DE's...But that's due to 7-6, 3-9, 6-7 more than anything else...The losing is a tough sell..I don't care how great you are at recruiting, you have to win to be attractive to the reputed hotshots..This staff is not losing battles for lack of effort..That was not true prior to Muschamps arrival
For the record Nick Saban has put more 3 star kids in the NFL than any other college HBC...Check the facts..Yeah he gets a few 5s and some 4s..But his program is built on evaluating and developing 3s..That's why every 3 star that commits to Saban gets bumped up to 4 by the guru's
that's a very good point...But some of the kids we were first to offer suddenly got a rash of big time D1...Tyler Shough was a 2star when Boom offered...20 offers later he committed to UNC as a 4 star..I could cite 4 other examples just this class alone..But it doesn't fit the narrative and no one wants to hear the truth about the ratings
I agree. I'm truly not worried long term about recruiting. I think we're bringing in solid classes.
it's way to early to suggest otherwise...all this 'sky is falling' 'woe is us' crap is way premature...Just look at the talent he added to the squad last yr...I don't understand why some fans just can let the recruits play a season before the harsh judgements..
I remember the Sadarius Hutcherson commitment, 6-5 230 lbs. lineman commits, same size concerns as some posts here, now he is 6-4 311, and competing for a starting LT spot as a red shirt freshman.
My post then and now is relax the player is still growing at this age.
Now if you have other concerns star rating and talent level, i cant help you I don't know anything about this player, OL film is kind of hard to watch sometimes, and see footwork, and you usually know nothing about the player across from them that they are pushing around, but size changes, kids grow if they have the right frame like Hutcherson.
The rivals camps when the DL vs OL go at it is actually pretty neat, because you can see more natural ability and footwork etc, and you know it's usually quality vs quality, I still hope we get Jovaughn Gwyn for that reason.
My post then and now is relax the player is still growing at this age.
Now if you have other concerns star rating and talent level, i cant help you I don't know anything about this player, OL film is kind of hard to watch sometimes, and see footwork, and you usually know nothing about the player across from them that they are pushing around, but size changes, kids grow if they have the right frame like Hutcherson.
The rivals camps when the DL vs OL go at it is actually pretty neat, because you can see more natural ability and footwork etc, and you know it's usually quality vs quality, I still hope we get Jovaughn Gwyn for that reason.
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USCBatgirl21
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If Mrs. K was still cooking at The Roost, it wouldn't take any time to get him up there.
When he committed on 12/15/2015 the recruiting sites stated he was 230 lbs., and our message board posters went with it and it was a big deal and the sky was falling and Brad Scott was brought up, etc, he was over 250 lbs. at the time of his commitment and when he enrolled at USC 273 lbs. and has gained 40 lbs. since being on campus with a strength staff and filling out.
i actually thing muschamp is doing about par for the course... he is a talented recruiter and so is trob whether u guys wanna admit it or not
just look at that tyler shough qb character from az... first offer from usc then took off like a jailbreaker before landing at unc. therea been other cases like that too (nasirildeen etc)
yall really should relax... dont particularly like muschamp as a coach but saying hes a bad recruiter is quite the stretch
just look at that tyler shough qb character from az... first offer from usc then took off like a jailbreaker before landing at unc. therea been other cases like that too (nasirildeen etc)
yall really should relax... dont particularly like muschamp as a coach but saying hes a bad recruiter is quite the stretch
For the ones so engulfed in the belief of the **** rating system do this. Watch the highlight tape of 3* players and the 4* players and the 5* players and if see if you could tell which is which without knowing. You'd see all of the DB breaking up passes and all the RB looking like H. Walker. Recruiting is about down the road just as much as it is about immediate help. There are just as many 3* recruits now All-Americans in college as 5* high school players. Sure, we want all the premier names we can get but a real coaching staff can transform a players weakness into a plus if he can run and listen.
What school has Muschamp coached at that had minimal talent? He has coached at Texas, Florida, and Auburn for the last decade or so. I am going to go out on a limb and say this is his first time coaching minimal talent!
Is minimal the right word or is young better? We have some pretty good players.
I would say young and probably less talented than what he has had to work with in the past. He has never lacked for talent and depth before. I think the lack of depth is probably the biggest concern for this upcoming season. Even if we get some good play out of our front 7 the lack of depth is going to start eating away at us late in the season. Especially at Linebacker.
I looked at the commitment list and what struck me is that only ONE commit to USC had an offer from Clemson (Joyner).
I haven't looked at Clemson's list to see who offered, but I am taking a wild guess that USC offered quite a few.
I haven't looked at Clemson's list to see who offered, but I am taking a wild guess that USC offered quite a few.
Agree with you Nova. His path here will follow the same one he had at UF. The sad part is that in four years most of those people who support him now will be screaming for his firing. It will be five squandered years.
They did not offer him at QB, but at DB I believe.
Actually, go back the last how many years. I can think of only a handful of players that Varolina signed that Clemson wanted. Will Register, Bailey, Ortre after their other target fell through. Not many, not like it used to be
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I am not sure that Spurriers staff was bad at evaluation as much as they were bad at recruiting. They were so behind that they were bringing in kids that other programs would not touch. At the end a lot of kids with grade issue that were a 50-50 to get into school. Lots of jucos that did not pan out because of a lot of the same issues that made them jucosto begin with.
It was just picking up the pieces of bad recruit to begin with
You are right......we are not recruiting those types right now. To recruit those types it takes years to build relationships. Were in on those kids when they were HS fresh. and soph. I get that everyone wants the program back on top yesterday..but it does not work like that for any program....none. Look at some of the traditional powers that fall....it take time for them too. If you want to pissed off at someone...the ones that deserve your ire is the previous staff. We will get back and it will come within the next few years..but until then we have to beat the bushes..find players that have potential and work to shine them up.
It's real simple. We have to develop the talent that we get, win more than we lose and sell recruits that we are building something here. Muschamp and staff can put in the work but if the kid has a better option then we will lose out unless he wants early playing time or just loves us. Muschamp is known as being a great recruiter when he was representing Florida, Texas, Auburn, etc. Those are power football schools. We ain't that. It takes time.
Yep, best thing we can do at this point is get out there and make Williams Brice an extremely loud and hostile environment for our opponents. Also, we need to show up big time in Charlotte. You guys may laugh, but some of the biggest games we play this year are going to be NC State, Kentucky and Arkansas at home. Those are games that could go either way. Win those games and knock off one of A&M, UGA, UT, Florida or Clemson and we have an 8 win season.
Actually, just beat Clemson. Please.
Actually, just beat Clemson. Please.
We said the same thing with the small DE spurrier was bringing in after Clowney
Are you sure you can provide the food for this growing boy?...lol. You might to back away from the table yourself...take one for the team lawman.
Recruiting is the life of your program and he is taking a lot of maybe's and jucos, Dabo took only 12 his first year and focused on the next making in roads and building relationships. I don't want to be Mississippi st.....his staff was acknowledge as great recruiters. But haven't shown that here.
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When we offered Deebo East Carolina was his only major offer. After he committed to us he jumped to a 3*. After the Shrine Bowl he got several offers. If he would have hit the camps and combine's. He probably would have been a 4*. Don't put all your stock in Stars. Looking at last year's True Freshmen, I think BOOM is a pretty darn good at finding talent.
Deebo was a spurrier recruit and he wound up with a number good offers including Klempsun.
Again...find another recruiting website or learn how to read the one you mentioned.
247 has him with offers from not only East Carolina but also Boston College, Charlotte, Florida Atlantic, Howard, James Madison, Kansas, Liberty, North Carolina State, Old Dominion, Princeton, Syracuse, Toledo, Virginia, Wake Forest and Yale.
Duh, Spurrier JR offered him. He never got a offer from the taters. UNC,NCST and Vandy offered after the Shrine Bowl.The point is he was a 2* when he was offered. Don't put all your stock in Stars. Like I said, "look at Boom' s true freshman from last year". He knows what he is doing.
