From what I heard from Champ's presser yesterday. Reading between the lines, I think that B-Mac will be the OC next year and Shane Beamer will be the 10th coach.
What say you?
What say you?
Pure Speculation
- Thread starter ncgamecock77
- Start date
I do not want Beamer back. Decent recruiter (Devin Taylor comes to mind) but not much of an actual coach. Special teams was average under his watch. Don't care what his last name is.
Just curious, but how were GA's special teams the last two years? I have no idea.
I just did a quick search and read that they have been good and and also read that they have been bad, so I have no idea.
You beat me to it...Don't understand why so many Gamecock fans want Beamer back...Our special teams got better after he left..If this BMac/Beamer theory proves true, it's not a good thing...
BMac might eventually prove to be the best OC in the history of football..Boom cannot take that chance...Why wasn't Bmac more help to Roper? Muschamp must hire a proven guy that will add some different expertise ot the offense
Word on the street is that Roper was a control freak and did not do what Muschamp asked of him which probably also means he did not listen to advice from anybody else.
I agree with you...especially with some of the names popping up. Beamer is liked because of his influence on recruiting as a recruiting coordinator....definitely not as a position coach.
Remember when Shane Beamer got the OC gig at Miss State under Croom? What a joke.
BMac is ranked as the 25th best recruiter in the country according to 247. We need to hang on to him like grim death.
As for Beamer being a recruiting coordinator, didn't I remember Muschamp saying he didn't like anyone else being in charge of recruiting but him? That he was his own RC?
As for Beamer being a recruiting coordinator, didn't I remember Muschamp saying he didn't like anyone else being in charge of recruiting but him? That he was his own RC?
I always felt bad for Croom. Players loved the guy, he seemed real as you can get, he just had some bad teams. Beat Alabama though, gotta give him that.
True. You can argue Beamer was put in a no-win situation with the talent level he was dealt with but it was clear he was not qualified for that position.
There is almost never a good or accurate answer for that question. Special teams are so encompassing. Offense is offense and defense is defense, but special teams have so may different types of plays you really cannot put it into one category like that. You have kicking and punting teams, kick receiving and punt receiving teams, field goal and extra point teams, field goal and extra point defensive teams, Punt block teams, fake punt teams, etc. You also have so many different specialist such as the long snapper, holder for field goals, kick returners, gunners, etc. You really cannot lump all that into one category.
So if you return a kickoff for a TD but allow the opponent to return a punt for a TD, were your "special teams" good, or not? They can be good in some areas and not so good in others.
You would think if that’s true, it must not have been that big of deal to CWM. He’s hired him twice. And to answer questions about UGA’s special team play, they have been very good this year, but have been atrocious several years prior. Hope this helps. Under this scenario would South Carolina offer him a better title and more money? Just curious as what the reasoning would be for him to leave.
Edit: Georgia also had better players playing on ST than years past. Also, I think having Kevin Butler as a GA has helped with the kickers and punters tremendously.
I'm not sure about Beamer other than maybe past familiarity. Whoever is special teams coach needs to work on our snapping for placekicks, speaking of atrocious.
I didn't say that. I just said it is harder to determine whether "special teams" are successful or not simply because there are so many pieces to it.
You can still identify critical flaws in bad ST coaching and Hutzler's units from UF, to BC to SC have had identifiable flaws that lost games.
That was the spin from the 107.5 guys after they learned Roper was getting the axe, but never before. I wonder how much of that is true and how much is spin designed to distance Coach BOOM! from the stink of Roper's offense.
I don't live in Cola. I have heard it from other sources, as well, that Muschamp asked Roper to open things up, but it never happened. I have also heard it said that Muschamp was the one who told him to open it up in the second half of our bowl game last year. Who knows?
I would not be a bit surprised if Beamer is back. He tried to come back here when his father retired at VT. Also I believe his wife's family is here.
On the locked on the gamecocks podcast that's what Keith and JC said that he was supposed to run an Auburn style offense but didn't and would run the Cutcliffe crap and wouldn't listen to any of the offensive staff and wanted to be more complicated then was necessary.
"Cutcliffe crap"? Okaaay? But that "crap" has been successful a lot longer than a lot of this new stuff.
Did he coach field goal snap and holding?
Did he coach punt return coverage?
I truly have no clue but we had major failures in those.
I don't recall a lot of bad snaps, nor do I recall many punts returned for TDs. If there had been a lot of breakdowns on coverage, I would say of course that has to do with coaching as well as effort on the part of the players. Snapping and holding are technical skills that are practiced over and over. When there is an error in those it is generally a matter of the players just not executing what they have been drilled on over and over. I wouldn't attribute that to coaching unless it was a pervasive problem.
Do you attribute the 2 long TD KO returns by Deebo to coaching? Or is more due to Deebo's skill and talent as a kick returner?
+
First year they weren't good, but improved a good bit in 17, at least the coverage part was but that had more to do with the kicker kicking most of the kickoffs too deep to return and getting a grad transfer punter who was pretty good.. Return game was average. As a recruiter he really hasn't done much, but he was main recruiter on Luke Ford this cycle, not really sure any of the other recruits would know him, never mention him. But he is Kirby and Champ's buddy, we had our turn with him, next 2 years he can be yours. Not sure if its true or not, but read somewhere his dad retired on Lake Oconee a little southeast of Athens.
In 2 years we signed 1 kid from Illinois that he was lead recruiter on, had another commit from Virginia who decommitted 10 days before early signing day. As best I can tell he is weakest recruiter on the offensive side of the ball by a good bit. But McGee and Pittman were 1 and 2 in the country according to 247 and Coley has some south Fl connections that pulled 3-4 kids, and maybe 1 more..so it may just be preception that he is a so so recruiter.
Recruiting rankings for coaches are skewed at best. Wasn’t Bmac named the top recruiter in the country by 247 while he was at uga in 2014? Now he’s 25th at Carolina? What happened? Now all of a sudden McGee and Pittman found the secret formula that McClendon used to use while at uga and forgot when he arrived in Columbia?There’s a ton of factors that go into getting the top players in the country to sign that are often just a result of the school they are recruiting for and not screwing it up.
Could have been, he brought Gurley and Marshall to UGA, Chubb and Michel he was a good recruiter for us, but he was never the lead recruiter on 3 5* from 3 different states, Bmac never approached those results, Richt recruiting never had any success recruiting the OL, the last 2 cycles have been good for us alone the OL, everyone of them credited Pittman as the main reason for picking us.
Bmac is a good guy,I am glad Champ thinks enough of him to consider him for OC, but it's a bit risky/
One of the snaps that attributed to a Parker White miss was really bad. The setter was adjusting the ball and jiggling it all the way until Parker's foot made contact. Never heard an alibi, just another miss.
Overall, I thought the ST were better than the last few. Ace was dynamic on punts and we had a more consistent FG kicker, but we were dynamic on KR until Deebo went down, kickoffs were about as good as you could get, and while bad, I thought White improved towards the end on FGs. My biggest issue was with punts...just simply the decisions made by the returner.
The fact Muschamp is bringing in a special teams coach says it all.
I would take Beamer in a heartbeat for his recruiting as long as he's a position coach in defense under CWM. The boy works his azz off in recruiting and still has a lot of ties to SC schools.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...247sports-class-of-2014-recruiter-of-the-year
Bmac landed three 5stars, four 4stars, and three 3stars his last year with y’all according to this article. Pittman do that?
